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Onmilo
October 17, 2006, 12:56 PM
And yes my point will be firearm related,
I had a conversation with an aquaintance who is employed as a death investigator.
A person dies in this country on average of once every 13 seconds, 24-7, every year.
That figure translates to 2,358,720 every year. Lot of folks pass, yes?
Let's round that to 2,600,000

Of those people, 350,000 are victims of vehicular accident.
50,000 TOTAL are victims of Homicide.
20,000 of this 50,000 are victims of FIREARM Homicide.
13,000 folks commit suicide.
That leaves 2,187,000 passing from all the mundane things that get most of us in the end.

So, What are your chances,,,,,

1 in 1 you will die at some point in your life. If you die in any given year,
There is a 1 in 200 chance you will commit suicide.
There is a 1 in 118 chance you will die from homicide by firearm.
There is a 1 in 87 chance you will die a victim of homicide of any form.
There is a 1 in 7.5 chance you will die in a vehicle accident.
There is a 1 in 1.2 chance you will die from natural causes, a home accident, or an accident at work.

There now doesn't everyone feel better knowing your chances of being murdered are very slim and better informed that you really need to start using that seatbelt and skipping work more often!

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strambo
October 17, 2006, 01:52 PM
There is a 1 in 1.2 chance you will die from natural causes, a home accident, or an accident at work.This and maybe the suicide one are off though for chances "every year". They must be age adjusted. Home, work accidents are extremely rare. That leaves natural causes...my chances at a fit 32yo can't be 1/1.2 that it will be a natural cause that kills me if I die this year:scrutiny: If it is, all I have to say to the insurgents is good luck suckers...the odds are way against ya...If I die this year it's gonna be from heart disease!:neener: No 70 virginians for you. :D

For younger people, the odds of dying from all the other reasons are probably higher, with natural causes being lower. The older you get, the higher the "natural causes" reason will get. I never took stastitics though, I'm sure we'll get an in depth eduction from another member soon.:D

El Tejon
October 17, 2006, 01:56 PM
What if we skip work and . . . go to the range?:neener:

mpmarty
October 17, 2006, 02:10 PM
I think your firearms related deaths are somewhat skewed. You list them as "homicides". Does this include legal shootings? Accidental shootings? Ya know, when a bank robber is shot his five accomplises are charges with murder due to the death during the comission of a felony and these five charges are listed as firearm "murders" by the bradyites. think about it.

Vitamin G
October 17, 2006, 02:20 PM
That figure translates to 2,358,720 every year. Lot of folks pass, yes?
Let's round that to 2,600,000


Just out of curiousity... Why not round 2,358,720 to 2,400,000?

Lou629
October 17, 2006, 02:27 PM
No offense, but could you cite a source for that one? The number seems a bit high, on the order of about seven times higher than the largest numbers I've ever heard for traffic deaths, nationwide, in a year.

hankdatank1362
October 17, 2006, 02:38 PM
HAHAHAHA!

Your really should have known better than to post any kind of numerical research. Some people in this gun forum spend more time debunking facts and figures than they do shooting!

das028
October 17, 2006, 02:58 PM
"Just out of curiousity... Why not round 2,358,720 to 2,400,000?"



Thats what I was thinking too.:confused:

Standing Wolf
October 17, 2006, 03:18 PM
What if we skip work and . . . go to the range?

You'll be happier, live longer, and enjoy greatly reduced chances of dying of cancer, heart attack, or drowning.

SoCalShooter
October 17, 2006, 03:26 PM
I agree...lets skip work and go to the range considering that work is apparently more dangerous.

El Tejon
October 17, 2006, 03:29 PM
Reduced chance of drowning? You haven't been to my range, Standing Volk!:D That river clays gets wet and sucks you right in.:evil:

Onmilo
October 17, 2006, 09:17 PM
I myself have never been a fan of figures and statistic either.
The post was tongue in cheek.
Some get it, some don't.

You can obtain traffic fatality rates from the National Traffic Safety Board.
350,000 is an average figure.
Some years it is lower, some years have been higher.

As for me, tomarrow I'm skipping work, Buckling up, and going shooting!

Tom Bri
October 17, 2006, 09:31 PM
These numbers all seem pretty skewed. Traffic deaths are around 40,000 I believe. Murders are in the 13-14,000 range these days.

dfaugh
October 18, 2006, 09:17 AM
Don't ask me what it is, math and statistics were never one of my strong points.

But according to this, for example, any given person has a 1 in 7 or 1 in 8 chance of dying in an MVA....But, I'm 51 years old, so the numbers of people I've known (friends, relatives, co-workers) runs into the few hundreds. And, of all those, only 1 dies in an MVA (and that was a snowmobile, not a car).

Similarly, only one has died by homicide (non-firearm), and none killed by firearms.

So I'm a bit confused about the calculations...(Not disputing them, just wondering how they were arrived at.) I mean, according to this, deaths by anything but "natural causes" should be way higher among the people I know/have known.

gwine
October 18, 2006, 10:33 AM
From this article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/22/AR2006082201152.html) in the Washington Post, citing the NHTSA.
A total of 43,443 people died in traffic accidents last year, up 1.4 percent from the previous year, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said. The agency said the motorcycle death toll rose for the eighth consecutive year. Last year, 4,553 motorcyclists died on the roadways, up 13 percent from the previous year. The agency said 4,881 pedestrians were killed last year, up 4.4 percent.

Meaning that 1 out of 54 people who died last year died in a vehicle accident, not 1 in 7.5. Remember, past performance is no guarantee of future performance. Your mileage this year may vary.

Lou629
October 18, 2006, 10:42 AM
You can obtain traffic fatality rates from the National Traffic Safety Board. 350,000 is an average figure.
^^^^ Not by a long shot, not even close. I don't know how you come up with this number, but it's outrageously over the top. 35 thousand would be closer to accurate, not three hundred and fifty thousand. See below:

Some years it is lower, some years have been higher

^^^^ That is Bravo Sierra, same as the 350K figure was.



[QUOTE]From this article in the Washington Post, citing the NHTSA.
Quote:
A total of 43,443 people died in traffic accidents last year. [/QUOTE

^^^^ This is much closer to the REAL average yearly number.


I know this ain't gun related, and i'm not trying to start some flaming war here, but i see all too many 'facts' or 'statistics' posted in these threads that have no basis in reality.

duckandcover
October 18, 2006, 11:03 AM
It's already been pointed out but something is definitely wrong with your numbers.

Aproximately 17,000 people are murdered every year in the U.S. About 11,000 are murdered with a firearm. About 31000 people commit suicide every year of which about 17000 use a firearm.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_10.pdf
(Page 35)

That is a really good publication because it looks at multiple forms of injury deaths and breaks down everything among age groups. It's from 2002 because that's the latest year they have "Final Statistics". There are preliminary statistics for 2003 and more recent if you dig around the CDC website. Check out the number of child deaths (14yrs old and younger) due to drowning. I say we ban assault swimming pools and require licensing and certification (prove you can swim) before you can own a swimming pool or be around any body of water. It's for the children.

Other publications:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_19.pdf
(Page 19)

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/violent_crime/murder_homicide.html

cyco668
October 18, 2006, 08:26 PM
" Think about this:

a. The number of physicians in the US is 700,000.
b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000.
c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US Dept. of Health & Human Services)

Then think about this:

a. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000.
b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand. As a public health measure I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical attention. "

I don't know the source of the figures. i just copy and pasted. Don't ask me to explain these stats. I just thought it was a funny email.

Onmilo
October 19, 2006, 08:38 AM
:)

Biker
October 19, 2006, 08:45 AM
Hmmm...I read somewhere that most people die at home. I'm moving!

Biker:uhoh:

Zen21Tao
October 19, 2006, 10:01 AM
What if we skip work and . . . go to the range? :neener:

You'll be happier, live longer, and enjoy greatly reduced chances of dying of cancer, heart attack, or drowning.
That or you die in an auto crash on the way to, or from, the range. :neener:

Warhorse
October 19, 2006, 11:35 AM
Most sets of statistics, like this one, remind me strongly of the classic definition of the three basic types of lies: Lies, Damn lies, and Statistics! :neener: :neener:

In other words, statistics can be presented in so many different ways that it is difficult to tell if there is any actual veracity in the presentation. This is even if the numbers are actually derived from a valid source with non-skewed or biased questions used to obtain them. Just because it's in print doesn't make it so. :scrutiny:

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