[Sry0fcr]

I'm looking for a carry gun but I detest DA guns. I was pretty well set on getting another XD but I'd like to keep an open mind perhaps there's something out there that I missed? All I can come up with off the top of my head is a 1911 in 9mil or BHP. After looking around a bit I'm giving the FM Detective a hard look... Price point is sub $500.

[Phil DeGraves]

"All I can come up with off the top of my head is a 1911 in 9mil or BHP."

And what's wrong with that?

[Mark54g]

On the large side, you could look at a CZ 75 SA. The 75Bs can be carried C&L if you desire, so all actual shots are SA. They make a compact version with safety for C&L. The PCR and P-01 are lighter but decock only.

[Biff]

CZ-75 is a DA, but gives you the option to carry it cocked and locked like a conventional SA.

But, there ain't a thing wrong with a Hi-Power!:)

[Sry0fcr]

And what's wrong with that?

Absolutely nothing, I'm actually a fan of them both. Just wondering what else was out there. I suppose a SA/DA gun could work as well, I'm just not a fan of decockers.

[LanEvo`]

...perhaps there's something out there that I missed? All I can come up with off the top of my head is a 1911 in 9mil or BHP.I seem to remember Sig now offers some models in SA. Not sure if there's a 9mm in the mix. As others have said, take a look at CZ. Even though they're "technically" DA autos, most people will treat them as SA. They don't have decockers (so not really safe to lower the hammer anyway) and they have the same manual of arms as JMB designs (thumb safety down to fire, etc.).

[hnk45acp]

HK USP variant 1s are SA if carried C&L
Browning HPs

[Odd Job]

The Vektor CP1 is SA only, but it has a very nasty trigger. I would go so far as to say it is almost as bad as a crossbow trigger. I wonder if there are other SAO guns with bad triggers.

[ugaarguy]

Outside of the BHP and 1911, the HK USP and USPc variant 9 is SA only, no decocker provision, but the the variant 1 is much easier to find. You should be able to find a nice used one in the $500 range.

The CZ 75 B SA is an SA only version that is also available. I'm not big on lowering the hammer by hand on a loaded chamber, but you could get a standard CZ 75 B, 75 Compact, or 2075 Rami, use the safety, and just ignore the DA capability.

Taurus also makes makes with several models that can either lock a cocked hammer, or decock it using the same lever, much like the USP V1.

[bb21]

The FNP-9 seems to be very well built and very similar to the BHP. I think the price is under the $500 mark too. I have heard good things and FN is a reputable manufacture, along with the CZ-75 you could check out some of the clones, EA Witness and the Baby Eagle.

[Phil DeGraves]

As Mark said, but it seems everybody missed, CZ does make a SA version of the 75. And it is terrific.

[Phil DeGraves]

Along this same line, does anyone know if Smith is going to offer their 1911 in 9mm?

[GHF]

Can be carried with with the open hammer cocked and the safety on i.e. locked.

[jaydubya]

If you can find an FN/Browning Hi Power SFS, buy it. I converted my old T-series HP with the Cylinder&Slide SFS kit, and I love it. I load the pistol the usual way. To render it safe, I simply push the hammer in with my thumb, and watch the lever that looks like a safety flip up into what looks like "safe" on a normal Hi Power. I arm it exactly the same way I would a normal Hi Power: as I raise the pistol, my thumb sweeps down the lever that looks like a safety, and the hammer cocks. An FN/Browning SFS is safer than any single action pistol carried in Condition One, yet acts exactly like one. Every shot is true single action.
Cordially,
Jack

[Marshall]

Sry,

Boy, you can't go wrong with a nice 1911, Browning/FN Hi Power or CZ-75SA when looking for a 9mm. I would stop while you're a head and pick from those three. :)

[Phil DeGraves]

I have an FN HP in 40 S&W with the SFS system. It took a little getting used to, but I like it a lot. It is a great shooting gun, too.
As far as SA 9s go, there's the LAHTI, Luger, Polish Radom, Star B and BM, Astra 600, Beretta Brigadier (I think it's the 951), Tokarev, Llama (which I would not recommend), Mauser Broomhandle, I think the CZ52 was available in 9mm. I'm sure there are others that I'll think of as soon as I post this.

[Sry0fcr]

Sry,

Boy, you can't go wrong with a nice 1911, Browning/FN Hi Power or CZ-75SA when looking for a 9mm. I would stop while you're a head and pick from those three.

Touche`. I think I'll pick up that FM Detective...

[railroader]

One thing you should know about the FM detective. They use a different recoil spring set up than a regular hipower. It is a spring within another spring. Getting the correct replacement might be a problem when it comes time to change springs. You might want to research it prior to buying the pistol. I owned 2 FM hipowers and a cz75b. I think the cz is a better gun. If you want a good price on the detective: http://www.gunparts.citymax.com/page/page/778787.htm Mark

[Marshall]

Quote:
Sry,

Boy, you can't go wrong with a nice 1911, Browning/FN Hi Power or CZ-75SA when looking for a 9mm. I would stop while you're a head and pick from those three.


Touché`. I think I'll pick up that FM Detective...


Sry,

Just for clarification, the FM wasn't really one of the three I was referring to. But if that is the one you want, go get her. :)

[dracphelan]

You can also find surplus Star B and BM 9mm pistols. I love my Star BM and want another.

[falling leaves]

The FM Detective is a good pistol IMO. I can't remember where I saw it, but the recoil springs can be replaced with a 20# unit for a CZ 75 compact (2016). I haven't tried this yet though, so I'm not sure if it works. It may have been Mr. Camp's webpage (http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com), which is well worth a couple hours if you are thinking of getting a hi-power or clone.

I bought mine from Sarco (http://www.sarcoinc.com/fm-hipower1-new.html) and was very pleased with the speed of service. However, the front sight is staked, not dove-tailed as they advertize, which makes adding night sights a bit more complicated. Also, if you are going to remove the magazine disconnect you or your smith may need a press - mine would not come out with a drift and hammer.

[JoeHatley]

Where are all the SA 9mm autos?

They are around, but your price point may get stained a bit...

http://www.iowatelecom.net/~hatley/952_r.jpg

Joe

[taliv]

don't forget the Steyr M9 and S9. they're genuine SA guns, VERY ergonomic (they're the ones with the 111 degree grip angle), and function well enough that i bought two.

[outofbattery]

What about tracking down a Star Firestar or Firestar Plus?

[TC-TX]

Don't forget the New Springer EMP!

It is quite a remarkable newcomer!

http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/pistols/emp/Large/EMPright.gif

[Cocked & Locked]

You can also find surplus Star B and BM 9mm pistols. I love my Star BM and want another.

yep...they ain't bad!
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL523/3082611/6263277/193410158.jpg

[Candiru]

I own an FM Detective. The model I got came from Sarco and features a
dovetailed front sight. For replacement springs, I use Wolff CZ-75C
recoil springs (same as Wolff's EAA Witness Compact 9mm springs) at the
18-pound weight, which feels almost identical to the dual recoil springs
that came with the gun. I tried using the 20-pounders, but they turned
out to be a little rough on the rear side of the camming lug. The
weight of the spring has little to do with the amount of wear the gun
sustains during recoil, and a lot to do with how much damage it takes
slamming back into battery.

There have been reports of premature wear on FM Hi-Powers, especially in
the barrel locking lugs. Mine show some set where they engage in places
without heat treatment, but have been holding steady since the first 200
rounds or so. Other reports claim that short-slide Hi-Powers wear out
their springs prematurely, but reports from a guy I know who owns one
state that he's on 600+ rounds using the same spring without ill
effects.

I was surprised that my FM Detective exhibited recoil and accuracy
almost identical to Hi-Powers not featuring an inch chopped off the
barrel and slide. It's a nice gun, provided you take care of it
correctly.

Hope that helps inform your decision.

[Pilot]

Browning Hi Power, CZ-75SA or HK P7M8 and P7 PSP. Yes the HK is SA!