Prof makes shopping list in case of "Speaker Pelosi"


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hillbilly
October 18, 2006, 02:07 PM
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MikeSAdams/2006/10/18/preparing_for_pelosi


Recently, someone asked me whether the prospect of a Democratic takeover of the House of Representatives would affect my future firearms purchases. The answer is an emphatic “yes.” Although it won’t affect the number of unnecessary gun purchases I make – that number will remain ridiculously high – it will affect the types of guns I buy.

Before the recent poll numbers indicating a possible change in leadership - in both the House and Senate - I was focusing strictly on gun purchases designed to improve my versatility as a hunter. Since people often call from around the country to invite me hunting I always have to be prepared to take anything from the smallest squirrel to the largest grizzly bear. Now, I’m thinking a lot more about tactical and self-defense models.



House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is swarmed by reporters after discussing Medicare and prescription drugs at the Sunrise Senior Center, Tuesday, Oct. 3, 2006, in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. (AP Photo/Steve Mitchell) To be sure, Pelosi would love to see something like the Clinton “assault rifle ban” of 1994 put into place early in her tenure as Speaker Pelosi. (It really hurts to write those last two words!). But in order for that to happen, two things will need to take place. She’ll need a Democratic Senate majority and a Democratic President. Needless to say, both of those things cannot happen for over two more years.

So I’m preparing now for a worst-case scenario by setting aside about five thousand dollars to be spent on weapons and accessories that may well be targeted by future Democratic leaders. There’s a strong possibility that all of those funds will be spent on products made by the fine folks at Springfield Armory.

First and foremost, I plan to stock up on 13-round magazines for my main home and car defense weapon – the .45 ACP XD by Springfield. These magazines will be almost as rare as a feminist orgasm if the Democrats take over. After that issue is resolved, the fun will really begin with my next rifle purchase. It will be an easy choice, given what I’ve heard about the Loaded Standard M1A Rifle.

This gun fires the highly accurate and powerful .308 Winchester round. It comes equipped with a ten-round detachable magazine but don’t even think about buying this gun without getting a few 20-round pre-ban magazines, too. This is really the ultimate survival gun for those who refuse to relinquish responsibility for their safety to the local, state, and federal government.

After I break in my new M1A Rifle, I plan to expand my collection of .45 ACPs with a 1911-A1 Micro Compact by Springfield. Needless to say, this light and compact weapon is the ultimate gun for those with concealed carry permits. The fact that it comes direct from the factory with Novak night sights is also a real plus. If you are stranded by the side of the road with this gun in your pocket no one will know you have it until it’s too late. The combination of the night sights and the .45 ACP power will be too much for almost any predator.

Make absolutely certain you purchase this gun with the optional light rail (XML min-light included) for an extra $66. This is the kind of option that will likely come under fire if the Democrats take over.

Finally, I want to top off this round of new additions by adding a new 1911 Lightweight Operator in .45 ACP. The gun - in addition to being absolutely gorgeous – is equipped with a light rail, which will allow you to use your XML mini-light on more than one firearm. The five-inch barrel will make the Operator my most accurate .45 ACP and should replace the XD as the home defense weapon (and relegate the latter to full-time car duty). This gun, also equipped with factory Novak night sights, has an MSRP of $1253.

Getting started on this new spending spree may be the only positive thing about a potential Democratic Congressional takeover. For those who noticed, I’ve still got a budget of over $500 after adding these three news gems. The balance of course, will have to go towards a new gun safe. The Adams office is getting a little cluttered these days.

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wdlsguy
October 18, 2006, 02:11 PM
Pelosi would love to see something like the Clinton “assault rifle ban” of 1994 put into place early in her tenure as Speaker Pelosi. (It really hurts to write those last two words!). But in order for that to happen, two things will need to take place. She’ll need a Democratic Senate majority and a Democratic President.
Hasn't President Bush said repeatedly that he would sign an AWB renewal?

Manedwolf
October 18, 2006, 02:19 PM
Hasn't President Bush said repeatedly that he would sign an AWB renewal?

Yes, he has.

But based on this first post...hey, any shop owners on here, send out a scare notice to all your customers like this, get them to buy out your entire inventory in a blaze of profits right before the election! Panic sale! Panic sale! :)

Seriously. I don't see anything overly significant happening. Especially if we just get the congressional gridlock we need.

Technosavant
October 18, 2006, 02:36 PM
Anybody else notice that he sure likes Springfield Armory?

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Bruce H
October 18, 2006, 02:38 PM
It isn't Speaker Pelosi that worries me. It's the impeachment of GW and removal from office. This will be closely followed by the impeachment of Cheeny and removal from office. Hello president Pelosi. By the book and all legal. :what: Call me a moonbat if you will but considering all options doesn't hurt.

wdlsguy
October 18, 2006, 02:48 PM
If Bush were impeached, Cheney would become President. Cheney would then appoint a new Vice President. I don't think we need to worry about a President Pelosi :barf: before 2008.

ceetee
October 18, 2006, 02:55 PM
Geeze... "Vice-President Rumsfield"...


I just got a shiver...

Bruce H
October 18, 2006, 03:13 PM
Cheeny could appoint all he wanted. If the senate didn't confirm before Cheenys removal what happens?

wdlsguy
October 18, 2006, 03:23 PM
You would get the Speaker of the House (presumably Pelosi). I suspect you'd also get some rioting.

buzz_knox
October 18, 2006, 03:26 PM
Hasn't President Bush said repeatedly that he would sign an AWB renewal?

He was given the opportunity to do so when the Dems attached an AWB renewal provison to the first manufacturers' liability protection act. The White House announced it did not want the provision on that bill.

If Bush intended to sign a renewal, it passed up a golden opportunity to do so.

Malone LaVeigh
October 18, 2006, 03:36 PM
Does this bozo really think the M1A is on anyone's radar for a ban? And the 1911s he listed? I can see a case for the hi-cap XD mags, but this person clearly doesn't have a clue.

I suspect it's either another Repub hack rallying the bubbas or someone with stock in Springfield.

Justin
October 18, 2006, 03:42 PM
So far as I know, Springfield isn't publically traded.

Geronimo45
October 18, 2006, 03:46 PM
"If the senate didn't confirm before Cheenys removal what happens?"
Cheney goes into the Capitol with his shotgun and suggests that they confirm who he likes. :cool:

dasmi
October 18, 2006, 03:47 PM
Does this bozo really think the M1A is on anyone's radar for a ban? And the 1911s he listed? I can see a case for the hi-cap XD mags, but this person clearly doesn't have a clue.
Yes, I do. All guns are on the radar. That is the goal.

StopTheGrays
October 18, 2006, 03:53 PM
Does this bozo really think the M1A is on anyone's radar for a ban? And the 1911s he listed? I can see a case for the hi-cap XD mags, but this person clearly doesn't have a clue.
Why wouldn't the M1A be. It is a Semi-auto that is mag fed. Used by the military and some law enforcement. Shoots a "high powered" round. Other than being made in the USA this description is no different than my FAL that has USA made parts to comply with Federal law.

I doubt there will be any Ruger-esque deals or "loop holes" the next time a Assault Weapons ban is passed. So it is not hard to see what could happen.

Malone LaVeigh
October 18, 2006, 04:15 PM
So far as I know, Springfield isn't publically traded.

I guess that answers that.

orangelo
October 18, 2006, 04:34 PM
Does this bozo really think the M1A is on anyone's radar for a ban

In standard form it is already banned in **********. They can't get one with the regular flash suppressor.

Lemon328i
October 18, 2006, 05:04 PM
Does this bozo really think the M1A is on anyone's radar for a ban? And the 1911s he listed? I can see a case for the hi-cap XD mags, but this person clearly doesn't have a clue.

I suspect it's either another Repub hack rallying the bubbas or someone with stock in Springfield.

Every firearm is on the radar for banning for the anti-gun rights folks. Here in MD, Ceasefire put out a "report" that the AR-15, M1 Carbine, SKS and Mini-14 ought to be banned. If they are successful (which they will be if O'Malley is elected) the M1A (along with any other semi-auto rifle) won't be far behind. Then they'll work extra hard to ban handguns, which they came too close to with their "integrated lock" crap.

Never forget that the anti's want ALL guns, taking them incrementally model by model is perfectly fine by them. Nothing is safe: semi-auto rifle = assault weapon, bolt action = sniper gun, shotgun = destructive device, etc.

MechAg94
October 18, 2006, 06:02 PM
Does the VP appointment have to be confirmed?

The House can impeach all it wants, but the Senate would still have to actually kick the President out. The Senate has to impeach by a 2/3's majority. I doubt they will get that in the next 2 years if ever.

Personally, I would buy AK stuff or any other imported weapon or imported magazine (Saiga owners). I think imports of guns or ammo would be the first target. High Cap. magazines would be the next buy.

jfh
October 18, 2006, 06:08 PM
Doesn't anyone else remember "The Camel's nose is under the tent?"

That came out of, IIRC, Howard Metzenbaum (Ohio)--or was it Drengel(sp?) (MI), right after sick Willy and the rest got the '94 AWB passed.

Anyone who trusts the Democrat Party on NOT trying to placate their antigun nut-wing has lost sight of the Party Platform.

txgho1911
October 18, 2006, 07:41 PM
With clinton associates who fell ill or died do you realy think Cheney would have any time to appoint?
What you will have may be a Fed version of the SF CA handgun ban.

bogie
October 18, 2006, 07:51 PM
Hasn't President Bush said repeatedly that he would sign an AWB renewal?

Well, golly... I guess that's reason to vote for a Democrat, or at any rate, against a Republican... Yup, uh huh...

Okay. You can go back to Democratic Underground now.

Bush said that he'd sign the AWB when he KNEW that it'd never make it to his desk. And he worked to make sure that it wouldn't make it to his desk.

Now, git!

zoom6zoom
October 18, 2006, 08:06 PM
Does this bozo really think the M1A is on anyone's radar for a ban?


If they get what they really want, we'd be lucky to have muzzleloaders.

buzz_knox
October 18, 2006, 08:28 PM
If they get what they really want, we'd be lucky to have muzzleloaders.

But you need loose powder to make those work, and as everyone knows, that kind of powder is the perfect thing for terrorists.

As for the M1A, it's been specifically named in various bans and ban proposals.

BigFatKen
October 19, 2006, 10:37 AM
Malone LaVeigh: Senior Member
Does this bozo really think the M1A is on anyone's radar for a ban? And the 1911s he listed? I can see a case for the hi-cap XD mags, but this person clearly doesn't have a clue.

I suspect it's either another Repub hack rallying the bubbas or someone with stock in Springfield.


Justin: Moderator
So far as I know, Springfield isn't publically traded.

Malone LaVeigh Senior Member (answering to stock)
I guess that answers that.

Therefore: Since he has no stock, the member is a bozo and is another Repub hack.

Malone LaVeigh
October 19, 2006, 01:12 PM
Who said anything about a member?

I was just pointing out that the "Prof" doesn't seem to have much of a handle on gun issues if he thinks the M1A and 1911 are high on a wish list for banning by anyone. Either that or he already has a garage full of semi-auto rifles and hi-cap pistols and just hasn't gotten around to a rifle that hasn't even been banned in California.

My judgement of "partisan hack" stands.

buzz_knox
October 19, 2006, 01:17 PM
was just pointing out that the "Prof" doesn't seem to have much of a handle on gun issues if he thinks the M1A and 1911 are high on a wish list for banning by anyone. Either that or he already has a garage full of semi-auto rifles and hi-cap pistols and just hasn't gotten around to a rifle that hasn't even been banned in California.

In its "standard" configuration, the M1A was banned in California. If he wants one he can convert to a folding stock configuration, he would have to get one now in preparation for another assault weapons ban (which prohibited modifying the M1A in this manner). Its magainzes were certainly banned, both under the AWB and the California bans. Further, 1911s not approved by the California "safety tests" have been banned as well. And the standard mags 7-8 rounds of the 1911 were considered for inclusion as high capacity feed devices under AWB II that the Dems were wanting. And both the M1A and the 1911 would be prohibited under the proposals to ban military style weapons that have been floated by the Dems.

By the way, all semiautos are "high on the wish list" for banning. Look at what they tried to do before, what they accomplished, and the statements about taking them all away if they could. Arguing that these weapons aren't on the future ban list is sort of reaching in the face of the clear evidence to the contrary.

Correia
October 19, 2006, 01:21 PM
Malone, do you ever, I mean, like in the entire history of this board, in all of your thousands of posts, have a single post that isn't negative?

Just curious is all. :)

I bet you're a lot of fun at parties.

Master Blaster
October 19, 2006, 01:24 PM
Unfortunately the next ban will take all semi auto rifles away for sure.

The 10/22 was even named in the ban proposed in 2003, cause it can take a hicap magazine.

Malone LaVeigh
October 19, 2006, 01:31 PM
Just curious is all.

Oh, you could probably find a few. I just find posts that ammount to "+1" to be pretty boring.

BTW, for the record, I used to play the same role on a very liberal forum where I argued just as strongly against Clinton, later Gore, and the political hackery that went along with them, also.

But I'll bow on the technical aspects of this one.

johnster999
October 19, 2006, 06:17 PM
So far it's clear that:

1. The sitting President has said he would sign an AWB.

2. The current GOP controlled congress has never sent him an AWB that he signed during all their years of control.

3. The leadership and most of the rank and file Democrats in the congress have stated repeatedly that they favor sending the president gun control/AWB bills to sign.

4. Thus, should the Democrats in both houses gain the majority, it's quite reasonable to believe that congress is far more likely to send an AWB to the president to be signed into law.

5. The prof in the original post is definitely NOT a bozo just for thinking the M1A type could be a target of an AWB proposal. It has clearly been targeted in similar proposals.

To conclude otherwise seems to defy logic.

Barn Dog
October 19, 2006, 07:28 PM
M. Laveigh, have you even read any columns by Mike Adams? Your judgement of the man is seriously flawed.

Leanwolf
October 19, 2006, 07:37 PM
I don't know why you people think the Democrats want to ban all guns? That's just absurd!

1. They don't want to ban the guns of the extreme left wing MegaMillionaire Marxists and Billioniare Bolsheviks.

2. They don't want to ban the firearms of the extremely well armed, very expensive bodyguards of the mega-rich elitists and famous Hollywood left wing celebrities.

3. They don't want to ban the firearms of the Federal cops who protect the Democrat politicians. (Republican politicians need not apply.)

4. They don't want to ban the firearms of the Police & Military who'll be used to confiscate the firearms of 80,000,000 worker peasants.

5. They don't want to ban the guns of criminals because criminals need them to make a living.

No. The Democrats only want to ban the guns of all the filthy worker peasants. :uhoh:

L.W.

Malone LaVeigh
October 19, 2006, 07:40 PM
M. Laveigh, have you even read any columns by Mike Adams?

Not until today. Just to be certain I wasn't judging him on one bad column, I went to the linked site and looked at a few columns. He seems to be a pretty straight, party-line commenter to me, though he seems to obsess mostly on race. But I do not object to any of that. I object to his feeding the pre-election hysteria being aimed at gun owners. I feel sorry for anyone that can't see that they're being taken for a fool.

highlander 5
October 19, 2006, 08:00 PM
gentleman IF Pres Bush and VP Cheney were to be incapacited
Sec of State Rice is next in line NOT Nancy Pelosi. She is next in line after Rice I believe so don't panic yet

Joe Demko
October 19, 2006, 08:08 PM
Malone's dead-nuts right. This guy is doing no more than trying to whip gun owners into a "vote R" frenzy. If you can't see for yourself that you're being played, there's nothing to discuss.

Frog48
October 19, 2006, 08:22 PM
gentleman IF Pres Bush and VP Cheney were to be incapacited
Sec of State Rice is next in line NOT Nancy Pelosi. She is next in line after Rice I believe so don't panic yet

Incorrect. This is the current, correct order of Presidential Succession:

The President of the United States
The Vice President of the United States
Speaker of the House
President pro tempore of the Senate
Secretary of State
Secretary of the Treasury
Secretary of Defense
Attorney General
Secretary of the Interior
Secretary of Agriculture
Secretary of Commerce
Secretary of Labor
Secretary of Health and Human Services
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Secretary of Transportation
Secretary of Energy
Secretary of Education
Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Secretary of Homeland Security

Thin Black Line
October 20, 2006, 08:36 AM
Anybody else notice that he sure likes Springfield Armory?

Not that there's anything wrong with that...


Yeah, kind of made me wonder....what's next? Gun magazines reviewing arms
in their articles from the same people who pay for advertising?...oh, wait....

In any case, I have one word for you when it comes to which guns to have
before the next ban: UNDERFOLDERS.

hillbilly
October 20, 2006, 02:13 PM
Joe Demko is right.

Adams is just a right-wing hack trying to whip you all up into a voting frenzy.

Democrats don't want to ban your guns.

I mean, just because the Democrats crammed the 1994 assault weapons ban down your throats (tie vote in the Senate broken by VP Al Gore himself) doesn't mean anything.

I mean the fact that Fienstein and Kennedy and Kerry tried hard to renew the AWB in 2004 doesn't mean anything.

And pay no attention at all to Kennedy arguing for an "armor-piercing ammo ban" on the floor of the Senate and using .30-30 ammo as his prime example of medium caliber, armor-piercing ammo.

And pay no attention to Schumer and Boxer and Lautenberg......it's just a coinicidence that they were all Democrats.

And Blagoivich (spelling?) and Mayor Daley and Conyers of Michigan (Last remaining congress critter serving who voted for the GCA of 1968).

No, the Democrats don't want to ban your guns.....like they did in 1994, like they have in California (silly Mike Adams, putting the M1A in as it is only "sort-of" banned in California by Democrats.....much better if he'd had put the SKS on the list instead...but hey, he likes expensive guns.)

The Democrats DO NOT want to ban your guns......Like Bill Clinton did..........You're just a bunch of fools letting some right-wing hack like Adams whip you into a non-sensical voting frenzy..........

Say it with me now....Democrats DO NOT want to ban your guns.......they may have wanted to as recently as a couple of years ago, but RIGHT NOW, they DO NOT want to ban your guns....

Everybody clear on that?

:rolleyes:

hillbilly

Joe Demko
October 20, 2006, 02:16 PM
I love when you roll your eyes like that, hillbilly, it makes you look like Theda Bara. I know from your previous posts here that you are intelligent enough to know that Adams being a party hack and everything you posted about Democrats are not mutually exclusive. D and R both have hacks.

hillbilly
October 20, 2006, 02:50 PM
Joe Demko is right, AGAIN!!!!

The anti-gun stance is not purely a Democrat stance.

Here's proof

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban passed the US House of Representatives by a vote of 216-214.

Here's the breakdown.

177 Democrats voted FOR the AWB.
38 Republicans voted FOR the AWB.

137 Republicans voted AGAINST the AWB
77 Democrats voted AGAINST the AWB.

Joe Demko is exactly right.

When it comes to banning semi-automatic, magazine-fed rifles, shotguns and pistols, Democrats are likely to vote FOR such a ban only 81.94% of the time.

That's right.....Democrats are ONLY 81.94% of those voting to ban your guns.

Heck, Republicans are only 64% of those voting to let you KEEP your semi-atuo guns. Dems who voted AGAINST the AWB made up a hefty 35% of the total "NO" votes....I mean, c'mon.....35% is like a freakin' Tidal Wave Tsunami of support, right?

So, Joe Demko is absolutely right on again.

Not ALL Democrats want to ban your guns. They made up ONLY 81.94% of the "YES" votes for the AWB back in 1994.

I mean, c'mon.....what's 81.94% when you're talking about some right-wing hack like Mike Adams?

hillbilly

Malone LaVeigh
October 20, 2006, 03:45 PM
81.94%

Check your math, hillbilly.

Beren
October 20, 2006, 04:44 PM
Adams may be a hack. That's irrelevant to countering his argument.

"Speaker Pelosi" will try to push federal firearms legislation modeled after California's. Do you really doubt that to be the case, given her history, her public statements, and her past efforts? It will be one of the Democrats' top priorities, along with raising taxes. They won't force the President out of Iraq - they'll beat that marching drum until the Presidential elections in 2008.

Notice I am not saying it's a bad thing that taxes would be raised. Nor am I saying it would be a bad thing for a Democrat to be elected President in '08.

I'm not sure why some of you are so upset that others would call a white cat what it is - a white cat. The history of the Democratic Party over the last twenty years has been significantly more anti-firearms than that of the Republican Party. If your local Democrat is highly rated by GOA and the NRA, vote for them. Maybe they'll restore some sanity to their party.

Malone LaVeigh
October 20, 2006, 05:03 PM
I hope no one thinks I'm defending Pelosi.

Joe Demko
October 20, 2006, 06:55 PM
Hillbilly knows I'm not defending Democrats, Malone, and nobody thinks you're defending Pelosi. You just have to understand that Party Faithful are constrained to always act as if being against R means you must be for D.

Master Blaster
October 20, 2006, 07:12 PM
Hey guys, a bigger concern is how the demos will use the USA patriot act, and the suspension of our other rights when they have control of congress and the White House. Do you all think Git Mo will hold all 4 million NRA members????

This Gun board may be a threat to national security as well since it provides a means of communications for us subversive gun nuts.

TexasRifleman
October 20, 2006, 07:49 PM
Well this bozo, meaning me, thinks the M1A might be on the list so I just ordered one.

Not sure why you think a mag fed, semi automatic, military rifle with flash supressor might make the "No No" list..... :rolleyes:

johnster999
October 20, 2006, 09:06 PM
The GOP is better on gun issues overall than the Democrats.

Hardware
October 20, 2006, 10:32 PM
Does this bozo really think the M1A is on anyone's radar for a ban?

Right, and under the original AWB my Ishapore was a forbidden assault rifle what with its 12 round detachable box magazine and dangerous bayonet lug.

Get it through your head, they want ALL guns. They'll start by driving a wedge between "good" guns and "bad" guns. Then decrease the first group and increase the second .

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