Even when guns are not used, guns are responsible


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skidmark
October 18, 2006, 03:18 PM
"It was blunt-force trauma and sharp-instrument lacerations...." does not stop Kathleen Hoffman, deputy director of the Association of Social Work Boards, from saying "It's like a state trooper stopping somebody for speeding. Ninety-nine percent of the time it's fine. But there's always that chance that somebody has a gun."

:what::cuss: :fire: :banghead: :barf: :eek:

Now guns are responsible for killing someone, even though no gun appears to have been present. The Association for Social Work Boards can be reached at www.aswb.org.

Association of Social Work Boards
400 South Ridge Parkway, Suite B
Culpeper, VA 22701
(800) 225-6880 toll free
(540) 829-6880 phone
(540) 829-0142 fax

According to their website The Association of Social Work Boards (ASWB) is the association of boards that regulate social work. ASWB develops and maintains the social work licensing examination used across the country, and is a central resource for information on the legal regulation of social work. Through the association, social work boards can share information and work together. ASWB is also available to help individual social workers and social work students with questions they may have about licensing and the social work examinations.


Search for family after social worker slain
Amber Alert issued for 10-month-old boy; mother, boyfriend also sought

• Amber Alert for missing infant

Oct. 18: Police are following leads to track down a Kentucky woman accused of kidnapping her infant son and killing his social worker. NBC's Michelle Kosinksi reports.
MSNBC

Updated: 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
HENDERSON, Ky. - A nine-month-old boy, his mother and her boyfriend were still missing Wednesday, two days after a social worker was found dead in the mother's home, and police were taking calls of possible sightings across the Midwest.

Boni Frederick, 67, had taken the boy, who has been in foster care, to his mother's house for a visit Monday. Police found her body after she failed to return to work, and she appeared to have been beaten to death. Her car also was missing

"It was blunt-force trauma and sharp-instrument lacerations," Sgt. John Nevels of the Henderson Police Department said Tuesday. "There was definitely a struggle."

Police searched Tuesday for the missing boy, who was believed to be with his mother, Renee Terrell, 33, and her boyfriend, Christopher Wayne Luttrell, 23.

A dispatcher for Henderson police said Wednesday the three had not been located but that police had taken numerous calls of possible sightings in places ranging from Louisville to Illinois to Kansas.

Luttrell faces burglary charges in Jefferson County and has a warrant for parole violation, police said.

History of abuse
Terrell has a history of abuse charges against children, including charges of assault and endangering the welfare of a minor, police said. The child had been taken from his mother when he was 13 days old because of neglect.

A neighbor, Jean Davis, told The Courier-Journal that Terrell learned last Wednesday that Saige would be put up for adoption. Terrell told friends on Saturday she planned to take the boy and run away to New Mexico, Davis said.

"She loved her baby," Davis told the newspaper in a story published Wednesday. "She talked about how she was going to get her baby and everything back. She was buying clothes. She had a baby bed and a high chair and everything. ... I guess it made her snap."

Investigators have contacted family and friends, who have been "helpful on giving some locations to concentrate on" in their search. The pair was last seen late Monday at a gas station off Interstate 70 in Illinois.

The mother's white-paneled, single-story house was roped off by police tape, and a squad car was parked in front. The FBI and Henderson police were working together on the case.

Neighbor Mindy Gray, 22, described the mother as "goofy, like a little kid."

"But every time I talked to her, she was sweet as can be," she said.

Gov. Ernie Fletcher asked flags to be flown at half-staff on state buildings in memory of Frederick, who worked for the state Cabinet for Health and Family Services. The last time a social worker was killed on the job in Kentucky was in 1987.

Advocates said the slaying emphasizes the danger of social work.

"It's like a state trooper stopping somebody for speeding," said Kathleen Hoffman, deputy director of the Association of Social Work Boards. "Ninety-nine percent of the time it's fine. But there's always that chance that somebody has a gun."

Vehicle, suspect information
Terrell has family in Louisville; Evansville and Fort Wayne, Ind.; and New York, police said. Frederick's car was missing, and the dispatcher said Terrell, Luttrell and the boy may be traveling in it. It was described as a 2000 white Daewoo Nubira station wagon with Kentucky license plate 675-DRV.

Renee Terrell was described as white with brown hair and brown eyes, glasses, 5-foot-5 and 240 pounds. Luttrell was described as white, blue eyes, 6-2 and 150 pounds with tattoos on his arms.

Saige Terrell is white, brown hair and brown eyes, 27 inches tall and 19 pounds. Police said the boy is developmentally disabled and has a scratch on the right side of his face and a rug burn on the back of his neck.

Information about the missing boy can be reported to police at (270) 827-8700.

edited 10/18 @ 3:25 PM to add address & phone #

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Axman
October 18, 2006, 03:34 PM
She should have phrased it this way...

"It's like a state trooper stopping somebody for speeding," said Kathleen Hoffman, deputy director of the Association of Social Work Boards. "Ninety-nine percent of the time it's fine. But there's always that chance that somebody has some type of weapon."

skidmark
October 18, 2006, 03:46 PM
Axman wrote:
[QUOTE]She should have phrased it this way...


Quote:
"It's like a state trooper stopping somebody for speeding," said Kathleen Hoffman, deputy director of the Association of Social Work Boards. "Ninety-nine percent of the time it's fine. But there's always that chance that somebody has some type of weapon." [QUOTE]

Yes, Ms Hoffman the Associate Director of the Association of Social Work Boards should have written it that way, but the point is she did not!

Being as I claim being a social worker as my profession, I will not try to tar all social workers with the liberal, tree-hugging brush. I believe most are, but I know others who share much more moderate, conservative, even libertarian views.

The point of my rant is that some doofus declared that guns are evil even when there were no guns involved. The little buggers are all just sitting there in their display cases, their packing boxes, and our gun safes, waiting for the first time we are not watching them so they can go out and kill somebody all on their own. Or at least Kathleen Hoffman wants us to belive so.

I have called Ms. Hoffman and her boss. both were on conference calls (per the ASWB operator) so I left voice mail messages. I'll post if I get a reply from either.

stay safe.

skidmark

Axman
October 18, 2006, 03:53 PM
Does she have an email?

skidmark
October 18, 2006, 04:12 PM
Needed to do a Google search, as ASWB does not list contact info on their website.

Contact: Kathleen Hoffman, (800) 225-6880, Ext. 3006, khoffman@
aswb.org

stay safe.

skidmark

grimjaw
October 18, 2006, 04:37 PM
At least 50% of the time I'd get stopped there's a (legally carried) weapon. It should have been:

"It's like a state trooper stopping somebody for speeding," said Kathleen Hoffman, deputy director of the Association of Social Work Boards. "Ninety-nine percent of the time it's fine. But there's always that chance that somebody has malicious intent."

jm

dragongoddess
October 18, 2006, 04:57 PM
Social Workers should not be making Home visits alone nor should their office not know their wearabouts when they are out on home visits. Scheduled checkins should be a normal action.

Eleven Mike
October 18, 2006, 05:02 PM
Thank you Mr. Grimjaw.

She obviously didn't blame guns, but she did participate in the unfortunate confusion that having a gun is a bad thing that indicates criminal tendencies.

Wiley
October 18, 2006, 06:14 PM
Even better, she should have kept her mouth shut.

What's the quote? People may think you an idiot, don't open your mouth and prove them right.

Erebus
October 18, 2006, 07:43 PM
Social Workers should not be making Home visits alone nor should their office not know their wearabouts when they are out on home visits. Scheduled checkins should be a normal action. Totally agree and am surprised that this could happen. I would have though they would have already had procedures and rules in place to prevent someone going somewhere like this and no one knowing.

I think she was refering to the law of averages that eventually someone is going to encounter this kind of thing. Probably made the comment on the fly and the analogy made sence to her at the time. I doubt it's an attack on gun ownership. I think the message she meant to convey was more like "Ninety-nine percent of the time it's fine. But there's always that chance that somebody has malicious intent and the means to act on it." She chose her words poorly and fed the stereotype.

I don't think calling her out on the carpet is in order. In fact I think it may be quite counter productive.

Eleven Mike
October 19, 2006, 01:04 AM
I think she was refering to the law of averages that eventually someone is going to encounter this kind of thing. Probably made the comment on the fly and the analogy made sence to her at the time. I doubt it's an attack on gun ownership. I think the message she meant to convey was more like "Ninety-nine percent of the time it's fine. But there's always that chance that somebody has malicious intent and the means to act on it." She chose her words poorly and fed the stereotype.
What he said.

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