Some interesting statistics regarding immigration


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Sawdust
October 19, 2006, 05:33 PM
According to the 2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statitical Report on Undocumented Immigrants:

-- 62% of all "undocumented immigrants" in the United States are working for cash and not paying taxes, predominantly illegal aliens, working without a green card;

-- 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens;

-- 83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens;

-- 86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens;

-- 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles , Phoenix , and Albuquerque are illegal aliens;

-- More than 380,000 "anchor babies" were born in the United States in 2005 were to parents who are illegal aliens; making those 380,000 babies automatically U.S. citizens. 97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayer;

-- More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers;

-- 24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally;

-- 40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally;

-- 48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally;

-- 29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually;

-- More than 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages;
-- More than 53% of all investigated burglaries reported in California , New Mexico , Nevada , Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens;

-- More than half of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border;

-- More than 43% of all Food Stamps issued are to illegal aliens;

-- More than 41% of all unemployment checks issued in the United States are to illegal aliens;

-- 58% of all Welfare payments in the United States are issued to illegal aliens;
-- Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties in the United States are illegal aliens;

-- 14 out of 31 TV stations in L.A. are Spanish-only;

-- 16 out of 28 TV stations in Phoenix are Spanish-only;

-- 15 out of 24 TV stations in Albuquerque are Spanish-only;

-- 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish-only;

-- 17 radio stations in Phoenix are Spanish-only;

-- 17 radio stations in Albuquerque are Spanish-only;

-- More than 34% of Arizona students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens;

-- More than 24% of Arizona students in grades 1-12 are non-English-speaking;

-- More than 39% of California students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens;

-- More than 42% of California students in grades 1-12 are non-English-speaking;

-- In Los Angeles County , 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish;

-- More than 71% of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by illegal aliens or transport "coyotes";

-- 47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens;

-- 63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens;

-- 66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66%, 98% are illegal aliens;

-- Less than 2% of illegal aliens in the United States are picking crops , but 41% are on welfare;

-- Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration;

-- The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University];

-- The estimated profit to U.S. corporations and businesses employing illegal aliens in 2005 was more than $2.36 TRILLION dollars;

-- The fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican illegal alien is $55,000.00 cost to the American taxpayer in a 5-year span. You, personally, are giving $11,000 every year to support illegal aliens.


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Sindawe
October 19, 2006, 06:03 PM
Interesting, have you a link to the source?

And as interesting as this information is, how does it relate to this?Get informed on issues affecting the right to keep and bear arms and other civil rights. Coordinate activism, debate with allies and opponents. Discuss laws concerning firearm ownership, concealed carry and self-defense.

cassandrasdaddy
October 19, 2006, 06:36 PM
periodically some nimrod trolls the sos/minute man boards and trots out this nonsense like its new. even though most of its been shown fictional or as misrepresentations of stats. kinda sad

wingman
October 19, 2006, 06:51 PM
And as interesting as this information is, how does it relate to this?
Quote:
Get informed on issues affecting the right to keep and bear arms and other civil rights. Coordinate activism, debate with allies and opponents. Discuss laws concerning firearm ownership, concealed carry and self-defense.


Simply, if the uncontrolled population increase continues firearms will be
eliminated from private ownership.

Please if anyone views these stats as not true post correct ones, I would
be very interested in reading.

cassandrasdaddy
October 19, 2006, 07:11 PM
the calif cops don't list immigration status on the most wanted list not pc the stats about numbers living in a garage are kinda hard to prove .... but easy to make up. if you do a search i wasted a bunch of time before researching many of these 1 in 3 is close to true. i regard the sources and those who regurgitate the fiction as our modern day "reefer madness" only its about the evil brown hordes now as opposed to the evil weed

Car Knocker
October 19, 2006, 07:12 PM
Googled the term "INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants" (spelled correctly) and was unable to find a link to the government, just a lot of sites discussing this 'document'. Please post a link to the original report so numbers can be verified.

cassandrasdaddy
October 19, 2006, 07:27 PM
Below, is a report, supposedly by the US Government. I can find no record of it on the FBI site or INS site. Maybe they published this, maybe they didn't. Most of the "facts" quoted here, I have seen printed elsewhere and based on that, I do believe that regardless of who published these facts, many are true.

This is the report floating around the Interent:

INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigration

First Quarter 2006

and this comes from cairs site

http://www.americanbordersecurity.net/facts.html


even they are calling it iffy but it feels real good to some folks. one of the sites endorsing it had a representative heading that speaksof those enamored with the fictional report the site starts
"no jews just right"

you gotta love the folks that let their true feelings out when they can be anonymous

hso
October 19, 2006, 09:22 PM
I too couldn't find a primary source for the information and none of the secondary sources provided any link to a government website. It was repeated over and over again in both white stormfront type sites and in blogs focused on illegal immegrants.

Can you attribute the information?

The Deer Hunter
October 19, 2006, 09:27 PM
Now we just need to do somehting about the aliens.

cassandrasdaddy
October 19, 2006, 10:00 PM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp
hmmm not too good

'Card
October 19, 2006, 10:01 PM
Oh, forget about facts. Facts are over-rated.

If it reinforces our racist stereotypes and makes us feel better about ourselves, then it must be the truth, right?

Sindawe
October 19, 2006, 10:02 PM
Now we just need to do somehting about the aliens.Hmmm...make fajitas out of 'em? :evil: Simply, if the uncontrolled population increase continues firearms will be eliminated from private ownership.Would that be due to the endless waves of illegal aliens and legal immigrants who do not share our cultural background and ingrained suspicion of things done for "the common good" and so are inclined to support and vote for those who promise more goodies and keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and racists. Or would it be due to increased crowding leading to rising violence, as what happens when rats are permitted to breed with out limits in a finite space?

Double Naught Spy
October 19, 2006, 10:04 PM
I have to laugh when I see such garbage about illegal aliens. Is it just more or do any of the rest of you find it amazing just how much documentation there is on undocumented workers? :confused:

Sindawe
October 19, 2006, 10:07 PM
DNS: What? Your message was garbled travelling from your brain to the keyboard. Please repeat.

slzy
October 19, 2006, 10:08 PM
one illegal alien is too many.

longeyes
October 19, 2006, 10:28 PM
the calif cops don't list immigration status on the most wanted list not pc the stats about numbers living in a garage are kinda hard to prove .... but easy to make up. if you do a search i wasted a bunch of time before researching many of these 1 in 3 is close to true. i regard the sources and those who regurgitate the fiction as our modern day "reefer madness" only its about the evil brown hordes now as opposed to the evil weed

Go to escapingjustice.com and take a look at the amount of felons who have committed grave crimes in our country and hightailed it back to Mamma Mejico.

Sure, permitting millions of people to mock our laws by squatting in America is something we should just ignore. Tell me that in 20 years.

TX1911fan
October 19, 2006, 10:33 PM
cassandrasdaddy, that Snopes link was not all contrary to the original post. While many of those "statistics" are made up, the Snopes article does state that a signifcant cost to this country occurs as a result of illegal immigration. From what I have read, many hospitals close to the border are having significant budget issues as a result of illegal immigration. And, of course, the terrorism aspect cannot be overlooked. I find it interesting that when a person expresses concerns about illegal immigration, they are immediately branded a racist. How do you know the race of the poster? Maybe he is a Mexican who immigrated here legally and is concerned that the country he worked so hard to becomoe a citizen of is not enforcing its own laws. Or, maybe the illegal immigrants he is speaking of are coming from Canada or Eastern Europe? Finally, why is it bad to be concerned with the blatant flouting of our nation's laws? When the BATF steps outside of the law, everyone on this board has a hissy fit, but let's just let hundreds of thousands of people break our laws every year, and no big deal? I guess if you believe unlimited immigration is the way this country should operate, that's just fine. But then you have to accept the costs and also have to press for teh laws to be changed. Otherwise, I don't see how it is racist for someone to argue that those laws should be enforced. I for one would be just as against this illegal influx of foreigners if they were coming from Sweden, Italy, France or the UK. We have laws, and if someone wants to be American, they should not make their first act in this country the commission of a crime. If that's racist, then so be it.

real_name
October 19, 2006, 10:48 PM
Disclaimer: I am a naturalized citizen of the USA, meaning I was born in England and am now a legal US citizen, with a passport and voting rights.

Every nation has a scapegoat, back in the UK it is the Pakistanis, they are widely believed to be responsible for everything that is wrong about modern Britain. Before them it was Black people. Before them it was probably the French.

My point is this. There is something going wrong here in the USA, and illegal immigration is a cause of the problem. It's not the only one and Mexicans (indeed Central Americans/Latinos in general) are not the only illegal immigrants, but they are the present scapegoat.

America is having problems and, oh look... he just jumped the line and cheated.

I see it that way and accept it for what it is. They need to accept it. They aren't being well received and need to get their house in order rather than perpetuate all the 'La Raza' inflammatory craziness.

If I was Latino/Hispanic I would be joining the Border Guard or something to redress the balance against my people.
Legal imigrants aren't the problem, illegals are. It just so happens that most of them are coming from the south.

mljdeckard
October 19, 2006, 10:54 PM
And as for that link posted by cassandrasdaddy, it hardly debunks the data, it questions a few points of it.

Mexico's most profitable industry is the exploitation of its natural resources. This is the ONLY economic factor in Mexico greater than that is the exportation of cash from illegal immigrants sent home to family members still living in Mexico.

FTF
October 19, 2006, 11:31 PM
Before them it was probably the French.

I kind of miss all the French bashing :(

It was such a more innocent time.

LightningJoe
October 20, 2006, 12:58 AM
There is a reason Mexicans don't want to live in Mexico. If you can figure out what it is, you will know why Americans don't want to live in Mexico.

real_name
October 20, 2006, 01:14 AM
There is a reason Mexicans don't want to live in Mexico. If you can figure out what it is, you will know why Americans don't want to live in Mexico.

I'm guessing you're not referring to Salma Hayek.

WayneConrad
October 20, 2006, 03:27 AM
...do any of the rest of you find it amazing just how much documentation there is on undocumented workers?
Holy cow, that's insightful. Brilliant!

LAK
October 20, 2006, 07:22 AM
Not news to me, the front page of the Houston Chronicle the other day had a story headed something like "Texas a mirror for future America". Basically stating the obvious; that not long down the road that the situation in the rest of the nation will be similar to that in Texas.

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DRMMR02
October 20, 2006, 07:45 AM
I'm sure a lot of that stuff might be true. Illegals are a most serious blight on our economy, and penal system. But this whle thread is bunk until we get a link to the actual FBI/INS report on a .gov website. Anyone can make numbers up and attribute them to official organizations like the FBI. And on the internet, people frequently do.

So does anyone have a real link to the real report?

RealGun
October 20, 2006, 08:42 AM
Googling shows this all over the internet, everyone questioning the veracity of the numbers. I believe it originated at:

http://amboytimes.blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-first-quarter-insfbi-statistical.html

Near as I can tell, it is a complete hoax or that it is quite correct to question it.

TX1911fan
October 20, 2006, 09:43 AM
Yeah, I think the Snopes link established that the numbers were made up. I think lists like this actually hurt those of us opposed to illegal immigration more than help. Some people might believe it out of hand, but most will check, and when they find out the numbers are fake, it damages the cause. I am not opposed to anyone coming to this country. I am not against foreigners. I myself grew up in Canada, and all of my family are Canadian. I am in fact an "anchor baby" so to speak, as I was born in the USA while my father was attending college. I was the lucky one in my family, and I have several family members who would like to become Americans, but have difficulty with the time and expense it will take to become one. That is what is frustrating to me and to them. If you want to come from Canada, please wait in line, spend thousands of dollars, and wait a minimum of 7 years. If you want to come from Mexico, well just come on in! I am opposed to people coming to this country illegally. If we as a country decide that more immigrants are needed, wanted, permitted, then fine, let's change the immigration laws. No problem. At least these people will then be in the system. They will be accountable. They will have a stake, and they will feel much more committed. Plus, they will be less of a drain on resources as they will pay at least some of their own way.

And for those who think that the only people who oppose illegal immigration are those afraid of competition from other workers, that doesn't apply to me either. I'm an attorney, so I'm not facing any competition from illegals. I do, however, support those who make the argument that illegal labor is unfair competition. Take my line of work, for example. Because I have to pay taxes (property, self employment, income, etc.) and health insurance premiums, and auto insurance, I have a certain level of cost that I have to build into my rates. My competitors have the same costs, so our rates end up looking similar. If, however, I can avoid paying taxes and insurance premiums, my costs can decrease. If I can push that cost onto society, then I can "compete" better with my competitors. But, it is unfair competition. If illegal aliens were required to pay taxes and insurance like the rest of us, they would not be able to work for nearly what they work for now, and the problem would be largely solved. I read one person's solution is to require that all employers pay the same wage to everyone, regardless of immigration status. That way, employers would have no incentive to hire illegals given that they are saving no money. Good idea, except that it would work about as well as gun control, given that employers who are hiring illegals are already breaking the law, so why would we think they'll obey the law regarding pay.

One final point. I find it interesting that many of the same people who criticize US corporations for "exploiting" third world employees in third world countries are not criticizing US corproations for exploiting those same employees when they come to the US. If I opened a branch office of a lawn care business in Mexico and only paid my employees $5 a day, I'd be a scum bag. But pay them that in the US, and it will be overlooked, because to make waves about it would be to hurt the flow of illegals "willing to come here and do jobs Americans won't do."

longeyes
October 20, 2006, 12:22 PM
Keep bringing in aliens--by the millions yearly--who don't want to assimilate and let them work "off the books" and put their families on public subsidies at taxpayer expense. Do it in defiance of The Law. See what kind of a country you have in ten years--or if you have a country at all. This is utterly basic; that we should even be "debating" whether our nation needs borders and cultural cohesion on political essentials shows how brain-addled America has become.

longeyes
October 20, 2006, 01:10 PM
Much of this is moot so long as we have political administrations, in cahoots with power-grabbers and commercial pimps, who care nothing about either The Law or Nationhood. The real problem emanates from two capitols, Washington, D.C. and Mexico City; the rest is a symptom, however corrosive in its effects.

Yesterday two Border Patrol agents were sentenced to 11 and 12 years respectively for what looks to most of us like Just Doing Their Job. Our own Gov't was against them. And now the illegal alien drug smuggler claiming victim status is suing US for $5 million. Ugly. Apparently the BP is getting in the way of The Master Plan, so they will be sacrificed. Outrage? Outcry? Where?

wingman
October 20, 2006, 03:20 PM
Keep bringing in aliens--by the millions yearly--who don't want to assimilate and let them work "off the books" and put their families on public subsidies at taxpayer expense. Do it in defiance of The Law. See what kind of a country you have in ten years-

Correct, it's simply the huge numbers, we continue to allow millions into this
country most who have no skills and very little education, we export jobs,
our middle classes is under attack each day and for those who feel they will
continue to own firearms in a rich/poor country is simply naive. We are changing folks and not in a good way.

TX1911fan
October 20, 2006, 03:48 PM
Longeyes, I saw that news story, and I am outraged. I have sent letters to my representatives asking them where they stand on this issue.

c_yeager
October 20, 2006, 03:57 PM
It saddens me a little that someone can post a blatently false set of information and that members of this site will actually say that it doesnt really matter that the numbers are completely made up, it's still "essentially" true. Being "right" is more than having an opinion, it is a devotion to truth. If what the author was saying were actually true, then they wouldnt have to make up their data. When you start to willingly believe information that you know to be fabricated you have crossed the line from reason into zealotry.

slzy
October 20, 2006, 04:26 PM
so,c. yeager are you saying illegal immigration is not a real problem?

Waitone
October 20, 2006, 05:53 PM
We out here in flyover country would dearly love to quantify what we see each and every day. We would love to be able to put our hands on reliable statistics but we can't. Best we can do is compare stats from various advocacy groups. Why?????? Because the federales and the states do not publish statistics related to the impact of illegal immigration IF THE STATISTICS ARE GATHERED IN THE FIRST PLACE. Why? governmental policy is at variance with the expressed will of Joe and Martha Sixpack. To publish the stats would be to confirm what the great unwashed suspect. Statistics would bear witness to a government out of control.

Yes, the source of the statistics in this case may well be suspect. That does not mean there is no problem. It means the government is flat out scared of demonstrating the problem for fear of the reaction.

The validity of any government supplied statistic is a subject for another thread. In the case if illegal immigration I adopt the 2-1/2 philosophy. Take any statistics batted around by goverment advocates regarding immigration and either hit it with a 2x or 1/2x factor, which ever put the governments position in a worse light. Example, 12 million illegals in the US--2 x 12 equals 24 million is a more realistic figure.

There is no one so blind as those who will not see.

quatin
October 20, 2006, 07:06 PM
Irony. We stole Texas away from Mexico. Now they're getting it back! :eek:

crazed_ss
October 20, 2006, 07:37 PM
Keep bringing in aliens--by the millions yearly--who don't want to assimilate and let them work "off the books" and put their families on public subsidies at taxpayer expense. Do it in defiance of The Law. See what kind of a country you have in ten years--or if you have a country at all. This is utterly basic; that we should even be "debating" whether our nation needs borders and cultural cohesion on political essentials shows how brain-addled America has become.

I think you have a bit of a "sky is falling" attitude. Illegal immigration is nothing new. It's just one of today's hotbutton issues.. Im not saying it's right, but I'm not buying into this idea that the country is going to collaspe because of illegal Mexicans. If that were the case, it should have happened by now considering this problem is over a century old.

I like Glenn Beck's cartoon here.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=750Ka3PIKds

LightningJoe
October 20, 2006, 10:42 PM
Irony. We stole Texas away from Mexico. Now they're getting it back!


Mexico stole Texas from Spain. Sam Houston stole it back. Then he gave it to America. All in all, I'd have to say, "Good job, Sam. You da man!"


Oh, and if Texas were part of Mexico right now, Mexicans would be flooding across the border into Oklahoma.

Banta
October 21, 2006, 12:17 AM
All you have to do is take a look at the LAPD Most Wanted list. It pretty much speaks for itself.


http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

slzy
October 21, 2006, 01:37 AM
i have heard what might be called Mexican Patriots,that is those who would rather fix their country rather than bail out,remark how ironic it is the only part of mexico that got stolen was the part with hospitals,interstates,plumbing,etc.

longeyes
October 21, 2006, 11:44 AM
I think you have a bit of a "sky is falling" attitude. Illegal immigration is nothing new. It's just one of today's hotbutton issues.. Im not saying it's right, but I'm not buying into this idea that the country is going to collaspe because of illegal Mexicans. If that were the case, it should have happened by now considering this problem is over a century old.

I'm sure you realize the numbers are a bit different, as is the political and social climate of the U.S. People define "collapse" in different ways. I think it is unrealistic to expect that a massive influx of Mexicans would produce anything other than a Mexico-inside-the-U.S. You decide how desirable that would be. The only reason I don't necessarily expect this to cause a collapse, frankly, is that I am certain there will be various forms of counter-reaction, some probably rather dramatic, to derail the train of illegal immigration in the coming years.

crazed_ss
October 21, 2006, 02:07 PM
Obviously the number is higher today, but I wonder if the higher numbers of illegals are somewhat proportional to population growth. Since illegal immigration is labor-driven, it would seem that the more people we have in the US, the more illegals are needed to pick grapes

cloudkiller
October 21, 2006, 02:17 PM
Please remember, the main reason why so many illegals have made it in largely has to do with the fact that many people with heavy economic interests believe that we need the immigrants.

1. They depress wages (who benefits from lower wages?)
2. They provide competition to socially and politically homogeneous labor groups and populations (who benefits from competing with union labor or other homogeneous working class voting blocks?)
3. They shift social service dollars (such as healthcare) away from corporate interests and to social agencies (see the pattern?)
4. They fill voids in our demographic breakdown caused by low birth rates and an aging population. (Perhaps Mexicans don't have the distribution of skilled labor we need in all areas, but they aren't the only immigrant group coming in droves)

According to several "mainstream" media sources the most credible studies on the economic impact of illegals is an 8% - 12% decline in wages among the least skilled elements of our populations. Basically poor, uneducated Americans. Many studies show that among middle and uppler class populations, there is a correlation between high immigrant populations and increased affluence. Think about it. A city like Jacksonville FL has a huge construction boom, a growing upper class, a growing professional class, etc. The huge construction boom has led to a large influx of illegal labor associated with construction and landscaping trades. (Mexicans, Salvadorans, Bosnians, Russians and some African groups) -- This has probably hurt the poorest population here, but correlates nicely with a city that is growing in prosperity outside of the poorest population.

While I worry about the cultural impact of all of the non-English speaking immigrants I am dismayed when I realize how many people who oppose immigration really do so for more racist reasons than anything else. Many people simply fear the "browning" of America, a reality that is inevitable because of birthrates alone. I think that future stability in the US will rely on plans to culturally assimilate as many of the immigrants as possible to prevent the situation in Europe where immigrants were brought in by the millions (because of demographic/aging problems also linked to our immigrant situation) but where the immigrants were never allowed into the mainstream culturally, legally or politically. Hence Europe ended up with a very alienated population in their midst. That is never a good situation.

Ultimately, what we need is a plan to renew American values, culture, etc. understanding that "Americans" will look somewhat different than they did before. This isn't the first time the US has dealt with cultural assimilation, and won't be the last. -- And, yes, every criticism about "those people" not wanting to learn English, assimilate, be part of the US, etc. was made about pretty much every immigrant group before.

Isnofar as the source of the illegal immigration, we should not be naive to assume that "they" are here ONLY because of a porous border. "They" are here because people and institutions in power felt "they" were needed for economic reasons. -- If they US went away from a model of corporate-responsiblity for healthcare, for example, I bet the demand for illegal labor would decrease.

Car Knocker
October 21, 2006, 02:29 PM
All you have to do is take a look at the LAPD Most Wanted list. It pretty much speaks for itself.

I looked at maybe 25 on the list. Not one was listed as an illegal immigrant or illegal alien.

jerkyman45
October 21, 2006, 02:36 PM
Irony. We stole Texas away from Mexico. Now they're getting it back!

We annexed Texas as an independent nation in the 1840's, then we bought New Mexico, Arizona, and all other territory that was part of Mexico. We bought Alaska too, should we give it back to the Russians? How about we return the land from the Louisiana Purchase to France? Get your facts in line, we did not steal their land.

crazed_ss
October 21, 2006, 02:40 PM
I looked at maybe 25 on the list. Not one was listed as an illegal immigrant or illegal alien.

But a lot of them had Spanish Surnames.. clearly, they're illegal! :rolleyes:

c_yeager
October 21, 2006, 02:49 PM
so,c. yeager are you saying illegal immigration is not a real problem?

No, but its clearly a smaller problem that some advocates think, otherwise they wouldnt have to falsify their information.

Art Eatman
October 21, 2006, 06:38 PM
OT the last time. OT now.

Art

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