Barack Obama for President ?


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S&W 910
October 19, 2006, 09:35 PM
Watching Larry King and sounds like he will run.

Your thoughts ?

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GoRon
October 19, 2006, 09:39 PM
He is a pretty boy who is a socialist at heart.

Scratch the surface and you will find a hard core lefty.

He was elected here in Illinois and people don't even know what his political philosophy is, this state is wacked :banghead:

Old Partner
October 19, 2006, 09:42 PM
Not is his wildest dreams :barf:

ChuckB
October 19, 2006, 09:49 PM
Old partner- don't bet a lot of money on that. A lot of folks are just plain disgusted with lying, cheating, self-serving politicians, and might jump on a guy who looks "clean". I'm not saying Obama is that guy- but it is the image he's trying to project. One of his big advantages is his minimal political history. There's not much out there for supporters or opponents to grab on to. Sounds like he's pretty cagey.

Chuck, who doesn't trust any Illinois politician.

nitesite
October 19, 2006, 09:53 PM
FoxNews reported at noon today that Oprah Winfrey is putting her influence behind his candidacy. Be scared; she has a huge demographic following.

real_name
October 19, 2006, 09:54 PM
Not is his wildest dreams

There's a few people (http://www.google.com/search?q=barack+obama+for+president&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official)who disagree.

http://irregulartimes.com/obamahotnot.gif

S&W 910
October 19, 2006, 09:55 PM
They showed many clips of Oprah endorsing him

Hanzo581
October 19, 2006, 09:56 PM
this is not going to happen, at least not this time around

MDMadrid
October 19, 2006, 09:58 PM
Some people are saying that he would make a good VP for Hillary.


IF that happens...well...I don't know what to say...................

S&W 910
October 19, 2006, 09:58 PM
He's very charismatic and really seems honest,but i don't like the some of the answers he's given

seems to want to please both sides and very soft on illegal immigration

ACORN
October 19, 2006, 09:59 PM
Oprah who?
Ain't gonna happen.

aspen1964
October 19, 2006, 10:00 PM
I've heard his politics and they are unhealthy for America...no vote from me.

real_name
October 19, 2006, 10:01 PM
How about this?

http://www.gore-obama.us/images/GO_logo2.jpg

mljdeckard
October 19, 2006, 10:02 PM
Is it really that bad for the republicans this time around that the democrats are going to risk either the first black or the first female nominee and give them a fighting chance?

real_name
October 19, 2006, 10:05 PM
Is it really that bad for the republicans this time around that the democrats are going to risk either the first black or the first female nominee and give them a fighting chance?

Of course the conservatives might throw Condi into the ring and have all the above, plus the gay/lesbian (http://www.google.com/search?q=condi+lesbian&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official) vote.

S&W 910
October 19, 2006, 10:13 PM
A women or African American for the Democrats is the only chance for the Republicans to win imo.Don't know if America is ready for it

Republicans better not pick Rice

mljdeckard
October 19, 2006, 10:22 PM
Mitt Romney was on O'Reilly a few weeks ago, and he flat said if he was president he would seal the border. Bush's position on illegal immigration has obviously been compromised by his relationship with Vincente Fox. I think it will be interesting to see the debates in '08, when a hardline republican gets the nomination, and looks the democratic nominee in the eye, and asks them to explain their position. Hilary has already flagrantly fipl flopped. I think it will hurt when they are cornered, and their response is a dodge, something to the effect of, "There's room for everyone in America if we all compromise a little."

Has Obama ever taken any kind of position on RKBA?

longeyes
October 19, 2006, 10:23 PM
Why settle for Obama when we can have the real thing, Oprah Herself? Fifty million housewives can't be wrong.

TexasRifleman
October 19, 2006, 10:24 PM
Has Obama ever taken any kind of position on RKBA?

Sure, he put D behind his name and took money from Oprah. Do you really need more?

real_name
October 19, 2006, 10:25 PM
Why settle for Obama when we can have the real thing, Oprah Herself?

Is Obama pretending to be a woman from Nashville now?
I want to see pictures...

mljdeckard
October 19, 2006, 10:31 PM
The reason I ask, is, if he hasn't, I doubt he will. I think he, just like Hilary, doesn't want to hear a word about the issue during the campaign or their first term. If they make any significant policy regarding RKBA, they will wait until the second term. Incumbent, touchy subject, lame duck, who cares?

cookekdjr
October 19, 2006, 10:43 PM
Obama does not believe in the RTKBA. I read one of his speeches and he was pretty clear about it. Can't find the link right now, but if you look you'll see.
Obama's not a bad guy, and he must be pretty smart since he was the top dawg of the Harvard Law Review. But I just was not impressed by him. My wife showed me his interview on Oprah, and I was underwhelmed. He was a smart guy and a good guy, but he just did not have the charisma and strength of personality that Clinton or Reagan had. Maybe I misjudged him, but he did not seem like someone who had enough killer instinct to be president. There are quite a few other folks I'd rather have as president, on both sides of the aisle.
-David

lee n. field
October 19, 2006, 10:49 PM
Your thoughts ?

What are they smoking?

Obama was completely unheard of before the last election.

real_name
October 19, 2006, 10:52 PM
Obama was completely unheard of before the last election.

Unless you were at Harvard.

Lone_Gunman
October 19, 2006, 10:56 PM
I don't think you can win a national election by relying on only the Harvard vote.

real_name
October 19, 2006, 11:00 PM
I don't think you can win a national election by relying on only the Harvard vote.

Neither do I, and that wasn't at all my point.
Everybody is unheard of by the masses before a certain point in time.
GW Bush was a nobody back in the '90s.
I'm sure nobody knew who his father was when he was doing fine work back in the '60s.

My point is, just because we hadn't heard of him before 2005, doesn't mean he is invalid in the future.

And he was pretty hawt at Harvard.

mljdeckard
October 19, 2006, 11:10 PM
I googled his name with Gun Control, and I came up with some right-wing websites that claim he supports various gun control positions, but the interesting thing I found was, he flat promised that he will not seek to run for president or vice president in 2008. It was on Meet the Press, 22 January.

Lonestar
October 19, 2006, 11:19 PM
If he is elected, the war on terror would be Obama vs. Osama :scrutiny:

real_name
October 19, 2006, 11:24 PM
You missed a memo, Osama died years ago.
The Neocons are keeping him alive as a condition red threat option whenever the polls slide too much.

He's buried in Saudi Arabia probably, Bush was most likely at the funeral seeing as he is a family friend.

It'll all be in a book in a few years. /wink.

lowracer
October 19, 2006, 11:29 PM
His GOA Score is F

from ontheissues.org website: http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm#1

* Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
* Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
* Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005

Some more reading here:
http://www.gunlawnews.org/Senators/Barack-Obama.html
He supports renewal of the 1994 Clinton AWB.

No wonder TIME magazine printed such a glowing article about the guy. He's a liberal gun grabber. Beware.

real_name
October 19, 2006, 11:33 PM
He's from Hawaii via Illinois.
And he doesn't like guns.
And you're shocked?

DouglasW
October 20, 2006, 12:33 AM
What puzzles me Real_Name is: why is Obama purportedly "hot" in Alaska? :scrutiny:

http://irregulartimes.com/obamahotnot.gif

real_name
October 20, 2006, 12:38 AM
Doug:
He's probably hot in Alaska (according to that rinky dink graphic) because;

No one lives there.
It's in relation to population density (and no one is there).
No one lives there, just fish.
Did I mention there's no one there.

johnsonrlp
October 20, 2006, 12:46 AM
He's from Hawaii via Illinois.
And he doesn't like guns.
And you're shocked?
Two states that require a special ID to buy guns.:barf:

Buck Nekkid
October 20, 2006, 02:38 AM
You know I cain't see good ol' boys in Mississippi votin' fer a guy named Obama unless they think it's O'Bama and he used to play quarterback for the Tide!:)

OldBillThundercheif
October 20, 2006, 02:45 AM
I worked on Obama's campaign in Chicago a few years back. What do I think of him?

Ummmmm... well, he's in his mid 30's and he's already written 3 autobiographys. That gives you some insight into his personality.

My buddy Chuck Colbert (democratic big-wig) hates him with such a passion that he worked for Jim Oberweiss (super right-wing isolationist) during that election season.

He will do or say ANYTHING to get elected and hold onto his office, but that is not really any different than most politicians. My only beef with him is that he is a certifiable egomaniac who treats people like dirt unless they can do something for him.

I don't know where he stands on gun issues. I asked him about that when we were recording audio for one of his commercials and he blew off the question without giving me any sort of real answer. He seemed annoyed that I brought it up.

Don't Tread On Me
October 20, 2006, 03:31 AM
Barak "bin" Obama would be no different than electing Diane Feinstein President.

Really, it would be no different.

Obama, Kennedy, Kerry, Schumer, Boxer, Feinswein, "turban" Durbin, Lautenberg et al. are 100% completely and totally interchangeable.

They all hate your freedom.

This is 100% verifiable given their senate record.

I am proud to live in a state that does not elect neo-Bolsheviks like them. I believe they represent everything that is wrong with America.

If someone like Obama were to become President, the Brady Campaign and VPC would essentially work right out of the Whitehouse. They might even get their own office. Expect every humanly conceivable method by which to assault the RKBA that could be executed via executive order to be ordered.

Expect the BATFE to be the focus of the Administration and expect the BATFE to be greatly empowered and ordered to savagely persecute every FFL and gunowner. The BATFE would be like a rabid caged animal let loose to wreak havok on the bill of rights. The State Dept would be ordered to assault the RKBA by banning firearm and ammo imports. The Justice Dept. would drop its investigations on child pornographers, mobsters, and various serious criminals, and focus mainly on gun owners, who in their view, are more destructive to society than pedophiles and terrorists.

Anyone of those names as president would utter the words "gun control" about as often as Bush has used "war on terror" in the last 6 years in their first term alone.

The election of such a person would be the election and empowerment of the MoveOn.org people, the DemocraticUnderground radicals, the Rosie O'Donnell's, the Soros meddlers, the Oprah soccer moms, the ACLU litigators, and any other group that generally agrees that the vision of the founding fathers was the most despicable, disgusting and disgraceful concept in human history and that children should be censored from it's racist and hateful nature. It would be the victory of the historical revisionists, smear mongers, and propagandists.

In short, I see the election of such a far-leftwing, gun-hating, liberty hating progressive extremist as a RKBA apocalypse.


OH WAIT...that already happened in 1993-2000.


Nevermind.

S&W 910
October 20, 2006, 07:13 AM
I would take 1993-2000 over 2000-2006 anyday

Deanimator
October 20, 2006, 08:52 AM
He's an Illinois politician. Don't worry, he'll turn out to be a rapist, serial killer or SOMETHING. I wouldn't be surprised if HE turned out to be the real "Ivan the Terrible".

RealGun
October 20, 2006, 08:54 AM
The least qualified of all the names in play. He would be all form and no substance.

Autolycus
October 20, 2006, 10:58 AM
He is not gunfriendly. He had a debate where he argued against Alan Keyes and told him that he doesnt want machine guns or other assault weapons on our streets. This was in support of an AWB. Obama is more honest than most Illinois politicians but as far as supporting gun control he is a sure bet to support more gun control and AWBs.

Lonestar
October 20, 2006, 11:04 AM
Doug:
He's probably hot in Alaska (according to that rinky dink graphic) because;

No one lives there.
It's in relation to population density (and no one is there).
No one lives there, just fish.
Did I mention there's no one there.

Barack Obama probably mean something in the inuit (eskimo) language, like "Whale meat", "Free Money" or "a Trip to Florida", so when they ask someone in Alaska do you like Barack Obama, every Eskimo says yes.

Justin
October 20, 2006, 11:13 AM
He's extremely charismatic, an excellent public speaker, and a media darling.

That causes me to distrust him mightily on general principle.

Hypnogator
October 20, 2006, 07:36 PM
He's extremely charismatic, an excellent public speaker, and a media darling.

That causes me to distrust him mightily on general principle.

Justin nails it! :D

Don't Tread On Me
October 20, 2006, 10:16 PM
I would take 1993-2000 over 2000-2006 anyday

Hmmm, let's see.


In 1993-2000 we:


Lost the ability to own new manufacture magazines of greater than 10 rounds.

Lost the ability to own new manufacture firearms with folding or collapsing stocks, flash hiders and bayonet lugs.

The U.S. Military was no longer allowed to surplus their ammunition for sale to the U.S. public. Bye bye LC ammo.

Tens of thousands of FFL holders lost their license because it was required they have a store front to do business. Thus, thousands of people lost their livelyhood and more lost a source of well-priced firearms.

We got waiting periods as if we're all criminals or regardless of already owning firearms.

The criteria by which one could be banned for life from owning firearms was radically expanded.

The BATFE was on a rampage attacking FFL's and persecuting gun owners.

The AG cared more about attacking gun dealers, alternative Christians, political refugees (Elian), and sportsmen than going after heinous criminals.

This list could go on and on.


What happened in 2000-2006?

AWB expired without renewal.

Evil gun-grabbing litigators were barred from attacking the industry and bankrupting gun manufacturers.

The BATFE has been slapped with a new set of restrictions in an effort to limit their abuses.

Our AG put out a position paper that staunchly defended the 2nd Amendment as an individual RKBA. Thus showing the absense of hostility toward the RKBA by the administration.

Basically, ZERO gun control.

The worst thing? To set up a study to research AP ammo. A far cry from gun-control.


I'll take 2000-2006 anyday. I don't like AWB's. Maybe hunter-only type democrats from northern states who think their over-under is safe from confiscation like the 1990's, AWB's and bubba better?

ACORN
October 21, 2006, 02:08 AM
Maybe if we had been paying a little more attention from 1993-2000, 2000-2006 wouldn't be what it is.

Not that I'm a Bush-bot. His stand, or lack of a stand, on illegal immigration one of my main bones of contention with him.

The days of the previous administration where it seems everything from nights in the "Lincoln Bedroom" to, rocket technology were up for sale.
The days where previous terrorist attacks went unanswered.
As well as the previously mentiond gun-rights abuses.
Those days are not days I'd want to re-live.

Other than the fact that I'd also have more hair.

vito
October 21, 2006, 08:17 AM
Obama is a hard left Democrat. His voting record as a State Senator in Illinois was 100% pro-union, pro-Chicago supported anti-gun agenda, and pro-big government spending. The very fact, however, of all of the fuss over him shows that at least many American voters have no brain, and are willing to support someone because of their looks and charm, i.e., a popularity contest. But then again, this is what made JFK our President, as well as Clinton. If Obama says the right things, such as how he is for the working man, and wants government to fix every problem (without ever saying how) he might just well end up as the next President.

progunner1957
October 21, 2006, 10:28 AM
I would take 1993-2000 over 2000-2006 anyday
Hmmm, let's see.


In 1993-2000 we:


Lost the ability to own new manufacture magazines of greater than 10 rounds.

Lost the ability to own new manufacture firearms with folding or collapsing stocks, flash hiders and bayonet lugs.

The U.S. Military was no longer allowed to surplus their ammunition for sale to the U.S. public. Bye bye LC ammo.

Tens of thousands of FFL holders lost their license because it was required they have a store front to do business. Thus, thousands of people lost their livelyhood and more lost a source of well-priced firearms.

We got waiting periods as if we're all criminals or regardless of already owning firearms.

The criteria by which one could be banned for life from owning firearms was radically expanded.

The BATFE was on a rampage attacking FFL's and persecuting gun owners.

The AG cared more about attacking gun dealers, alternative Christians, political refugees (Elian), and sportsmen than going after heinous criminals.

This list could go on and on.


What happened in 2000-2006?

AWB expired without renewal.

Evil gun-grabbing litigators were barred from attacking the industry and bankrupting gun manufacturers.

The BATFE has been slapped with a new set of restrictions in an effort to limit their abuses.

Our AG put out a position paper that staunchly defended the 2nd Amendment as an individual RKBA. Thus showing the absense of hostility toward the RKBA by the administration.

Basically, ZERO gun control.

The worst thing? To set up a study to research AP ammo. A far cry from gun-control.


I'll take 2000-2006 anyday. I don't like AWB's. Maybe hunter-only type democrats from northern states who think their over-under is safe from confiscation like the 1990's, AWB's and bubba better?

None of that matters!

Bush is BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD. Clinton is GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!:barf: :barf:

Zen21Tao
October 21, 2006, 11:19 AM
Obama was just elected to Congress. He hasn't done ANYTHING to establish qualifications for him becoming comander in chief. As much as I hate Hilary, she at least has a voting record to stand on. All Obama is is a minority face to appease minority voters who don't bother to consider voting records or past service.

River Wraith
October 21, 2006, 12:40 PM
Barack Obama is just as much a domestic enemy as Schumer, Feinstein and Clinton. (both)

longeyes
October 21, 2006, 12:57 PM
The first iPod-generation President. He is telegenic, an African-American intellectual, Harvard-educated populist, and Oprah is his spiritual godmother. His name says "immigrant and foreigner" but he's as American as apple pie. How can he lose? This is a reality tv dream come true.

648E
October 21, 2006, 09:30 PM
I'm sure nobody knew who his father [George H.W. Bush] was when he was doing fine work back in the '60s.

Ah yes, smuggling drugs with the US Govt's endorsement.

CIA = Cocaine Into America, Cocaine Importing Agency, etc.

His son was even a fan of his work! :)

http://hometown.aol.com/laprovocateurx9/images/bush%20got%20coke.bmp.jpg

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