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Autolycus
October 20, 2006, 10:45 AM
Taking aim at concealed-carry signs
Kansas' new concealed-carry law is coming soon -- and some people fear that Wild West shoot-outs aren't far behind.

But based on the rollout so far, I think what we should really fear is an ugly outbreak of new signs and regulations.

That seems to be the immediate practical effect of concealed carry, which was passed by the Legislature earlier this year at the urging of our own state Sen. Phil Journey, R-NRA.

So far, more than 2,000 Kansans have applied for permits that allow them to carry heat in public and use deadly force if they feel threatened.

Under the law, some places are off-limits to guns (including churches, schools, bars) but all other businesses and residences will be assumed to be free-fire zones -- unless they post "no gun" signs at the door or some other conspicuous place.

The Kansas attorney general's office recently held hearings on what the new signs should look like. And there's trouble in Dodge.

An early sign prototype developed by the office's staff features a picture of a handgun against a bright yellow background with the words, "Concealed Carry of Handguns Prohibited on Premises."

Some businesses objected to the garish color. It's ugly. Nothing like a yellow gun sign to class up a joint and put customers at ease.

Another proposed sign is even more basic, with no words -- just a picture of a gun with a red circle and bar slash.

I have an idea. Why not turn this around?

I would guess -- sorry, Sen. Journey -- that most business owners would prefer not to have customers and employees packing heaters. Instead of requiring the majority of businesses to post their opposition to firearms, why not have businesses that want armed confrontations display signs saying, essentially, "Guns Welcome Here!"

Here's one sign idea: Pro-carry establishments can display a picture of gun-blazing cartoon character Yosemite Sam. Most people would instantly recognize him as a universal symbol of firearm friendliness.

Yosemite Sam in the window? Bring it on.

Or maybe the sign could be a bit edgier: "Go Ahead -- Make My Day."

Another idea: "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Smith & Wesson, No Service."

For directness, it's hard to beat this: "Don't Forget to Duck!"

I think my idea is worth considering. It might save a lot of time and expense.

But here's another little detail that worries me about concealed carry: Most people are lousy shots.

Granted, concealed-carry applicants have to complete eight hours of firearms instruction and be able to hit a target 18 out of 25 times on a shooting range.

I'm still not reassured.

You have only to look at recent police shootings to understand my concern.

In one memorable incident in Old Town earlier this year, police fired some 18 shots at a suspect. He wasn't hit once.

Then last month, officers blazed away at a suspect who was a few yards away. They fired a volley of shots and finally managed to hit him once.

Luckily, no bystanders were hit.

Mind you, these are trained law enforcement personnel. How would the average Joe Six-gun fare? I don't want to be there to find out.

In a follow-up to that incident, an Eagle story explained how difficult it is to hit anything under real-life shooting situations, which are typically stressful, sudden and confusing. Police officers receive many hours of training to prepare for shoot-outs. Even then, they often can't hit the side of a barn.

I'm not blaming them. Macho bluster aside, the simple truth is, it's hard to pull the trigger on another human being with intent to kill -- or to hit anything when you do.

I hope lawmakers boost the deadly force training for applicants -- replicating real-life situations and scenarios -- and require yearly refresher courses.

Otherwise, we might as well call this Barney Fife's Law.

No, I don't think concealed carry will lead to a breakdown of public order or some "Mad Max" postapocalyptic society. But neither will it enhance public safety.

It's just a dud.

My guess is that once the novelty wears off, and people realize how difficult it is to live out their "Miami Vice" fantasies, they'll leave the guns at home.

Let's hope that's the outcome.

Who really benefits from this law? The National Rifle Association, which can put another notch on its gun belt.

But Kansans will see at least one conspicuous difference: a lot more signs.


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Randy Scholfield is an Eagle editorial writer. His column appears on Fridays. Reach him at 316-268-6545 or rscholfield@wichitaeagle.com.

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/columnists/randy_scholfield/15743713.htm

This author is a jackass. As I said on another forum, how about Yosamite Sam for us and Chicken little for them?

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TexasRifleman
October 20, 2006, 11:25 AM
This author is a jackass. As I said on another forum, how about Yosamite Sam for us and Chicken little for them?

I'm always amazed that they keep writing that drivel.

Every state it's the same thing, old west shootouts, blood in the streets predictions, then once it starts of course nothing happens.

Keep this article and send it back to the idiot a year from now with a package of ketchup so he can eat his words.

Robert J McElwain
October 20, 2006, 11:31 AM
Let's see. Over 2000 applications. That's less than 1% of the population. If I were a business owner, why would I care about a small handful of people who paid around $300 to get a carry permit? How much did the bad guys pay to carry their guns? :eek: I think I'd find better uses for my store front advertising space.

Bob

ksnecktieman
October 20, 2006, 11:33 AM
I will keep my eye open for the signs, as they start popping up. I love to vote, AND I will vote, with my feet and my wallet going somewhere else, as soon as I tell the manager. And a letter the the main offfice if it is a chain.
Since this is the high road, I will probably leave my cart, full of expensive stuff, with the cashier as I leave.

In case any one has forgotten, it has not been too long since "blockbuster" had to back down on national policy. Personally, I still go elsewhere anyway, but they got my card mailed to them cut in half.

WickedXD
October 20, 2006, 11:51 AM
I'm in Wichita and everyone here already packs heat....we need more armed citizens! I sport my own stickers on my Z71...."My othere auto is a .45" and "Nothing in this vehicle is worth your life" and "Insured by Colt" keep an eye out.

Zundfolge
October 20, 2006, 11:55 AM
This author is a jackass.
Having had the misfortune of meeting Mr. Schofield on a couple of occasions I will have to concur with that statement (he's just as smug in person as in print...actually a little worse because he can't look you in the eye).

cropcirclewalker
October 20, 2006, 12:04 PM
4 pages of comments after his piece.

2 comments outa 4 pages agree.

"Randy, you're an idiot." was my favorite. :D

cloudedice
October 20, 2006, 01:00 PM
I love the fact that he mentions police firing at a suspect 18 times and missing him. He failed to mention that many police officers frequently don't get enough range time, some only get the time they spend qualifying with their weapons. It would seem, however, that most people i'm exposed to with a CCW are gun enthusiasts and practice with their weapons often.

Robert J McElwain
October 20, 2006, 01:12 PM
Side-note: I agree with the above about police not getting much range time.

However, a friend of mine, who is with the Kansas City, Missouri police department recently shot a perfect 100 on his qualifying shoot. He was so proud, he brought the target to the Emergency Room to show me. I told him that, if it were me, I'd frame it and hang it on the wall.

I also told him that if I was ever in a shoot out, I'd want him on my side.:D

Bob

Zundfolge
October 20, 2006, 01:45 PM
I love the fact that he mentions police firing at a suspect 18 times and missing him. He failed to mention that many police officers frequently don't get enough range time, some only get the time they spend qualifying with their weapons.

Thats very telling about whats going on in the heads of antis ... to the anti, a police officer is a "trained firearms professional" who has "hours and hours of training with firearms" and are "true experts unlike the unwashed, untrained, idiots-er-masses."

You would be amazed how quickly antis come over to our side when they realize that as a group, police officers are often less trained, less capable and less safe than most typical gun owners.

carterbeauford
October 20, 2006, 02:36 PM
But Kansans will see at least one conspicuous difference: a lot more signs.


Don't know if citizens pay attention to signs in your part of the country, like the ones that say stop, speed limit 65, and so on... they don't around here.

armedpolak
October 20, 2006, 04:27 PM
Location: 41.16N, 80.09W,

Nice... Grove City, PA ?

El Tejon
October 20, 2006, 05:15 PM
Where? Just show me where any of his womanly, hand-wringing hysteria has transpired.

Guess what, in some states like my own, you don't need any, I repeat, any "training". Where are the shootout over parking spots at the mall? Where are all the innocents killed by stray gunfire as pistol carriers blindly empty magazine after magazine into churches,malls, and coffee houses hitting innocent bystander liberal men in dirty sweater vests and sandals?

If hitting anything in real life is sooo difficult, I demand that the Kansas police, especially the officers that patrol the author's neighborhood be disarmed and their weapons be sent to me.:)

ProguninTN
October 20, 2006, 05:32 PM
As much as a a gun with a circle sign (guns allowed) would amuse me, I find it repugnant. Under English Common Law (Upon which American Justice was founded), anything not specifically outlawed is legal. Using this principle, the burden of posting should be on those who do not wish to have firearms present in their businesses. I realize that everyone has private property rights, but should we really be forced to make assumptions ?

carterbeauford
October 20, 2006, 05:38 PM
Nice... Grove City, PA

Yup... we just had our first carjacking today, I'm so proud. Hasn't made it to the news yet.

That, and a guy I went to school with won't face the death penalty for killing a girl I went to school with.

http://thatsrich.blogspot.com/2006/10/gc-murder-case-no-death-penalty-for.html

If anyone has ever been to this town, you'd think it's the last place one would need a concealed weapon. It's sad people are learning the hard way.

So if it can happen here it can happen in small towns in Kansas and any other small town anywhere else in the country.

Standing Wolf
October 20, 2006, 06:03 PM
Kansas' new concealed-carry law is coming soon -- and some people fear that Wild West shoot-outs aren't far behind.

They're going to be terribly disappointed.

Prince Yamato
October 20, 2006, 06:31 PM
Is it just me or is this country loaded with misanthropes? God forbid your fellow man carry a gun for personal protection! I think what shocks me most about the antis is not their fear of firearms, but their lack of faith in their fellow man to use them appropriately.

bouis
October 20, 2006, 07:01 PM
Here in MS, I see the occassional "no firearms!" sign or "no pistols" picture, but I'm yet to see "carrying of a pistol or revolver is prohibited," which is, I believe, the only sign that matters under the law ;)

Zundfolge
October 20, 2006, 07:04 PM
Kansas' new concealed-carry law is coming soon -- and some people fear that Wild West shoot-outs aren't far behind.

They're going to be terribly disappointed.

Actually concealed carry laws DO tend to bring about a situation much like the "Wild West" ... during the so-called "Wild West", violent crime rates were about 1/10th of what they are now.

Of course the disappointment will be that Hollywood and John Wayne steered them wrong :what:

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