Fair 'No weapons" sign


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ptmmatssc
October 20, 2006, 06:09 PM
Just would like to get a little imput from the people here . I went to a large fair in another part of my state (Maine) and when I got to the entrance there was a sign that said " No alchohol , no weapons or firearms" , something to that effect . Now after reading all the state laws regarding concealed carry (with permit) I could find nothing that says fairs , public gatherings , malls , etc etc are off limits if you have a permit . the only places are those that are licensed to serve alchohol and are posted or state buildings (ie courthouses , police stations etc) . I disregarded the sign since it t was not one of the off limits places according to state law . Concealed means just that , concealed , and no one was the wiser . Just wondering if anything could or would have been done if someone accidentely saw my gun . Kind of a gray area as far as the law is concerned . Could I still have been charged with something?

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oae
October 20, 2006, 07:02 PM
Hi ptmmatssc from Maine. Check your state laws before doing anything and then check the laws again. In Minnesota, carrying at the MN State Fair seemed a little dicey as our state laws say it is legal to carry on State property, but the director of the MN State Fair had signs put up at the entrances to the fair this past summer banning firearms. And...guess what? All of this stuff made the local TV news. Anyway, here in MN if a legal sign is posted at a business banning guns and if you are asked to leave by the business and you refuse, then you get a ticket for a $25.00. But, you have to refuse to leave the business even before a ticket(and it's like a parking ticket)is written up on you by an LEO that has been called there. So, again, know the laws of Maine on this. And, in your particular case, talk to others on forums in Maine if possible to find out what they have encountered in a similar situation.

Just my .02 cents worth.

OAE:)

Majic
October 20, 2006, 07:15 PM
If the fair was on private property then it's their right not have weapons on their property. Now if you disobey and get caught then the most it would be is a misdemeanor, but that misdemeanor could come back and bite you come time to renew your permit. Conceal carry shouldn't trump property rights.

azredhawk44
October 20, 2006, 08:00 PM
Did the fair have anywhere where beer was served from an open shop? If alcohol was served only in designated beer gardens and those areas are isolated, that's one thing.

If not, then you were carrying somewhere that alcohol is served.

CSA 357
October 20, 2006, 08:24 PM
So all in all you permit is worthless if every body puts up a sign? do you think the bad guys will read the sign? i try not to spend my $ where they have these signs!!!!! if they did a back ground check on me and gave me a ccw permit why cant i carry? i can understand court houses, and bars, and the others that my state or county has put in the no carry on my permit , if you dont need it no one will ever know, and if you do need it will the sign realy matter?:cuss: *csa*

DoubleTapDrew
October 20, 2006, 08:31 PM
The sign I pay the most attention to was written over 200 years ago.

Car Knocker
October 20, 2006, 08:49 PM
If not, then you were carrying somewhere that alcohol is served.
Is that illegal in Maine?

chas_martel
October 20, 2006, 09:01 PM
>Conceal carry shouldn't trump property rights.

It is not always true that one right trumps another.

Can you have slaves on your private property?

LoadedDrum
October 20, 2006, 10:01 PM
As far as a I am concerned:

No alchohol , no weapons or firearms = NO BUSINESS

ptmmatssc
October 20, 2006, 11:04 PM
1. A person is guilty of criminal possession of a firearm if:


A. Not being a law enforcement officer or a private investigator licensed under Title 32, chapter 89 and actually performing as a private investigator, the person possesses any firearm on the premises of a licensed establishment posted to prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms in a manner reasonably likely to come to the attention of patrons, in violation of the posted prohibition or restriction; or [1989, c. 917, 2 (new).]


B. While under the influence of intoxicating liquor or drugs or a combination of liquor and drugs or with an excessive blood-alcohol level, the person possesses a firearm in a licensed establishment. [1989, c. 917, 2 (new).]
[1989, c. 917, 2 (new).]

2. For the purposes of this section, "licensed establishment" means a licensed establishment as defined by Title 28-A, section 2, subsection 15, the license for which is held by an on-premise retail licensee, as defined by Title 28-A, section 2, subsection 27, paragraph B. For the purposes of this section, "premises" has the same meaning as set forth in Title 28-A, section 2, subsection 24. [1989, c. 917, 2 (new).]

3. It is not a defense to a prosecution under subsection 1 that the person holds a permit to carry a concealed firearm issued under Title 25, chapter 252. [1989, c. 917, 2 (new).]



And no , there was no alchohol served on the premises , hence the no alchohol sign at the entrance. the fair is on land bought by an incorperated agricultural society , so in a sense it's private property , but open to the public . To me , they have the right to deny alchohol on the premises since it woud costitute "drinking in public" which IS a crime , but cc is a different story since it's legal(with permit) . My thinking is , if you are going to open yourself or businness to the public and invite them in , you cannot tell them that they are not allowed to excercise their rights . Think about this , if I were to drink at the fair I would be arrested for drinking in public , yet they bring up 'private property " to make rules to thier likeing .

Majic
October 21, 2006, 01:24 AM
Can you have slaves on your private property?

Slavery was made illegal and never was a right.
If you didn't want someone bringing a firearm in your home would you want them to ignore you and come right in take a seat while telling you it's their right to carry wherever they wanted?

Busta Prima
October 21, 2006, 03:54 AM
You can't compare your home to a place that offers goods or services to the public.

It shouldn't matter who owns the property. If you hold an event and invite the public, you don't have the same rights as if you invited people into your home (or at least you shouldn't).

deadin
October 21, 2006, 12:31 PM
So all in all you permit is worthless if every body puts up a sign?

Unfortunately this is correct as far as non-public property is concerned and, under certain circumstances, public property as well. All the owner of the property has to do is let you know that you are not welcome (verbally or by sign) if you are carrying. If you choose to ignore him, and are caught, you can be charged with trespass.

wdlsguy
October 21, 2006, 07:00 PM
So all in all you permit is worthless if every body puts up a sign?
Depends on the concealed carry and criminal trespass laws of the state you are in.

A certain kind of sign (the infamous "30.06" sign) is enforceable in Texas, others are not enforceable.

Either way, No Guns = No $$$, as far as I'm concerned.

mmike87
October 21, 2006, 10:04 PM
Virginia is the same way. If it's a private posting, then all they can do is ask you to leave. Which I am happy to do anyway if they are a bunch of antis.

Troutman
October 21, 2006, 10:08 PM
In Texas you can carry in fairs (State Fair example) if their are no signs posted. Since the state fair is not permanent, like some amusement parks (Six Flages).
You have to check those state laws.

Troutman
October 21, 2006, 10:32 PM
It might not be so much for being anti-gun, with posted signs. As it is for liability concerns, for say, Six flags, Toys R' Us, or others that post those signs.
Being in a sue happy society today. Their is a lawyer waiting for that ambulance coming in for that opportunity, to get the most for their "to be client".
Why go after the small potatoes, when it happened on their property (Six Flags, Toys R' Us). It could happen.

Aguila Blanca
October 21, 2006, 10:37 PM
Did the fair have anywhere where beer was served from an open shop? If alcohol was served only in designated beer gardens and those areas are isolated, that's one thing.

If not, then you were carrying somewhere that alcohol is served.
You mention this as if it means something.

Don't forget that each state's laws are different. I believe where you live it is illegal to carry anywhere alcohol is served. The carry laws of my state don't even mention bars, restaurants, or places where alcohol is served. Our list of prohibited places is VERY short. Dunno about Maine, but you cannot assume that because your state bans carry where alcohol is served it is therefore illegal in some state on the other end of the country.

BullfrogKen
October 22, 2006, 03:30 AM
ptmmatssc said: Fair 'No weapons" sign

I know its not what you asked or were looking for, but I noticed a "fair" (meaning appropriate) sign at the local Gander Mountain when it opened. It goes to the effect of:


All firearms must be unloaded. This does not apply to concealed firearms carried by individuals with a concealed weapon permit.

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