House Defense chair asks Pentagon to remove embedded CNN reporters


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Desertdog
October 21, 2006, 12:04 AM
I haven'tseen it, but what I heard was that CNN showed movies of Iraqi snipers shooting American troops. From what I heard it sounded like the videos were shot from the BGs angle, but I am not sure.

House Defense chair asks Pentagon to remove embedded CNN reporters
http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=556948

SAN DIEGO The chair of the House Armed Services Committee asked the Pentagon today to remove C-N-N reporters embedded with U-S combat units.

The network televised portions of a video on Wednesday showing insurgent snipers targeting U-S military personnel.

Executives said the tape came to the network unexpectedly through contact with an insurgent leader.

Representative Duncan Hunter wrote in his letter that, quote, "C-N-N has now served as the publicist for an enemy propaganda film featuring the killing of an American soldier."

San Diego-area Republicans Darrell Issa and Brian Bilbray also signed the letter.

C-N-N executives defended their decision to air the footage, saying its news value outweighed other concerns.

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DoubleTapDrew
October 21, 2006, 12:28 AM
I'm all in favor of getting ALL the reporters out of the area. We don't need daily casualty tolls fueling the people who want us to tuck tail and run. At the very least, they should also include casualty tolls of the enemy to show how we are doing. Everyone I've heard from that has been over there said the press coverage of it is a joke.
I don't understand how those reporters can stand by and film the enemy taking out our countrymen. I guess I could never be one of those reporters because whenever the tape was recovered they'd find the blood of the enemy and probably myself all over it. The media sickens me :barf:

thexrayboy
October 21, 2006, 12:34 AM
If the same nimrod talking heads running the current media were around during WWII it's concievable that we would have lost that war. I hate the sound of the word censorship but it's obvious that the media these days simply can't understand the concept of forgoing a juicy story to serve the public good. Most journalists would sell this country out in a minute if it got them a lead story. Its a shame but the media has only one priority, itself.

Creeping Incrementalism
October 21, 2006, 12:45 AM
C-N-N executives defended their decision to air the footage, saying its news value outweighed other concerns.

Did CNN show people jumping from the Twin Towers on 9/11, and provide a movie of it on the front page of the website?

hillbilly
October 21, 2006, 01:14 AM
I say DO NOT get rid of the embedded CNN reporters.

I say put them in bright orange jumpsuits with the words "SHOOT ME" printed across their backs in black, Arabic script in great big letters, and use those CNN reporters as a sort of "early warning" system for future sniper attacks.

Hey Sarge, another CNN cameraman's head just blew up....must be a sniper around somewhere!

hillbilly

Frog48
October 21, 2006, 01:34 AM
C-N-N executives defended their decision to air the footage, saying its news value outweighed other concerns.

What? They've got to be kidding...

I've severely disliked CNN for many years, and here is yet another reason why.

Autolycus
October 21, 2006, 01:42 AM
Nothing like outlawing that pesky First Amendment. Who cares if they are showing the war? Its their job as journalists. I want to hear the daily casualty report and how Bush and Co. are mismanaging the war. If you dont like it change the channel. I am sure Fox news has something on about how we are being greeted as liberators with roses for the troops we sent.

ArfinGreebly
October 21, 2006, 03:39 AM
Sorry.

These guys have no concept of OpSec.

It's one thing to report on an action a week or two after it's in the can, but sheer idiocy to report on it WHILE IT'S RUNNING.

Can you imagine . . .
This is Lenny Longshot reporting LIVE from the battle front. Oh, look, there's an impact, just behind that jeep! Wow, now there's what looks like rifle fire, striking just to the left of that pillar. Uh-oh, the rifle fire is getting closer to the squad leader . . . oh damn! There goes the squad leader! Tough break. :eek:

Oh yeah. Just what we need. Spotters for the enemy. :fire:

And then, of course, there's the distraction of having to protect non-combatants as they impede the action.

Get 'em the hell out of there.

DRZinn
October 21, 2006, 03:43 AM
Nothing like outlawing that pesky First Amendment.Yeah, because deciding not to take them everywhere we go and help them make us look bad is equivalent to preventing the exercise of free speech, after all.

:rolleyes:

gc70
October 21, 2006, 03:50 AM
I want to hear the daily casualty report and how Bush and Co. are mismanaging the war.You should be delighted with the news since you share the reporters' prejudices.

slzy
October 21, 2006, 05:58 AM
did west point drop that class with shermans" views on the press?

Molon Labe
October 21, 2006, 06:23 AM
Ah yes, the Communist News Network.

crazed_ss
October 21, 2006, 07:16 AM
I'm all in favor of getting ALL the reporters out of the area. We don't need daily casualty tolls fueling the people who want us to tuck tail and run. At the very least, they should also include casualty tolls of the enemy to show how we are doing. Everyone I've heard from that has been over there said the press coverage of it is a joke.
I don't understand how those reporters can stand by and film the enemy taking out our countrymen. I guess I could never be one of those reporters because whenever the tape was recovered they'd find the blood of the enemy and probably myself all over it. The media sickens me

Read the article please.

CNN didnt film anything. They posted insurgent videos like the ones on Ogrish.com. These insurgent sniper videos are nothing new. Nothing is being compromised by showing them considering the whole world can download them already.
CNN edited them too so you dont see anyone get shot. You hear a shot, it the vid fades to black, then it shows US troops running for cover. Look here.. people have even been discussing these types of videos on this very board, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=180005&highlight=juba+sniper

Also, I doubt reporting enemy deaths will help anything. They tried that in Vietnam. It doesnt matter if we kill 1000 insurgents, losing Marines and Soldiers is what people care about since those are our brothers, dads, friends, etc.

crazed_ss
October 21, 2006, 07:18 AM
Sorry.

These guys have no concept of OpSec.

It's one thing to report on an action a week or two after it's in the can, but sheer idiocy to report on it WHILE IT'S RUNNING.

Can you imagine . . .
This is Lenny Longshot reporting LIVE from the battle front. Oh, look, there's an impact, just behind that jeep! Wow, now there's what looks like rifle fire, striking just to the left of that pillar. Uh-oh, the rifle fire is getting closer to the squad leader . . . oh damn! There goes the squad leader! Tough break.

Oh yeah. Just what we need. Spotters for the enemy.

And then, of course, there's the distraction of having to protect non-combatants as they impede the action.

Get 'em the hell out of there.


You've seen video like this? I sure havent.

This has been the most whitewashed war evAr. In all the coverage of this war on Fox and CNN, we rarely see any blood or bodies. They dont talk about the 10's of thousands of injured/maimed American troops. All they show is soldiers capping off rounds and firing rockets into buildings. They never show the actual human toll of war.

992
October 21, 2006, 07:38 AM
As long as we have oeople who just have to have cnn tell the enemy everything ,all they have to do is tune in,and they see America whine and cry about the war,they don't need intel networks,they have cnn to help them .
To aid the enemy used to be treason,now its just good business.
I guess I just hate to see this happen,AGAIN,

Just the way I see it,
992

crazed_ss
October 21, 2006, 08:32 AM
So anyone who isnt blindly repeating whatever the adminstration says is treasonous now? Wow.

ptmmatssc
October 21, 2006, 09:08 AM
That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..."

-Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Peirce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850


"Freedom of the Press, if it means anything at all, means the freedom to criticize and oppose."
Eric Arthur Blair or George ORWELL
British novelist and essayist (1903-1950)


We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. ~John F. Kennedy


Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.
Author: Thomas Jefferson


"I am... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents." --Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:78


How is telling the american public what is happening helping the enemy? The public has a right to know and to form it's own opinion . The video that was shown is already out there being seen by the enemy , so how does it being shown here in the states help them ? It doesn't ,but it does allow the people to make thier own informed decisions on the war .

Thin Black Line
October 21, 2006, 09:08 AM
I'm all in favor of getting ALL the reporters out of the area. We don't need daily casualty tolls fueling the people who want us to tuck tail and run. At the very least, they should also include casualty tolls of the enemy to show how we are doing. Everyone I've heard from that has been over there said the press coverage of it is a joke.

The US media is hesitant to show casualties --military, insurgent, or civilian,
on TV. If the CNN segment is the same one I saw this week, it was snips
of sniper video taken by the insurgents themselves and not CNN reporters.
The scenes of the moments of the shootings were blacked out, but then
showed the response afterward.

I imagine my family would have been troubled if they had seen this report
last year while I was deployed in Iraq. However, I'm sure they would have
been troubled seeing video of anyone getting killed. At the time the politics
of it all would not have mattered to them, just the reality of the risk I was
in.

I saw very few reporters where I was at --and I traveled alot. The few
that I remember: a small team was from a third country (which will not
be named here), and another was related to a military publication (like Stars
and Stripes). One inquired about accompanying my team and I on one of
our missions and then was no where to be found on the morning before
the convoy went out.

I for one am all in favor and making the truth of events known to the
American people as long as it doesn't violate opsec. When my family and
friends couldn't handle the coverage of Iraq, they changed the channel.
Other times, they wanted to know what was going on and, quite frankly,
the coverage of anywhere outside of Baghdad was poor. In general, I
think the American people, as members of a Constitutional republic who
elect their representatives in government, should know the costs of our
wars in lives, limbs and blood. It may be a nasty business to know the
truth, but their duty as citizens requires it.

As far as your political "cut and run" statement, those of us who've been
there might call it a "tactical withdrawal" when the insurgent golf ball tends
to disappear in the sandtrap. Rather than stay in the sandtrap and swing
blindly, I'll let a little bit of wind and time uncover it and then......sorry,
opsec redaction. In any case, it's really easy for people standing
back with the crowd along the sidelines, or in the club house, to yell at
me to keep swinging when they have absolutely no clue where the ball is,
much less how to swing. Meanwhile, there are other golfers about to go
past me on the course while I'm wasting all my energy and swings in one
little place......getting the picture yet?

BTW, it's a not a :cuss: game.

Art Eatman
October 21, 2006, 09:27 AM
A good closing statement for an OT thread...

:), Art

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