Wife looking at better job in Rhode Island, need info on local gun laws!!


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Detritus
May 16, 2003, 11:02 PM
Greetings to all,

Earlier today my wife informed me that she has received a call back from an application she put in for an in-company transfer/promotion/job change, that would necessitate a move to Rhode Island. seeing as how the only three states i've ever lived in while a gun owner were NC, MS, and TX. i'd like to know what the Laws are regarding gun ownership, carry, and purchase in RI.

if the state is NOT friendly enough it is VERY possible that she will turn down the position, (Imagine that, i married a Dem. who UNDERSTANDS the 2nd Amendment!!)

any and all information you can give us would be of help to us if she is offered the job.

thank you for your time

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Mastrogiacomo
May 16, 2003, 11:08 PM
Us clear thinking Dems are out there pal. Glad to know you're married to one of us...;)

Just checked the www.packing.org and looked it up. Looks bleak. Although they say some positive changes are on the way in the state for gun owners, I'd say pass. Hell even in New York (not speaking of the city) your chances are better than Rhode Island. Sounds like another Massachusetts wanna be from where I'm at...and I should know.:uhoh:

Telperion
May 16, 2003, 11:46 PM
Seems that the 2nd amendment is persona non grata for that entire swath from Massachusetts to Maryland. :(

CZ-75
May 16, 2003, 11:51 PM
I believe RI is known as the most heavily democratic state in the union. They ain't pro-gun Southern Democrats like Zell Miller, either.

megatronrules
May 16, 2003, 11:57 PM
To answer your question I am from Rhode Island originaly and its not the most gun friendly state there is but its not thw worst either. CCW permits were hard to come by under the last A.G. but from what I hear they are getting easier to get under the new A.G. and all handgun purchases have a 7 day waiting period other then that its not that bad as said you can do worse.

If you want to do worse you could go to new york or california for example. I think you should weigh it out if your wife can make alot more money in R.I. I'd say go I've lived there all my life I like Florida alot better but the gun laws were a plus NOT THE deciding factor. Compared to other northern states R.I. is pretty laxed but compared to the south they are strict.

Detritus
May 17, 2003, 12:12 AM
Thanks for the info so far... adn i am thankful.

i do note though that the info so far is (due to having come off of Packing.org ) focused mainly on the CCW laws, and while these DO interest me (hey i currently live in Texas, if it was any easier here you'd be REQUIRED to carry), the CCW/CHL permit laws are of lesser importance, than say need for registration/permit to buy and or own.

and it is restrictions on purchase, ownership, restrictions of "named" or "classes of" weapons that go above adn beyond the norm. IE is there a ban on ownership of Post-ban ARs or a "not legal here" list of pistols? screwy requirements for "acceptence of safety" and thus sale in the state of RI for pistols, etc that would be factors in the decision to move.

i guess it comes from the fact that i've never felt a need here itn eh states to carry a handgun for my own defense. but i beleive that restrictions on ownership etc, based on Aesthetics(sp?) are WRONG. and thus such things make a difference to me. while CHL licensing is not of much concern to me

also anyone with info on the area of Smithfield, i would enjoy hearing from you :)

AZTOY
May 17, 2003, 12:55 AM
Rhode Island

Rhode Island’s grade improved to a B- because it strictly regulates secondary sales. However, the state does not allow cities and counties to enact ordinances to prevent gun violence and does allow limited carrying of concealed weapons. There are reasonable restrictions on juvenile sales and possession and the state does have a Child Access Prevention law. The legislature passed a bill which increases the age from 15 to 18 years of age for possession of ammunition and firearms by minors. In 1996, 6 children and teenagers in Rhode Island died as a result of firearms.
http://www.bradycampaign.com/press/1999/hci/082799-2.html

The brady bunch gave it a b- so it must :cuss: for gun owners!!

Blain
May 17, 2003, 01:22 AM
Those Bradey laws are BS.

Wyoming of all places got the lowest grade out of all the states, even lower than VT, NH, TX, AL, etc. States that are much more gun friendly than it.


Conversly, CT got the same grade as MA, which is rediculous seeing as how MA has the most strict gun laws out of any state in the union.

Fools have their heads up their butts. I love how I live in both MA and RI....not for long though...oh, not for long!!!!

Detritus
May 17, 2003, 01:43 AM
just looked at housing costs :what: :what: :what: :what:

either there are too many folks it that state with too much money and not enough land, or the real estate folks are smoking crack!!!

over $80,000 for a 20-30 year old, run down looking, single wide trailer!!!!.

this offer may be doomed just based on cost of living factors. the stated raise in pay won't cover THAT big of a jump in cost of housing.

(we're currently in a true HOUSE with twice the floor space, more bedrooms and many more amenities, and it was only $48,000!!

unless the offer is REAL good i don't expect much from this.......

jmbg29
May 17, 2003, 04:09 AM
Rhode Island is a mafia infested commie-pinko hellhole. Turn down the move. You'll be glad you did.

CZ-75
May 17, 2003, 04:59 AM
this offer may be doomed just based on cost of living factors. the stated raise in pay won't cover THAT big of a jump in cost of housing.

No one should ever think about moving w/o checking salary and cost-of-living calculators available on the 'net.

NY and NJ are more than double the nat'l average cost-of-living in downstate NY and Central and Northern NJ. Can't see why, with all the BS entailed in living there. Kali is at least 50% above the nat'l avg. and the Bay Area is 75% and higher.

RI suffers from three probs in housing. High population density, High taxes and costs, and Low-quality, aging properties. Means demand is high enough that poorly-kept properties will sell and the costs of maintaining those properties will be excessive.

Also, don't forget the NE is dependent on fuel-oil, which is quite a bit more expensive than gas and old houses are energy-inefficient. I'm sure utilities are no bargain, either.

Jmbg29 sums it up pretty succinctly, though.

Chipperman
May 17, 2003, 12:41 PM
This may sound crazy, but if your wife decides to take the job...
Live in MA and commute.

Wait.. Wait... Let me explain.

MA CCW is up to the local CLEO.

1. Before moving, find out which towns have cool CLEO's. Move into one of those towns.
2. Buy all the handguns you will ever want BEFORE moving. It's legal to bring them all with you, you just can't buy non-compliant guns here.
3. No waiting period for handguns or long guns
4. You can even get Class III in MA, if your CLEO will sign it.

For handguns, MA sucks, but it's not bad at all for long guns. Evil black rifles and hi-caps are fine if you have a Class A license.

For cost of living, anything in the Northeast is gonna make you do this, especially coming from Texas. :what:

Mastrogiacomo
May 17, 2003, 01:33 PM
"Rhode Island is a mafia infested commie-pinko hellhole. Turn down the move. You'll be glad you did."

Appreciate it if you cut the Italian/Mafia associations. This may shock you, but my Sicilian born mother has no relatives in the Mafia either there or in this country. We even have cousins in Rhode Island -- surprise, even they're not in the Mafia -- they're engineers. You've got lay off of "Goodfellas" and "The Sopranos" a tad. As a Sicilian American, your comments boarder on insulting...but not suprising. Most Americans tend to be ignorant about Italian contributions in this country and seem to get all their info from movies. Kind of hoped people on THR would show a wee bit more intelligence.... :rolleyes:

Mastrogiacomo
May 17, 2003, 01:38 PM
Although folks would disagree, if you look at New York -- the guns laws outside the city aren't as bad -- this isn't to suggest it's Flordia but it's not as tough as Rhode Island. You'd probably find something more affordable away from the city also. You won't get a permit in NYC to save your life but if you live in a nearby community, you can commute. Something I plan to do if I move; kind of used to restriction anyway being from this state. Just a suggestion...:)

megatronrules
May 17, 2003, 02:04 PM
Oh yes I did forget to mention cost of living in R.I. it through the roof. To give you an idea My mother house In R.I. was worth about $100,000 at the time we moved to Florida. That was 2 years ago and it was a 3 bedroom raised ranch with only a half acre of land! it was only a 7 yr. old house then. In Florida we paid $87,000 for a very big house w/3 beds 2 baths,family room,Florida room,kitchen and dining room. We also have double the land and a hugs in ground pool. So needledd to say I was shocked at how much you got in the south for your money.

As far as the mafia infested hell hole statement goes. Well all I can say is I feel since living in FL. that R.I. was a hell hole! :D But I do find the mafia part a bit much now don't get me wrong here EVERYONE AND THAIR BROTHER is mafia in R.I. if you go by what they say:rolleyes: Being italian american I can't say I'am offended because I'am not easy to offend.

The jest of it is though I found it extremly comical how everyone I met back home was "made" I am sure since the sopranos people liken mafia guys to movie stars but to each his own.

TechBrute
May 17, 2003, 02:44 PM
As Mastrogiacomo said, Packing.org is a good source for that type of thing.

Blain
May 17, 2003, 05:37 PM
"but it's not bad at all for long guns."


Yeah, ok, buddy. MA is the WORST state for long guns in the country. Let's see....what other state do you need to have a permit to even purchase pepper spray, a bb gun, or a single shot .22 or shotgun? None? Well none except for MA!!!!!!!

What does one need to do in order to obtain this permit? Well besides paying $25 to the police, you must take a saftey course (cost $50), submit two photos, give two (or up to 7 in some towns) references, and then you must have ALL, I repeat, ALL, of your fingers printed.

Then you have to wait for the license.....wait an vary from three weeks to 6 months.

Of course, if you have gotten into ANY trouble, even a FIST fight in freshman year of highschool you are AUTOMATICALLY disqualified from getting ANY of the FID licenses.

Any felonies from age 14 up will dissqualify you.

And all that to only obtain a license that will allow you to buy a non high capacity (can not accept mags or hold over 10 rounds) rifle or shotgun, no handguns.

At least in the other "anti-gun" states you have to wait a week or so at most! But as least you can just walk in to the store and buy an AR without all the hassel and BS you get in MA.

All the hoops alone are enough to prevent most people from even thinking about buying a gun in MA.

And for the class B's and A's, they are not shall issue. And you MUST be 21 to apply for them.... that means no AR15s or M1As to a young shooter until he is 21....and only then if the police cheif likes him.


Again, MA is the WORST state for guns bar none. Who wanted you to move to that hell hole again?????????? :uhoh: :what:

Chipperman
May 17, 2003, 07:16 PM
"MA is the WORST state for long guns in the country"

What are you smoking?
Have you looked at CA's laws lately?

With my Class A license I can buy any Pre or Post Ban evil black rifle I want, with a 5000 round magazine and no waiting period. Try doing that in CA.

Yes, getting the license is a pain, which is why I made statement #1. Just avoid the towns with Anti CLEO's and you're fine.

Blain
May 18, 2003, 01:44 AM
yeah....IF you can GET a class A license.....at least in CA they only make you wait a week to pick up a rifle, MA makes you wait MONTHS!

In CA do you need a license to buy a bb gun or a single shot .22? I don't think so!!!!!!!!

Do you need to get ALL your fingers printed to obtain a license in order to purchase said bb gun or a single shot 22?

If you got into a fist fight when you were 14 years old, can you a a 60 year old man buy a .22 in CA? Yep....in MA? Nope.


Now, tell me, who's smoking what?

Mastrogiacomo
May 18, 2003, 08:24 AM
I can vouch for how much Massachusetts sucks. Been trying to get the Class A for work largely because no one else is hiring -- not even strip clubs. Trouble is you need to be a current holder of the Class A to be hired -- and in my city, you can't get the permit unless you're hired.:fire: Tried to explain my troubles to the police department several times without luck. "We have a policy." Sure in four years it'll be upgraded but if I'm STILL living with my parents and out of work in four years -- I'll kill myself! Asked the detective about why I was turned down again and he told me "Look, getting the Class B was a stretch." You've got to be kidding...:scrutiny: God, I can't wait to be able to afford to move.:cuss: :banghead:

I have no idea how bad it'll be when my father goes for his Class B. He wants a shotgun.

jmbg29
May 18, 2003, 01:49 PM
As a Sicilian American, your comments boarder on insulting...but not suprising.Did I hurt your widdle feelings? As the grandson of a Sicilian-American (My mom's side of the family), I laugh in your face. Good to see that the pc indoctrination camps had their effect on you though, e.g. "If anyone states the obvious, cry RACISM! Or some other crap, and hope that they go away." :barf:

The People's Communewealth of Massachewsh*ts - where I grew up BTW - Rhode Island, and Commienecticutt (where my uncle Tony was knifed in the back and murdered), is crawling with the mafia. And just so you know, mafia includes the Irish (Can you say Kennedy? Can you say Whitey Bulger? Sure you can!), and Russian gangsters as well. Not to mention the thuggery committed by other prominent ethnic groups, i.e. Asian-American, and African-American, et al. organized crime groups. Those areas are infested, more so than other areas, because of the inherently corrupt nature of socialist states that are wholly given over to DemoRAT politics.

Some members of my family were involved in the mob. That didn't effect my love for them, nor did it besmirch the rest of my family. Although it certainly did tend to make their lives a little harder. But, since you insist on bringing up the "sicilian" mafia, here is just one of tens of thousands of examples of what I mean.


FBI out to prove Mello ties to Mafia
By JOHN DOHERTY, Standard-Times staff writer

BOSTON -- Prosecutors say the FBI will link accused local crime boss Timothy Mello with six known Mafia members -- including imprisoned New England Mafia boss Frank Salemme Sr. -- and two La Cosa Nostra associates next week.
The claim comes as part of two motions filed by the Office of the U.S. Attorney, which seek to keep Mr. Mello behind bars while he awaits trial on racketeering, extortion, illegal gambling and other federal charges.
The U.S. Attorney's Organized Crime Strike Force prosecutor Brian Kelly argues in one motion that Mr. Mello is too dangerous to allow back on the street, in part, because of his years of association with some of the most notorious Mafia men in New England.
"Mello has frequently been in the company of Patriarca La Cosa Nostra (LCN) members and associates since Mello's release from prison in January of 1990," Mr. Kelly wrote in the motion.
Mr. Mello's lawyer, Anthony Cardinale, filed a motion to release Mr. Mello, 46, on bail this week.
Mr. Mello has been in custody since his arrest and indictment on 16 federal racketeering counts in September. He is the last of the six men accused in the case who is still in prison.
In one motion filed in response to Mr. Cadinale's bid for bail, the U.S. attorney's office argues that Mr. Mello is a flight risk and, in part because of his Mafia connections, a danger to the community.
In the second filing, the U.S. attorney puts Mr. Mello on notice they will seek a life sentence for him if he is convicted on even some of the lesser crimes in the latest indictment -- using the federal Three Strikes provision.
Mr. Cardinale yesterday said the Mafia connections and the Three Strikes provision were simply the tactics of a prosecution unable to build a real case against his client.
"This case is going to rise and fall on the evidence of criminal activity," said Mr. Cardinale. "It's not going to be won on the pieces of toilet paper the government is filing."
The New England wing of the American Mafia, or La Cosa Nostra, still bears the name of legendary crime boss Raymond Patriarca Sr., who died in 1984. In the motion filed by the U.S. attorney's office, the Mafia members and associates linked to Mr. Mello are referred to as "Patriarca LCN members and associates."
Some of the men, like Gordon O'Brien of Taunton and Mr. Salemme, have been linked to Mr. Mello previously. Others named in yesterday's filing have links to Mr. Mello that are unclear a week before the bail hearing.
Those men are:

"Cadillac" Frank Salemme Mr. Salemme, now 67, is halfway through an 11-year prison sentence. In 1995, when Mr. Salemme was convicted on racketeering charges, he was widely acknowledged as the head of the New England Mafia.
Mafia experts disagree on whether the imprisoned boss from Sharon has been replaced.
Mr. Salemme met Mr. Mello while the two did time in the late 1980s in Walpole State Prison. Mr. Salemme was released in 1988, after serving 17 years for bombing the car of an attorney.
Mr. Mello was released two years later -- after serving his term for a series of armed robberies -- just as Mr. Salemme's star began to rise inside the Mafia.
Like Mr. Mello, Mr. Salemme is represented by Mr. Cardinale.

Robert DeLuca
Mr. DeLuca, 56, of Rhode Island, is described by the U.S. attorney's office as a capo regime -- or captain in charge of crews within the Patriarca family.
Federal documents in other cases describe him as Mr. Salemme's right-hand man, and indeed Mr. DeLuca is serving a Rhode Island state prison sentence for racketeering. He was one of five men indicted in 1995 with Mr. Salemme, Steven "the Rifleman" Flemmi and fugitive mobster James "Whitey" Bulger.

Thomas Hillary
Mr. Hillary is the 57-year-old adopted godson of deceased Mafia boss Raymond Patriarca Sr., of Providence. Mr. Hillary grew up in the Patriarca home and was a player in several well-known Mafia cases.
He is remembered most for becoming a government informant during the 1993 trial of Arthur Coia, a Teamsters union boss now in the Witness Protection Program.

Gerard Ouimette
Mr. Ouimette, 61, is one of the most feared gangsters of recent years. He is described in yesterday's filing as a LCN associate -- because he is not Italian, he cannot be a made member of LCN.
He was sentenced to life in prison in 1996 under the then-new Three Strikes federal law that increases sentences for repeat violent offenders.
In the 1990s, Mr. Ouimette had moved to Fall River from his home base in Rhode Island and was reported to be a sometimes rival of Mr. Mello, himself rising through the ranks of the area underworld.

Vito DeLuca
Mr. DeLuca, 58, of Seekonk, is described by prosecutors as a current member of the Mafia, or Patriarca LCN.
In 1993, he was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison for weapons violations.

Gordon O'Brien
Mr. O'Brien, of Taunton, is serving a state prison sentence for ferrying heroin to Martha's Vineyard.
He was arrested with Mr. Mello in 1990 in what police described as an attempted kidnapping of made Mafia member Blaise Marfeo of Providence. Prosecutors say he was an early criminal associate of Mr. Mello and his Federal Hill companion Kevin Hanrahan, who was murdered in 1994.

Joe Ruggiero
Mr. Ruggiero, of Rhode Island, is described in yesterday's government filing as a current member of the Patriarca Mafia family. He is the owner of several car dealerships in Rhode Island and Massachusetts and is the former employer of Mr. Salemme's son, Frank Jr.

Rocco Argenti
Mr. Argenti, described as a member of the Patriarca crime family, died earlier this year at age 51.
He was a reputed Mafia enforcer with a 1987 conviction for extorting money form Rhode Island precious metals companies.


This story appeared on Page A1 of The Standard-Times on December 13, 2002.

Don't like the truth? Too bad.Kind of hoped people on THR would show a wee bit more intelligence....Me too. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :barf:

megatronrules
May 18, 2003, 02:58 PM
JMBG you know being from R.I. I read my fear share of news papper articles on the mafia. Also when I stated earlier in this thread that everyone I talk to was "made" or was "connected" I was simply stating how there are wannabes like with anthing else. That being said I an only 24 but not nieve enough to think there is no mafia in new england or anywhere else for that matter.

As for the people who go out of thair way to brag (theres plenty of those back in R.I.) I have serious doubts as the the valididity of thair claims. Its simple logic why would you speak out loud about being a criminal? Furthermore I just guess they think its "honnorable" to be in the mafia or make people think they are.

Although I don't think I'll ever understand why people glorify this lifestyle maybe its hollywood and all the movies out there. But I'll never see whats so glorious about maiming and killing for money which is all this life is about when you boil it down. I am not judging or trying to be moraly superior here if thats the life someone choses then god have mercy on them.

I do feel the bigger aspect of the mafia wannabes is the respect aspect of it all,they think if they are in this life that they'll get respect. As for the real deal guys they not respected they are feared. If one diagrees I say look to iraq or any other dictatorship.

The iraqi people diddn't respect saddam hussain they feared him. There is a big differance between the two.

nvrquit
May 18, 2003, 04:56 PM
... from Mass. to MD, that being Pennsylvania!

While not the ideal state in any form of thought, regarding 2nd Amnd. issues, it's certainly better than most of our immediate neighbors to most all points of the compass.

Of course, now the rest of us that are outside of the large metro areas of Phiily and Pitt. have to put up with Mr. Rendell as Gov. for four years(and with what he's already trying to pull, it will only be four years!). Still, we have "shall issue" CCW, class 3 hasn't been a problem for those that pass muster on the legal check and most clubs and shooting organizations are very cost friendly when compared to some neighboring states.

Not perfect for sure, but a good sight better than most around us(in regards to firearms that is).

Mastrogiacomo
May 18, 2003, 05:14 PM
I'm not suprised you lack sensitivity. Since you clearly embrace the mob, it's no wonder your responses are so rude. It doesn't say much of THR either to allow racial remarks like yours.

In addition to Rhode Island, there are several million Sicilian and Italians worldwide who aren't in the Mafia. Unlike you, I don't have to go back to my grandparents. Having a Sicilian born mother, I have more respect for Italians to make such a racist post that appeals only to the ignorant. It's obvious everything you've learned about Sicily you read in a book and saw on The Godfather. I've been -- and never saw that kind of trash. But then most Italians have morals and respect for others that they don't stoop to that level, and associate with the garbage of society regardless of what you think. But as you're so proud they exist in your family, your definitation of "respect" leaves a lot to be desired.

Sean Cloherty
May 18, 2003, 05:31 PM
I am not sure where Blain is not getting his/her info, but if you have your FID card you can walk into any gunshop where your money will be gladly exchnaged for any of the long guns assuming that you pass the NICS background check. NO waiting period for long guns or handguns in MA.

jmbg29
May 18, 2003, 07:40 PM
Since you clearly embrace the mob,What on Earth are you talking about? Do you even bother to think before you post?

Mastrogiacomo
May 18, 2003, 09:09 PM
I should ask you the same thing...It was you that grouped all of Rhode Island into one big Mafia family, not me -- and then reponded in turn with an insulting post after I objected to your remarks. Being Italian doesn't make you mob connected any more than being Irish in Boston means you know Whitey. I'm both Sicilian and Irish and no, I'm no relation to Henry Hill. You should think yourself before you post. If you going to avoid Rhode Island -- let it be for a more intelligent reason than racism.

CZ-75
May 18, 2003, 10:24 PM
It doesn't say much of THR either to allow racial remarks like yours.

:confused:

Mentioning mafia = anti-Italian?


Sorry, but that's pretty dumb. That's asking us to deny the truth. The mafia is a mainly Italian organization (with Irish and Jewish associations in the past).

The NE as a whole could be considered mafia-infested when you consider how the mafia controls the unions in that area and how politicians deal with unions to get votes and support by granting concession and favors.

Blain
May 18, 2003, 11:01 PM
I am not sure where Blain is not getting his/her info, but if you have your FID card you can walk into any gunshop where your money will be gladly exchnaged for any of the long guns assuming that you pass the NICS background check. NO waiting period for long guns or handguns in MA.


Buddy...you can NOT buy a semi auto rifle or shotgun that holds more than 10 rounds (or is capable of accepting mags over 10 rounds) in MA with an FID card. You need a class B or a class A permit to carry.

That means,

No AR15s
No M14s
No AKs
No SKS
No M1 Carbines
No mini 14s
No no FALs


Etc, Etc, etc. If you don't believe me ask your local Police chief, or better yet, try to walk into a gun store with an FID and try buying a AR15!

jmbg29
May 18, 2003, 11:30 PM
If you going to avoid Rhode Island -- let it be for a more intelligent reason than racism.Maybe you just aren't able to follow along. Let's review, shall we?

Someone (to be honest, I can't remember who) wanted to know about the pit known as Rhode Island.

I, knowing a great deal about said pit, chimed in to call it what it is. In doing so, I used the word mafia, which you took to be a synonym for Sicilian. Who is the racist again? And try to keep in mind that my late grandfather was Sicilian.

Now, anyone - that pays attention to world events - has known for many, many years now, that the mafia is filled with people of many ethnicities/nationalities/etc. Who is the racist again?

Since the governments of both Rhode Island and the People's Communewealth of Massachewsh*ts are as left-wing as one can find in this country (that's the commie-pinko part), and both governments are awash in political scandals involving direct ties* to organized crime AKA "The Mafia", although not necessarily La Cosa Nostra per se (that would be the mafia part) and compared to 30 or so other states where gun laws don't even begin to suck as much as RI and MA's do, that would be the hellhole part.

But as I said, as a slave of your illiberal illogic, the best you will ever be able to come back with as a counter-argument is "racist" or feeling insulted, or some other drivel. You can't even figure out that in one post you accuse me of castigating the mafia, and by your warped thinking Italians (Sicilians in specific). And just a moment later you accuse me of "clearly embrace(ing) the mob"; for saying that I feel love for my family members who were (unfortunately) mafia members. BTW, one of the main tenents of Christianity is to love the sinner i.e. my (thankfully few) family members who were involved with the mob, vs. hating the sin i.e. being Mafiosi.

So do me a favor would you? Demonstrate some intelligence before questioning the intellect of others.



*Whitey Bulger's brother is the former MA state Senate president, and is the current president of the University of MA. Providence Rhode Island is ground zero of the infamous Patriarca crime family. I'll let you do the math.

One last little clue. Try naming the crime family that runs the show in Wyoming, or Montana, or Idaho, or ... :rolleyes:

CZ-75
May 18, 2003, 11:53 PM
Now, anyone - that pays attention to world events - has known for many, many years now, that the mafia is filled with people of many ethnicities/nationalities/etc.

Not to diminish your argument, but that really hasn't been the case since the days of the Commission and Murder, Inc. when Meyer Lansky, Ben Siegal, and Charles "Lucky" Luciano were running things.

The Mafia has primarily been an Italian-run organization with some non-Italian run crews and soldiers, such as Whitey Bulger's. No one who isn't Italian gets "made" though.

Italians have formed alliances w/ the "Redfellas," Columbians, Mexicans, etc., but they aren't really part of the organization.

jmbg29
May 19, 2003, 12:03 AM
Mafia has primarily been an Italian-run organization with some non-Italian run crews and soldiers, such as Whitey Bulger's. No one who isn't Italian gets "made" though.Big "M" mafia yes, but for years now many people have used the small "m" mafia as a synonym for oganized crime in general.

When one considers that real mobsters abhor the word "Mafia", and use "La Cosa Nostra" (our thing) on those rare occassions that they mention their organization at all, one can see how foolishly adrift this whole thread has become.

A pro-gun person asked a simple question about whether or not to move to one of the most anti-gun states in the Union. The most obvious answer is: "only if they have a gun to the head of your wife, and/or children".

Ugh.

CZ-75
May 19, 2003, 12:14 AM
A pro-gun person asked a simple question about whether or not to move to one of the most anti-gun states in the Union. The most obvious answer is: "only if they have a gun to the head of your wife, and/or children".


Yep. Back to the point.

Mastrogiacomo
May 19, 2003, 08:50 AM
Unlike you JMBG29 -- I don't have to way, way, way, back in my family to find the Italian bloodline. I just got to look to my mother and her side of the family -- and of course my cousins that are still there -- teachers and lawyers by the way. So in other words, my mother and I were referred to as 'Meddicanni by the residents when we went back to visit the my relatives -- Sicilians that left the island to live abroad and returned. You would be called American....which explains why you continue to post this mob dribble like you think I don't know about it and ignore that you've made offense remarks -- or maybe just don't care.

But since you're trying to impress me, the Mafia is in fact technically Chinese and existed there long before it showed in Italy. As far as this country goes, the Hispanic, Chinese, and Russians are larger now than the Italian mob ever was. Not that I give a damn one way or the other -- nor do the residents of Rhode Island that you claim are all connected.

Matt G
May 19, 2003, 11:20 AM
Sorry, Detritus-- it seems that a couple of our Members can't seem to play nice on this issue. Hope you got something from your thread. :(


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