FIRST GUN: SW99, PT145PRO, P99 ?


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vince24L
October 22, 2006, 01:14 AM
So here i am first post about first handgun..
I know i want a compact gun that will be comfortable to carry and conceal.

I narrowed it down to:

1. SW99 COMPACT
2. P99
3. MILLENIUM PT 145 PRO

in that order right now. i really like the SW99.

Whats the difference between the sw99 and the p99?

ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED AS I AM A NEW TO HANDGUNS RIGHT NOW.
thanks..

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Redneck with a 40
October 22, 2006, 02:20 AM
I'd go with the PT145 Pro, I have one in 40 and it is awesome. I'm not a fan of the sigma series or S&W auto's in general, the P-99 is a lot more $$$. Its your call.

Clipper
October 22, 2006, 11:28 AM
...I dumped a Kimber Ultra Carry for my PT-145, and have no regrets...

10-Ring
October 22, 2006, 11:40 AM
1st of all - Welcome!

As for which gun...I'd go w/ the Walther. From my limited experience, both the P99 & SW99 are VERY similar - maybe identical so my choice may just be a subjective one but to me the Walthers seem better finished....

News Shooter
October 22, 2006, 11:55 AM
Can't speak for the others, but I love the Walther. It's a keeper.

Shipwreck
October 22, 2006, 12:01 PM
Get the Walther P99 - IF it is an A/S trigger. The A/S trigger is sweet. They also make a compact P99. I have both the fullsize and the compact.

I also have a fullsize SW99 in 9mm. Got it last year for an awesome price during the closeout on the model - and it was back when I couldn't track down a new P99 A/S locally.

Last year, I shot the SW99 better than I did with a $!200 1911. But, now that I have the fullsize P99, I shoot that gun just a tiny, tiny bit better than the SW99.

The P99 is my fav gun. W/ it, I have quit sinking money into expensive 1911s, because I shoot it just as well when I use the single action pullon the A/S version.

Be aware that the SW99 is discontinued - they stopped making them at the end of last year, and it was replaced with the SW990L - pretty much the same as the P99 with the QA trigger.

Here is all 3 of my 99s :p

(I hard chromed all the slides)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/chromewalther1.jpg

kokapelli
October 22, 2006, 12:50 PM
Vince, what are the features that made you narrow it down to these three pistols?

1. SW99 COMPACT
2. P99
3. MILLENIUM PT 145 PRO

FloridaBobcat
October 22, 2006, 01:51 PM
I own a PT145 and love it. I could easily tell you to go buy that one, I am sure that each person that owns a gun loves "their" gun.

Try out each model at the gun shop and if possible at the range.
Which one feels best to you when you hold it?
Do you need an accessory rail?

Is this your first automatic pistol? Read up on proper grip techniques. I improved my groups significantly by changing my grip.

vince24L
October 22, 2006, 02:40 PM
i really dont know too much yet and havent found a place around me where i can try them out. but from feel i love the feel of the p99 alot. the 145 is kinda wide feelings and a bit awkward but looks like a good bang for the buck from what i heard. but im leaning on the p99, whats the average used price of the p99 and whats the difference in the triggers? i want the a/s? why?

Riktoven
October 22, 2006, 02:43 PM
The P99 is the greatest 9mm pistol of all time in my book. The .40 is pretty damn snappy. I'll let my comments stop there about the Walther.


Now the PT145. Unlike a lot of people on here, I don't have a real problem with Taurus quality control. I can get past the crappy trigger on this gun. What I can't get past is the line of three control levers crammed into 1.5" along the slide. Is a manual safety necessary on a gun with a 12 lb trigger? How is any adult supposed to hit the slide release (in the middle) without fumbling with the saftey and takedown levers?

Not a bad gun, but an atrocious design ergonomically speaking.

kennyboy
October 22, 2006, 03:29 PM
Walther.

Skywarp
October 22, 2006, 03:53 PM
Walther

Big Dave
October 22, 2006, 05:01 PM
I also like the Walther P99. However, if you are new to handguns, be careful with the AS trigger. It takes a very light short pull in single action (that's probably why a lot of us like it). Keep safe.

Xander27z
October 22, 2006, 05:09 PM
another vote for the walther

marriedguy1
October 22, 2006, 05:16 PM
I have 2 Walthers and I love them. Zero problems and they shoot better than I can, if you know what I mean. Only go for the Walther if it is the Anti-Stress trigger, I would not get the Quick-Action trigger. I have not shot the other pistol in your list, but I know that I love my Walthers.

CannonFodder
October 22, 2006, 06:21 PM
Walther P99 - the only way you'll find a gun that fits your hand better is if you commission someone to make custom grips for you. It just feels so right. :)

Shipwreck
October 22, 2006, 07:54 PM
Vince - the A/S - a DA/SA trigger - The DA is pretty smooth - but it is the SA trigger that is so sweet and is so much fun to shoot at the range. It even has a long, 1st shot SA pull, if U don't like the heavier DA 1st pull. So, its almost "triple action."

The QA has a trigger kind of like a Glock or XD - every shot is the same. And, it has a pretty short pull. The problem is that the trigger is so heavy - thats why most people prefer the A/S model.

Be aware that a new P99 takes about 500-1000 rounds before the trigger smooths out. So, if U feel a new one and it feels kind of gritty as you pull the trigger, don't worry. They are all like that brand new.

vince24L
October 22, 2006, 09:18 PM
so what if this place has used P99..how will i tell if its s/a or q/a since i never pulled the trigger on one before you know? any other way of telling if its a s/a or not?

ALSO: if my local shop cant seem to get p99 s/a for some reason is there a site that i can get them from, if so which site, and is there a ton of steps i have to go through to get a gun off the internet thru the mail.

excuse the spelling.

woo18
October 22, 2006, 10:08 PM
Go with the walther, excellent ergonomics. awesome quality

ugaarguy
October 22, 2006, 10:24 PM
Vince, you said from feel i love the feel of the p99 alot. the 145 is kinda wide feelings and a bit awkward but looks like a good bang for the buck from what i heard.
That tells me you should go with the Walther P99 or S&W 99. It doesn't matter if the gun is expensive or inexpensive, it must be reliable, and it must fit your hand. If a gun doesn't fit your hand it will be uncomfortable to shoot and it will be difficult for you to be accurate with it. You might also take a trip back to the gun store and see if you can find other pistols that fit you well to give you more options for comparison. Here's a great article on gun fit: http://www.corneredcat.com/FirstGun/TryOnGun.htm

vince24L
October 23, 2006, 12:17 AM
this gun in perticular is not just for rightys right? b/c im left handed...also what do leftys do when the safety is on the wrong side for them?

ugaarguy
October 23, 2006, 12:55 AM
this gun in perticular is not just for rightys right? b/c im left handed...also what do leftys do when the safety is on the wrong side for them?
Some pistols have ambi safeties, and some can convert to/are available with a LH only safety (HK USP comes to mind). Some lefties also learn to use their trigger finger to operate some controls like mag. releases. Those are some other things you'll have to look into.

sm
October 23, 2006, 02:13 AM
vince24L,

Welcome to THR!

I wouldn't buy a gun yet if I were you. Darn it, there are so many variables in this whole gun buying process, I'd go about it a different way.

For starters may I suggest reading these :
http://www.corneredcat.com/FirstGun/TryOnGun.htm
http://www.corneredcat.com/FirstGun/WhichForMe.htm
http://www.corneredcat.com/Poetry/Advice.htm

Now to mirror what the author above shares, and she is a well respected member of THR btw; I suggest if you have not taken a safety class - do so. Many have a variety of guns they will discuss, and often times students handle and learn the different nuances.

If at a range, or range trip arranged, this is even better. More guns to handle and to actually shoot.

Gun fit is important, gun fit encompasses a LOT of things.

I am all for folks getting new guns, I just care about folks being safe, getting off on the right foot and having fun.

Oh , that author? We agree to disagree, and that is fine.

If you were to be local to me, I'd have you shooting a .22 Revolver, then medium frame dedicated .38spl, before we went to .22 semis, then a 9mm semi. I don't do .40 cal, so next up would have been a 1911.

It is all good, we all want to accomplish the common goal around here, just some of us are older, dumb guys, hard-headed, and we agree to disagree is all. :D

hso
October 23, 2006, 02:55 AM
I've got to agree with SM and ugaarguy in that if it doesn't fit You it won't perform well for you.

When a friend asks about handguns, "I've heard the 1911 is the best gun out there. Which one should I get?", I tell them that there are a bunch of "best" guns out there. We get all the gunnies in our group together and put a representatie of every family of handguns out for them to pick up and feel how they point. If they can pick a gun up properly and point it at the target and the sights line up almost on their own then they've found a type of gun that fits them and will be easy to aim. Then it's a question of what caliber and full size vs compact in whichever particular model in that family.

A buddy of mine points a 1911 naturally. Her husband points CZs. After a little research she picked a Kimber ProCarry II in 9mm. He picked a 9mm TZ 75 compact, but just this afternoon fell in love with a 10 mm TZ 75 . She just discovered the Springfield XD point like the 1911 for her. Another friend points Glocks. A smaller friend points and shoots the Paraordinance P13 in .45 best and she weighs 110 lb soaking wet!

So, if the P99 points naturally for you and when you pick it up and you don't have to adjust your grip or move your wrist up/down even a skoonch to have the sights pop right into alignment then that's the gun for you. But if it doesn't fall right into place try some others and see if they don't fit you better. If you find the right gun regardless of what anyone says is "best" then it will be best for you.

BTW the CZs have ambi controls and XDs are ambi also.

jeepmor
October 23, 2006, 05:03 AM
Can't speak for the other two, but my PT145 has been drop dead reliable. Even dumped it in the dirt when I rolled my jeep on it's side. Was not pleased, but saw it as an opportunity for a dirt test. It passed, fired round after round without so much as a puff of breath to blow it off.

Someone dumping a kimber for a taurus, that's a testament to their focus on reliability.

jeepmor

Shipwreck
October 23, 2006, 08:26 AM
so what if this place has used P99..how will i tell if its s/a or q/a since i never pulled the trigger on one before you know? any other way of telling if its a s/a or not?

ALSO: if my local shop cant seem to get p99 s/a for some reason is there a site that i can get them from, if so which site, and is there a ton of steps i have to go through to get a gun off the internet thru the mail.

excuse the spelling.

Unless it is a real old version, it SHOULD say A/S or Q/A on the slide. IF it is an older model (prior to the QA coming out here), it might not say anything but P99. But, telling them apart is still easy. The A/S has a large decocker button (the the pic of mine below). The QA has a decocker button 1/2 the size. On the QA - it is only used for disassembly. (also see the pic below)

As for ordering - go register at http://waltherforum.com/ and ask them that - I have seen that question come up many times...



QA model (small slide button):

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3803/wap78053smmq5.jpg


A/S model (large slide button):

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6585/21walther1ux6.jpg

vince24L
October 23, 2006, 05:19 PM
So i went to my local gun shop today and they had no p99 but had a p22 so i played with it n it feels too small in my hand. i asked the guy in comparison is the p99 a little bigger n he told me its ALOT bigger. i asked ''i mean the compact p99" he still said the p99 is way bigger than the p22...so whats the deal? i want somethin a little bigger than the p22. it just feels kinda small like a toy. but sigs are too big. hows the p99 in comparison to p22...anyone have pictures of both together or have held/had both?

any help is appreciated. i looked at PPK also but i love the look of the p22 if only bigger.
thanks ahead of time!!

shield20
October 23, 2006, 06:47 PM
Get the end-all of CCW - the P99c QA in 9mm. I like the QA 'cause there is only 1 consistent trigger pull to learn, not 2 or 3. Short pull, no slop, good 7.5#, quick reset. Also packs adjustable grip panels, decocker, nice sights, ultra reliable, tenifer finish, super simple breakdown, great accuracy, excellent fit & feel.

The 9mm shoots great, and it comes with a pinky extension mag and a flat plate mag for 3 finger or 2 finger gripping.
PPK is a bit smaller, but is only .380, less rounds, DA/SA, and doesn't shoot as nice (small and light - even for .380). The P22 quality is questionable, and you can do ALOT better for SD carry then a .22.

lawyerboyleslie
October 23, 2006, 07:09 PM
Get the walther p99. Of the three versions, find the one with the manual decocker on the side. I think that is the A/S trigger. I have that version and it has been dead reliable, accurate and fits my hands perfectly, all things you should be looking for in your first and every gun really.

I had a pT 145 (non pro) and liked it a lot, but I traded it for a glock subcompact in .357 sig (now there is a snappy round!!)

I also have the P22. The P99 is much large in all dimensions. Test firing the P22 for fit is really not going to help you as they do not fell much alike. Trust this Thread and everyone that says get the P99. You will like it.

vince24L
October 23, 2006, 09:22 PM
you do know i mean the compact p99..the stats on walther america says its barely bigger. looks...

P99 COMPACT: 6.6/4.3/1.3
P22: 6.3/4.5/1.1

and ppl are still saying the p99 is much bigger. i do mean the p99 compact.
anyone with a picture of the p99 compact next to a p22?

Whats a good price for a brand new p99c. my local shop quoted me $550 if i remember correctly but i still dont know if they know i mean compact or not b/c they insist the p99c is alot bigger than the p22.

modifiedbrowning
October 23, 2006, 09:51 PM
The P99 Compact is not much bigger than the P22. I would definitely try to handle the P99 Compact before ordering one. I have three fullsize P99s and love them, but I am still torn on buying a P99C because the grip, even with the extended mag baseplate is just a tad to small for me.
$550 is about the best you are going to find right now. You can find them on the internet for $525, but once you factor in shipping and transfer fees it's a wash.
Another nice compact that is a bit less expensive and I have had great luck with is the Bersa Thunder 9 Ultracompact. I have two UCs and one fullsize Bersa and have been very happy with their performance. I paid $350 for each OTD. (BTW the Bersa is based on the Walther P88 series)
www.bersafirearmsusa.com

shield20
October 24, 2006, 09:45 AM
Just payed $599 for a Compact. The place I bought from is is no bargain, but $550 seems OK. It is worth it over similiarly priced / sized guns.

Shipwreck
October 24, 2006, 03:00 PM
My pic towards the top shows the compact P99 next to the fullsize.

Width wise - it is the same size. The grip is shorter on the P99c compared to the P99 fullsize, and the barrel is shorter.

The P22 is not as thick as the P99s.

Out West
October 31, 2006, 12:07 AM
Find a SW99 - you will be happy. All the mechanicals are identical to the Walther. I like the slide configuration better. Best of all you save yourself $$.

Out West

TNT.45
November 12, 2006, 03:51 PM
The PT145 Pro is a nice cheap CCW weapon. Best advice is to find a range that rents guns and shoot all 3. They will all be very different and then you pick the best one you like.

I like small frame .45's even if you miss its easy to beat up deaf & blind badguys.

TonyT
November 13, 2006, 01:15 PM
I have both the reular sized S&W 99 and Walther P-99QA. Enjoy both guns which have proven to be extemely reliable andremarkably accurate for their short barrel length.

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