New CCW method worked great


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PlayboyPenguin
October 22, 2006, 06:27 AM
I just went out for the first time with my new rear pocket holster for my Seecamp. I bought it for when I cannot wear a holster because of the way I am dressed or because I am afraid people will be brushing against me or hugging, etc. I just put my ID/money in my front pocket and put the pocket holster where my wallet would go. I even asked friends at dinner if they could tell where i was carrying and they could not.

Pardon the booty shots but here is pic of the holster itself and how it looks in use. :)

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Wesker
October 22, 2006, 10:52 AM
Nice. You must work out :D

Werewolf
October 22, 2006, 10:54 AM
Tried that - uncomfortable sitting down on it.

Put it in the front pocket - especially with jeans - more comfortable - easier to get at - nearly invisible.

Wesker
October 22, 2006, 10:58 AM
Heres what I don't get. In the clothing you're wearing you could conceal a fullsize 1911, so why the need for the popgun?

wally
October 22, 2006, 11:11 AM
In the clothing you're wearing you could conceal a fullsize 1911, so why the need for the popgun?


Sure, if he just stands there and never moves. Its bending, sitting, moving around that'll print the gun. Did you not see the mention of "hugs".

--wally.

hso
October 22, 2006, 11:17 AM
I also use a "wallet" holster in right rear pocket with my P3AT and no one's the wiser.

MikeJackmin
October 22, 2006, 11:48 AM
I want one just like it for my KelTec. Who makes it?

symr00
October 22, 2006, 12:20 PM
There are tactics for hugging. Always reach under the hugger's arm with your gun arm. That will put their arm away from your gun.

DesertShooter
October 22, 2006, 12:39 PM
I gotta ask! If you're confronted with a life-or-death situation, how long does it take for you to "draw" that wallet, remove the "Pea shooter" and fire effectively?

Or, is it an, "Excuse me while I whip this out" situation, having to take the time to reach that wallet (first), remove it (second), then remove the handgun (third), and finally fumble around with it before actually firing?

I'll stick with the "tried-and-true" IWB holster, with a high-capacity 9mm compact pistol. While it may "print" to a certain extent, I've worked on "body positioning" quite a bit, and if you were to see that "print", you might think that it's a pager or cell phone. Hugs? HAHA! I don't have total strangers HUG me, and all of my loved ones that WOULD give me a hug KNOW that I am "probably" carrying a concealed weapon! If a stranger "brushes" against you, and you feel that you're "made", tell them that it's your "colostomy bag"! I don't think that ANYONE will ask to SEE something like THAT! (OUCH! I just bit my tongue!)

Green Lantern
October 22, 2006, 01:08 PM
Hmmm...I love my P3AT and all, but I'll stick with front pocket carry for it. Afraid I might break it if *I* sit down on it! :what: :p

Zen21Tao
October 22, 2006, 01:25 PM
I prefer the front pocket. A Kahr PM 40 in a pocket holster looks just like a (relatively) thick wallet and allows be 5+1 rounds of .40S&W.

PlayboyPenguin
October 22, 2006, 02:23 PM
I gotta ask! If you're confronted with a life-or-death situation, how long does it take for you to "draw" that wallet, remove the "Pea shooter" and fire effectively?

Actually the weapon draws from the holster very easily and quickly. The holster is designed to stay in your pocket when you draw the pistol. You just reach back with your palm turned in, slip your thumb behind the grip and your fingers on the outside of your pocket and pull upwards. The gun slide right out into your hand in perfect firing position. Much easier than drawing from an IWB holster. I love my P3AT and all, but I'll stick with front pocket carry for it. Afraid I might break it if *I* sit down on it!
That is definately not a concern with the Seecamp. This thing is a little tank.
Seriously though, it does not ride low enough to actually sit on. Even in the car I would not feel it there.
Heres what I don't get. In the clothing you're wearing you could conceal a fullsize 1911, so why the need for the popgun?
Right...I want some of whatever it is you are smoking.:D
There is no way I could even conceal my MK40 on me dressed the way I am without a suspicious buldge or without hampering my movement.

mrtgbnkr
October 22, 2006, 02:46 PM
Another nice pocket "wallet type" holster for both Seecamps and KelTecs can be found here.... http://www.artofthehide.com/ And Matt is a good guy to deal with.

Zen21Tao
October 22, 2006, 03:19 PM
There is no way I could even conceal my MK40 on me dressed the way I am without a suspicious buldge or without hampering my movement.

I call BS. When it comes to CCW, holster and belt are the two most important factors to concealment. With a quality holster and belt even the biggest thickest double stack pistol disapears under a pair of jeans (1 size larger than normal) and t-shirt.

PlayboyPenguin
October 22, 2006, 03:24 PM
I call BS. When it comes to CCW, holster and belt are the two most important factors to concealment. With a quality holster and belt even the biggest thickest double stack pistol disapears under a pair of jeans (1 size larger than normal) and t-shirt.
I will have to disagree.

I would like to see you bend over and touch your toes in that configuration and have the gun "disappear".

I woud also like to see you push you way through a crowded room pressed against people and have the gun not be noticed.

Maybe if people thought you were deformed they would not notice the buldge. The gun adds volume to where it is positioned whether it is inside the pant or not . That extra thickness is usually noticeable unless standing still.

wally
October 22, 2006, 03:42 PM
I guess the 1911 disappears under baggy jeans and a T-shirt crowd didn't notice the need for a tucked in shirt as well.


If I could dress as a rapper, I could hide my Uzi.

--wally.

Wesker
October 22, 2006, 06:08 PM
Wow.

Sure, if he just stands there and never moves. Its bending, sitting, moving around that'll print the gun. Did you not see the mention of "hugs".

If the guy is blatantly asking people if they can notice if he's carrying or not I don't think he's worried about printing. I'm not sure what a Mark40 is, but unless it's a M60 variant you must suck at concealing. Sorry. I've never had a problem concealing fullsize guns, even my 1911 when I had it.

IWB is the only way to go. You tuck your shirt in OVER the gun so the only thing showing are two indiscrete belt clips. If someone does happen to notice them you can make something up.

Actually the weapon draws from the holster very easily and quickly. The holster is designed to stay in your pocket when you draw the pistol. You just reach back with your palm turned in, slip your thumb behind the grip and your fingers on the outside of your pocket and pull upwards. The gun slide right out into your hand in perfect firing position. Much easier than drawing from an IWB holster.

That doesn't sound very easy to me. Fumbling around in my pocket trying to get my hand on something the size of a wallet doesn't seem like it'd be my preferred method of CCW. I also don't know what kind of IWB holster isn't easy to draw from, unless you have seven thumb breaks on it, or you are just bad at carrying.

I will have to disagree.

I would like to see you bend over and touch your toes in that configuration and have the gun "disappear".

I woud also like to see you push you way through a crowded room pressed against people and have the gun not be noticed.

Maybe if people thought you were deformed they would not notice the buldge. The gun adds volume to where it is positioned whether it is inside the pant or not . That extra thickness is usually noticeable unless standing still.

Hey, unless you're packing at a fitness day how often are you going to do toe touches? I can twist my whole upper body with my arms over my head and you *still* can't see anything. In just a TShirt.

With as many PDA's and small computers people have strapped to their hips these days, I really really doubt that if you were in a club environment (the environment you described), and you bumped into someone they will not go "OMG, I just felt a gun bump into me!"

But whatever. Enjoy your pocket guns fellas. I'm simply pointing out how easy IWB carry is.

PlayboyPenguin
October 22, 2006, 06:22 PM
That doesn't sound very easy to me. Fumbling around in my pocket trying to get my hand on something the size of a wallet doesn't seem like it'd be my preferred method of CCW.
I must have missed the part where I said "fumbling". I thought I said it was very easy. Maybe you have a harder time finding or reaching you rear pocket than I do.:)

I was under the impression you have never used one. Funny how your experience differed so greatly from my descrition if you have never actually tried one. :)

And I do not have to lift up my shirt or worry about snagging an untucked shirt tail.
Hey, unless you're packing at a fitness day how often are you going to do toe touches? I can twist my whole upper body with my arms over my head and you *still* can't see anything. In just a TShirt.
I bend over to get things off sheves at grocery and dept stores. I occasionally drop my keys and have to bend and get them, etc.
You might not be able to see anything with a full size auto in your waistband but I bet most people can...
Will they jump to the conclussion it is a gun? In most cases probably not..but I am not giving the bouncer at a club reason to hassle me.

And as a side note, when I go out for an evening I wear grown up clothes. No untucked shirts or baggy jeans. Alot of place we go have dress codes. :)

Wesker
October 22, 2006, 06:33 PM
And I do not have to lift up my shirt or worry about snagging an untucked shirt tail.

Oh, we finally have something in common. Neither do I. You see, my P2K is designed for CCW and has no barbed hammers or fat slide locks that may get snagged in a draw. The Kydex holster is slick as snot on the draw, and it's especially faster when I rub the interior down with armor all. When I was new to Kydex I had a few of my guns get away from me on drawing them. Thats how fast they are.

Don't worry though, I'm better now and they don't fly out of my hands anymore :)

Will they jump to the conclussion it is a gun? In most cases probably not..but I am not giving the bouncer at a club reason to hassle me.

I'd hope you wouldn't pack in a club, especially if they 'sell alcohol on the premises for the purpose of consumption onsite', or something to that effect.

Oh, and as far as your dress code quip, it's moot. A nice pair of jeans/slacks and a casual button up shirt are good enough for me, and for carrying a service sized 9mm all the time.

PlayboyPenguin
October 22, 2006, 06:39 PM
Don't worry though, I'm better now and they don't fly out of my hands anymore
I think we have all had that problem at least once when getting used to a new method.
I'd hope you wouldn't pack in a club, especially if they 'sell alcohol on the premises for the purpose of consumption onsite', or something to that effect.
We can carry into clubs and bars here in Oregon (but not in Washington). You just cannot be carrying under the influence. I do not drink alcohol so it is not an issue for me. I feel that when I am downtown late at night is when I would need my gun most so why would I leave it at home?

Oh, and as far as your dress code quip, it's moot. A nice pair of jeans/slacks and a casual button up shirt are good enough for me, and for carrying a service sized 9mm all the time.
That is cool for you. I do not care for that look myself and we sometimes are places where that look is not accepted. Where we went to dinner the other night does not allow jeans after 5pm, shirts must be tucked or covered by a jacket or sports coat and since it is too hot in those places to keep your sports coat on I have to have my shirt tucked..

Werewolf
October 22, 2006, 07:07 PM
I bend over to get things off sheves at grocery and dept stores. I occasionally drop my keys and have to bend and get them, etc.Don't bend - squat. It's better for your back.

That said I agree with Wesker. I carry a full size gun everywhere except work (where I carry a pocket pistol) and to the best of my knowledge have never been made in many years.

Besides, nobody's looking anyway. I used to think they were but there's been the odd occassion when I got unconcealed and didn't notice for some minutes. Did anyone notice my IWB - don't think so but then maybe they just didn't say anything - this is OK afterall.

daysleeprx
October 22, 2006, 07:11 PM
A nice pair of jeans/slacks and a casual button up shirt are good enough for me, and for carrying a service sized 9mm all the time.

Since when did it working for you have to do with someone else?

PlayboyPenguin likes his wallet holster, and it works for HIM.

Wesker
October 22, 2006, 08:41 PM
No one is trying to say Playboys pocket carry is inferior to anything else, and I'm not trying to convince him otherwise. Playboy, have you carried IWB before? When I first started to carry I did OWB and man was I paranoid. I kept checking my shirt to make sure it was covering it so much that I would have drawn attention to it by constantly fidgeting around!

Werewolf is right on one thing, people are oblivious. The only people who look at the waist line of the populace are other CCdubbers, and thats cool :) It's like being an immortal in Highlander and trying to sense the other immortals :D I was at a sidewalk Italian resturant and sat outside. It was such a nice day I was sporting my shorts and a Tshirt. I sat down, and my gun was exposed the entire 45 minutes I sat there. If people did notice they didn't say a word, and if they did they must have assumed I was some kind of cop, or they simply didn't care. FLA is quite gun friendly.

Squatting, for those of us who don't use the pocket gun and carry OWB/IWB is best. Removes the printing by 100%, is better for your back, and doesn't open you up to a fierce goosing :P

Zen21Tao
October 22, 2006, 10:35 PM
I had a cheap generic holster for my USP and it printed like hell. But when I bought my Glock 29 (noticably thicker than my USP) I bought a $75 Comp Tec CTAC holster and upgraded to a much thicker belt. The result was a gun that prints very little. Yes the gun does add volume, that is why most IWBers buy jeans one size larger. I have seen many CCWers complain about printing and how there is absolutely no way they can carry their firearm then when they finally break down and buy the right high quality holster they completly change their view.

PlayboyPenguin
October 22, 2006, 10:53 PM
Playboy, have you carried IWB before?
Yes, I do still someties carry IWB. It is great for more casual dress. I just can't do it when I am dressed up. It is easier now that I have lost the weight too. Hence the infamous "Peter Pan" photos. :)
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PlayboyPenguin
October 22, 2006, 10:54 PM
Werewolf is right on one thing, people are oblivious.
I agree there. Like I said the other day. people that do not carry just do not think about it. When they do notice a buldge they think it is something else. I had a cntractor ask to see my tape measure the other day because he assumed that was what the lump was he saw on my belt when I bent over.

Wesker
October 22, 2006, 10:56 PM
You should wear your Chuck Taylors when you dress formally. Nothing says I don't give a F better than high-tops and a three piece suit :P

Amish_Bill
October 22, 2006, 11:13 PM
I've got a little P32 that rides in a lightly customized Uncle Mikes pocket holster. (moved a little of a seam to let the trigger guard slide a bit further in) It's completely invisible in my back pocket. I tried putting it in my front pocket but it was just not comfortable or easy to get to.

Zen21Tao
October 22, 2006, 11:14 PM
Here are some photos of concealment with Comp-Tac holsters and (reletively) large frame pistols.

Comp-Tac Shirt Tucker:

http://www.comp-tac.com/images/tucker/st_on_2.jpg

http://www.comp-tac.com/images/tucker/st_draw_1.jpg

Comp-Tac C.T.A.C:

http://www.comp-tac.com/images/ctac/ctac_on_2.jpg

http://www.comp-tac.com/images/ctac/ctac_on_3.jpg

Kor
October 23, 2006, 01:13 AM
...I'm not real big on carrying ANYTHING of significant value in my rear pants pockets, whether it's my wallet or a gun in a wallet holster. Just about every "crime prevention" guidebook and travel guide will tell you about how vulnerable your back pockets are to pickpockets, especially in large cities or during crowded, high-foot-traffic periods like Christmas shopping season in malls. If I lose my wallet with my ID, cash, credit cards, etc. to a pickpocket, that's one thing...it's entirely another thing to lose a GUN with a paper trail leading to ME as its last known purchaser.

I now carry a very small wallet(really just a leather business-card holder) with my DL, CCW, a couple of credit cards, and a little folding $$ in a buttoned or Velcro-ed shirt pocket, or in my front pants pocket so that I can keep my hand on it in crowds. I likewise carry my S&W 642 in the other front pants pocket, in a Kramer pocket holster, so that I can also keep my hand on it in crowds.

Back pockets are now for relatively inconsequential stuff like hankies, lighters, mints/gum, spare mags/SpeedStrips, and a SureFire A2 Aviator w/pocket clip(yeah, I'd hate to lose that $150 flashlight, or my $30 spare mags, but I'd hate to lose my wallet or gun even more, and my left-rear pocket is about the only space left that will hold it).

White Horseradish
October 23, 2006, 02:22 AM
I don't ever carry anything in my back pockets either. Two reasons:

I used to live in NYC and ride the subway. Putting anything wallet-sized and wallet-shaped in the back pocket was practically an invitation.

I work in IT. I sit a lot. Stuff in back pockets is uncomortable and if sat on long enough will bring on back pain.

Been a while since I had to wear a suit, but with something like khakis carrying in the front pocket works well. I don't own any tuckable holsters yet, so I don't have an opinion about them, but I have been meaning to give them a try.

PlayboyPenguin
October 23, 2006, 02:45 AM
I can take the "people stealing stuff out of you pockets argument" as a valid one. I try to be extra mindful of that when out. I usually keep one thumb hooked on my back pocket when standing around. If I was in Mexico City there is no way I would carry a rear pocket holster. :)

I work in IT. I sit a lot. Stuff in back pockets is uncomortable and if sat on long enough w
Okay, duh, I get it now. I T (information technologies)...I thought you were saying you "work it"...as in "I work it baby..*snap*"
For a second I thought you were a gigolo. :D :evil:

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