Apple a Day
October 22, 2006, 04:17 PM
So, there I was looking through some catalogues and I wondered:
A LOT of the new models of handguns have picatinny rails on the underside of the frame. Why not add a forward grip that would attach to the rail? I reckon you'd also have to add a tab to the front to deflect muzzle blast from your fingers but that could also function as a compensator like the "wedgie" compensator on the muzzle of the AKM.
Add weight to the nose to prevent muzzle flip
Forget finding a holster
Any other pro's or con's that y'all can think of? I have seen front grips on autopistols like the Beretta 951(?) and the auto version of the CZ-75 where the spare magazine serves as a front grip to help controllability. I just wondered if it would be worth it on a semi-auto version, if anyone would be interested.
October 22, 2006, 04:27 PM
Don't quote me but I believe it's illegal. That's why the civilian version of the MP-5k (sp89) didn't have one.
October 22, 2006, 04:30 PM
It will be an AOW if it has a forward pistol grip. I believe that it does not have to be registered as an AOW if the forward grip is not vertical but I'd take no chances and get it registered.
October 22, 2006, 04:33 PM
I have seen front grips on autopistols like the Beretta 951(?)
That'd be the 93R.
Vertical forward grip on a handgun=AOW.
October 22, 2006, 05:48 PM
What if you had a strap of tough material hanging down, something you could use to dampen muzzle flip?
October 22, 2006, 05:53 PM
Thats a no go too. The real MAC 10s have thos, but you can't have them on the mac 10 clone pistols. You can however have a sling attached at the back I think. Were the line is drawn from sling to holding strap I don't know...
October 24, 2006, 02:05 AM
Ooh. Good thing I didn't do that then. Too many laws. How could I obey them all even if I wanted to?
October 24, 2006, 11:59 AM
Putting a VERTICAL grip on a pistol is illegal (without dealing with the AOW ATF paperwork).
It's a stupid law, but most gun laws are stupid.
Here's a guy that will probably end up in jail when the ATF has time to round him up.
"ATF has long held that by installing a vertical fore grip on a handgun, the handgun is no longer designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. Therefore, if individuals install a vertical fore grip on a handgun, they are “making” a firearm requiring registration with ATF’s NFA Branch. Making an unregistered “AOW” is punishable by a fine and 10 years’ imprisonment. Additionally, possession of an unregistered “AOW” is also punishable by fine and 10 years’ imprisonment."
Adding a Vertical Fore Grip to a Handgun
“Handgun” is defined under Federal law to mean, in part, a firearm which has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand…. Gun Control Act of 1968, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(29).
Under an implementing regulation of the National Firearms Act (NFA), 27 C.F.R. § 479.11, “pistol” is defined as a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).
The NFA further defines the term “any other weapon” (AOW) as any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition. 26 U.S.C. § 5845(e).
ATF has long held that by installing a vertical fore grip on a handgun, the handgun is no longer designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. Therefore, if individuals install a vertical fore grip on a handgun, they are “making” a firearm requiring registration with ATF’s NFA Branch. Making an unregistered “AOW” is punishable by a fine and 10 years’ imprisonment. Additionally, possession of an unregistered “AOW” is also punishable by fine and 10 years’ imprisonment.
To lawfully add a vertical fore grip to a handgun, a person must make an appropriate application on ATF Form 1, “Application to Make and Register a Firearm.” The applicant must submit the completed form, along with a fingerprint card bearing the applicant’s fingerprints; a photograph; and $200.00. The application will be reviewed by the NFA Branch. If the applicant is not prohibited from possessing a firearm under Federal, State, or local law, and possession of an “AOW” is not prohibited in the applicant’s State of residence, the form will be approved. Only then may the person add a vertical fore grip to the designated handgun.
A person may also send the handgun to a person licensed to manufacture NFA weapons. The manufacturer will install the fore grip on the firearm and register the firearm on an ATF Form 2. The manufacturer can then transfer the firearm back to the individual on an ATF Form 4, which results in a $5.00 transfer tax. If the manufacturer is out of State, the NFA Branch will need a clarification letter submitted with the ATF Form 4 so that the NFA Branch Examiner will know the circumstances of the transfer. Questions can be directed to the NFA Branch or the Firearms Technology Branch.
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