Least favorite to clean?


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real_name
October 22, 2006, 04:16 PM
I'm cleaning my Walther P22 and it just hit me that I cleaned all the other guns as soon as I got home from the range, and now 24 hours later I'm bothering with the P22.
I'm not sure what it is, the fixed barrel or the smaller dimensions ( I have big hands), or the way the spring goes back together but every time I use this gun I defer cleaning it.

Maybe I'll do a torture test and see how many months it will go without cleaning.

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Cheeseybacon
October 22, 2006, 04:22 PM
I've only ever had to deal with my Colt and Beretta, and I definately dislike cleaning my Colt more. It breaks down and reassembles just as easily as my Beretta, but it seems to get dirtier in more places and on more parts than the Beretta, which makes cleaning a bit more annoying. It's a lot more fun to shoot though, so I think I'll keep it around. :-p

RNB65
October 22, 2006, 04:22 PM
Springer 1911. It may have been ahead of it's time a century ago, but compared to today's designs it's a pain to field strip and put back together.

KINGMAX
October 22, 2006, 04:27 PM
I like shooting that little P22, but it is a booger to clean and 'put-back-together'. That little 'rod and spring deal' is some sutff to deal with. :banghead:

real_name
October 22, 2006, 04:39 PM
That little 'rod and spring deal'

Yes, I make things a bit easier by wiping the plastic rod with oil or a bit of grease before insertion. Otherwise I find it drags on it's way out. The mag well is a bit small for my wire brush too.

Anyone have problems ever with a HK P2000SK or a Sig P239?
Those are on my list for next purchase and I don't want to get a gun with a tiresome takedown.

steveracer
October 22, 2006, 05:25 PM
I sold it because it was such a pain in the butt to clean. Very accurate, but I stopped shooting it becuase I didn't have an hour to clean the darn thing.

Ala Dan
October 22, 2006, 05:52 PM
Ruger MK-II KMK-512

Black Majik
October 22, 2006, 05:55 PM
Marvel 1911 .22 conversion kit. Even if it's just one slide, that damn guide rod screws into the barrel lug with the recoil spring is just one major PITA.

I enjoy cleaning my 1911s, the easier "modern" take down guns are easy. Just that damn Marvel kit. I dread cleaning that thing.

Stevie-Ray
October 22, 2006, 07:04 PM
I will say the Ruger .22s are a pain, but they don't seem to bother me anymore. What does, is a 1911 with a full-length guide rod. My Kimber Ultra CDP and my Custom Mark IV are the worst. To me these are a pain in the butt, due to the Kimbers spring and the Mark's comp. This just adds to the joy.:rolleyes:

My all-time worst is not an auto, but my Ruger Redhawk. Though it didn't have to be taken apart, it was a major pain because it was so filthy all the time, and extra care was needed to remove "blackface" with the lead-free cloth. Don't shoot it much anymore, though.

Best is a tie between my Taurus PT-22 which is the easiest to take apart, and my Colt Delta Elite that doesn't seem to get dirty.:scrutiny: I think AA-7 has to be the cleanest burning powder, ever!

270Win
October 22, 2006, 08:18 PM
I'm lucky, in that I've never encountered a gun I hated to clean...

But from what I've heard from friends, the Buckmark is a nightmare and a half.

cdsdss
October 22, 2006, 08:20 PM
Taking apart and reassembling my Walther PPK/s was one of the most frustrating handgun experiences I've ever had. Everytime I got it done it was more a matter of luck than skill.

Ohen Cepel
October 22, 2006, 08:23 PM
I'm with Stevie-Ray; 1911's with a full length rod. I'm selling one just becuase it's such a pain!
I can strip several Glocks or Beretta's in the time it takes me to get one 1911 apart. I just don't see it.

Mulliga
October 22, 2006, 09:03 PM
My Marlin .22 semiauto rifle was sort of a pain to clean.

In terms of handguns, though, I disliked cleaning my Star BM and my Kel-Tec P3AT. Taking apart a 1911 is easy, putting it back together (without getting the dreaded idiot mark) can be a problem. :neener:

makarovnik
October 22, 2006, 10:18 PM
Ruger MKII and 22/45 without a doubt. A while back a company was selling a kit to make takedown and assembly easier. I wonder if it's still available. Next biggest pain to clean is any Hi-Point.

10-Ring
October 22, 2006, 10:21 PM
I'm not really a fan of cleaning P7's or wheelguns....

squekie
October 22, 2006, 10:24 PM
Ala Dan ,Ruger MK-II I agree with you , the kid next door cleans mine when we shoot it.
Thats how BAD I hate to clean mine. And I have Glocks,Kimbers, Turus, Remmington,Brownings , Bunch of Berettas, Bushmasters , and AK's
But the Ruger MK- II gets my vote..

david_the_greek
October 22, 2006, 10:29 PM
another vote for the ruger mk II. my word I disliked (no longer own) cleaning that darn thing. Of pistols I currently own i'll have to say my kimber custom TLE II. thats only because my cz 75 PCR is so easy to strip apart.

longeyes
October 22, 2006, 11:10 PM
I'm with Stevie-Ray; 1911's with a full length rod. I'm selling one just becuase it's such a pain!

Just change the guide rod and plug to G.I. Life will go more easily, trust me.

My pistols are 1911s, Glocks, and Maks. Of those, obviously, the 1911s are the toughest, but they're still manageable.

To be honest, I find cleaning revolvers more annoying.

favorite .22
October 23, 2006, 12:07 AM
my norinco t-54 gets my vote it gets dirty in places that are hell to clean and putting it back together can be dangerous if you let go of the recoil spring "everybody duck"!:neener:

thumper723
October 23, 2006, 12:26 AM
What takes so long with these FLGRs in 1911s?

Mine is a tad sharper on the finger, but comes apart w/o tools just like a USGI one..

http://www.wilsoncombat.com/a_guide_rods_1_pc.asp

They say you need a bushing wrench, but I have never used one..

cedjunior
October 23, 2006, 02:32 PM
Anything with polygona rifling. Even shooting FMJ's, its a pain getting the lead streaks out.

AirForceShooter
October 23, 2006, 02:39 PM
You're supposed to clean a .22?

AFS

wally
October 23, 2006, 02:55 PM
You're supposed to clean a .22?


Eventually you'll have to, as gunk will build up enough to cause failures.

I hose down my Ruger's and Buckmark with break parts cleaner to postpone the day, but eventually even this can't flush out the gunk. My Rugers are about there now, got a fair number of shots where the bolt/slide failed to pick up the next round from the mag, about half wre stovepipes. Happened with two brands of ammo, so they are telling me its tie to tear it down :(

I dislike cleaning all guns. Only my carry guns get cleaned after every outing, the rest I wipe down and put them back in the safe, only cleaning when I start having problems that brake parts cleaner don't fix :)

--wally.

wally
October 23, 2006, 03:08 PM
I'm with Stevie-Ray; 1911's with a full length rod. I'm selling one just becuase it's such a pain!

If the gun is reliable, don't sell it as you'll regret it eventually for sure. It is easy enough to get a standard plug, plunger and recoil spring and deep six the guid rod setup.

There are three basic types of full length guide rods. IMHO worst are the two piece because they can shoot loose and lock up the gun, and I hate anything that needs a hex wrench.

Next worse are the ones that have a hole in them where you have to pull the slide back and insert a bent paper clip or other tool into the hole to capture the spring and plug.

The ones that are just short enough to let the bushing turn aren't too much different than the standard setup, but a bushing wrench does help alot, I use a flat blade screwdriver to push the plug down so I can rotate the bushing, works about as good as a bushing wrench and is a lot easier to find :)

You generally can't just grind off enough of one of the other two styles to let the bushing turn because the inside hole of the plug needs to be "reverse counter-sunk" so the rod can't get outside the thru hole when the slide is fully forward.

--wally.

Heavy Metal Hero
October 23, 2006, 03:09 PM
Llama .45 (1911 model).

Horrible to take apart.

ZeSpectre
October 23, 2006, 03:11 PM
I used to dread cleaning wheelguns until I found out how well a bore mop and simple green will get the crud out.

Other than that I hate it when I have to completely dissassemble my Rossi 92 levergun. Fortunately that's (at most) a once a year proposition!

das028
October 23, 2006, 03:17 PM
Ruger MKII without a doubt!

jac714
October 23, 2006, 04:28 PM
Ruger MK III Bull barrel.

Not so bad to get apart but a bitch to get back together. :)

RH822
October 23, 2006, 06:24 PM
Ruger MKII, even after 18 yrs it's still a Royal PITA to reassemble.

RH

EdLaver
October 23, 2006, 07:03 PM
My least fave to clean is the SpringField XD .45...lots of residue. Most easy and fav to clean is my Bersa Thunder .380..very simple with ease.

hkenvy91
October 23, 2006, 07:41 PM
any ss revolver

gandog56
October 23, 2006, 07:47 PM
But from what I've heard from friends, the Buckmark is a nightmare and a half.

That's funny, I sold my Ruger Mark II and got the Buckmark because it was EASIER to clean:confused:

psyopspec
October 23, 2006, 10:20 PM
Real_name, the P2000 is comparable to most modern handguns. For me it takes not longer than a Glock, USP, SIG, or Beretta.

Most PITA to clean is P7 M8 for me. Easy to strip and reassemble, but it took me three episodes of COPS to make a dent in all the crud that built up. I'm not a fan of cleaning M-16s and M-4s anymore either, too much time spent doing it in the military (although I discovered along the way that dental tools can be a huge help).

GroovedG19
October 23, 2006, 10:22 PM
Least favorite to clean is my FN Hi Power in .40S&W.The super stiff recoil spring is almost impossible and time consuming to get back into position.:scrutiny: :banghead:

real_name
October 23, 2006, 10:26 PM
Thanks psyopspec.
I assumed HK wouldn't make something that was troublesome, I am now one more mental step closer to getting my HK P2000SK.

Hazzard
October 23, 2006, 10:28 PM
Has to be my Star Megastar. It takes about 4 hands to disassemble and six to reassemble.:banghead: Nice shooter though.

SoCalShooter
October 23, 2006, 10:32 PM
My least favorite weapon to clean is my Ruger MKIII .22lr its a pain in the pants to put back together, got a new trigger for it though :)

Glockamolie
October 23, 2006, 10:39 PM
Another vote for the MkII. I got mine at the ripe old age of 12, in 1984. I've had it apart exactly twice. PITA both times.

KINGMAX
October 28, 2006, 03:12 PM
I really enjoy cleaning my GLOCK 21. It is quick and EZ. Never a problem :)

Tortuga12
October 28, 2006, 03:59 PM
Sorry, both my High Standard and my cz 52 are both a cinch to strip. Really ticks off my roommate with his Mk III 22/45!:evil:

don95sml
October 28, 2006, 06:01 PM
Anyone have problems ever with a HK P2000SK or a Sig P239?
Those are on my list for next purchase and I don't want to get a gun with a tiresome takedown.
I can speak to the P239. Of all the guns I own, this one is probably the easiest to take down and clean of any.

kbheiner7
October 28, 2006, 06:26 PM
I have a Buckmark that I have not stipped down for cleaning. I'm afraid I won't be able to get it back together.

However, I have zero problems with my FLGR 1911.

..
October 28, 2006, 07:16 PM
Anything other than Glock.

Caseless
October 29, 2006, 01:47 AM
All non-polymer frame guns.

Iceman711
October 29, 2006, 02:29 AM
My vote is for the Walther G22 Bullpup. You have to have someone hold the bolt open so you can run a brush through the barrel.

There are also 2 tiny springs that go flying on disassembly. Even when I am expecting it, they still can escape.

Great shooter though, and way more tacticool than a 10/22.

2PAK
October 30, 2006, 01:22 AM
My Colt S80 .45 It's tight and a pain to field strip, clean and reassemble compared to my SIG. In fairness, I wasnt brought up on a 1911 so its a new learning step(s) for me.

Even though I really like my SIG 220 EQ., I really like this Colt S80 (shoots well) and I think I could deal with the Cock/locked carry if I choose too. I also like my BHP alot but, its a 1975 and I'm not comfortable with carrying it yet in a Cocked/locked condition. Sorry, went off topic...:banghead:

Dr. Dickie
October 30, 2006, 08:15 AM
Don't have any that I don't like to clean. If I'm cleaning, that means I was shooting; and if I was shooting, then all is good:)

spencerhut
October 30, 2006, 08:56 AM
i used to hate claeing my P22. Come to think of it, some of my 1911 are a PITA to work with at times. Yeah, that recoil spring on the Hi-Power is strong. But heh, what do I care? I load ammo, my wife cleans the guns. :p

Zero_DgZ
October 30, 2006, 10:09 AM
I'll third the P22. It takes three hands to get that danged thing back together. And I have to wash my hands to get all the grease off before I can grip the recoil spring guide to get it back in there.

The-Fly
October 30, 2006, 10:21 AM
ruger 22-45. What a piece of crap. I'm selling mine at the next gun show.

Cowboybootnut
October 30, 2006, 11:22 AM
You have to clean guns :confused:

:D

Actually my vote is for the Ruger .22 semi-auto pistols.

longeyes
October 30, 2006, 12:20 PM
Ruger, are you listening????

tegemu
October 30, 2006, 12:47 PM
Anything ported.

real_name
October 30, 2006, 06:00 PM
I'll third the P22. It takes three hands to get that danged thing back together. And I have to wash my hands to get all the grease off before I can grip the recoil spring guide to get it back in there.

It's only a problem if you don't use the plastic rod.
Put the plastic rod in the guide rod hole, put the spring and rod into the slide, align and push the plastic rod out through the slide.
Done.
Five seconds.

grizz
October 31, 2006, 12:45 AM
Ruger .22 pistols are just plain aggervating to clean.

AR rifles may take a while, but at least disassembly/ reassembly is easy. Ruger .22 pistols are soooo frustrating to reassemble. :fire:

By contrast, I almost love to clean my XD is so easy.

offthepaper
November 1, 2006, 12:43 PM
another vote for Ruger MkII. :cuss:

Bazooka Joe71
November 1, 2006, 01:10 PM
I'm with Stevie-Ray; 1911's with a full length rod. I'm selling one just becuase it's such a pain!


Just change the guide rod and plug to G.I. Life will go more easily, trust me

What is so difficult with the full length? Personally, I think it is easier than the G.I....But maybe it is because I've taken the full length apart more.

legion3
November 1, 2006, 07:30 PM
Desert Eagle (had the 50 AE) - big but has lots and lots of parts and springs and things and is complex to put back together

A luger p08 is also a pain to get back together sometimes...

aka108
November 2, 2006, 11:31 AM
Gave my Ruger 22 to my Son. Payback for all the diapers changed years ago.

made2cut
November 2, 2006, 11:49 AM
Guess which gun I will NEVER buy. Yep, a Ruger .22 :neener:. I just picked up a Beretta Neos and one of the selling points for me was the easy takedown procedure compared to a Ruger or Buckmark. I guess my least favorite to clean is my SA GI 1911. I always have trouble getting the slide back on.

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