Suresight?

[Blakenzy]

Has any one here heard of this product? http://www.suresight.com

This is the first time I have seen it, don't know if it's use is common or not. However, it looks like a very ingenious and perhaps even revolutionary set up for pistol sights. It certainly looks a hell of a lot more practical than your traditional three dot sight, or dot and bar, or rear "U" and front dot, which are basically variations of the same theme. It doesn't look that cool or tactical, but if it gets hits on target then who cares, right?

Does any one here have any hands on experience with this system?

[Blakenzy]

Hmmm, so no one has ever seen one of these in real life?

Would some of the more experienced pistol shooters on this forum or any one with an opinion care to share any thoughts about this type of sights, first hand knowledge not withstanding? Is it just a silly gadget or do you beleive that it has its place in defensive shooting? Do you think that it could be as accurate as more traditional sights?

They say that it is "snag resistant" design, but that front sight looks pretty darn big to me. Maybe too big for drawing concealed from under clothing.....

[smince]

It certainly looks a hell of a lot more practical than your traditional three dot sight, or dot and bar, or rear "U" and front dot, which are basically variations of the same theme.
Lining up the top of the triangle with the bottom of the triangle is also just "a variation of the same theme".

Front sight, press trigger. There is no substitute, just marketing hype.

[Larry Ashcraft]

I'm gonna move this over to handguns. Maybe you'll get more input there.

[Chris Rhines]

It's a large, less precise notch-and-post sight.

Pass.

- Chris

[10-Ring]

Seems a little too gimmicky IMO...:scrutiny:

[XDKingslayer]

Nobody has heard of it because it hasn't been mass produced yet. They are going live soon. Here is the text of my last update from them.

Great News!

The sights just came back from the machinist, and they're
looking good. They are constructed from 4140 steel, which
is an extremely hard, durable steel. They have been finished
with an attractive matte black phosphate finish. But that's
not tough enough.

On top of the phosphate finish, they were sent out today
to be treated with Black T. Black T is one of the most
rust resistant and durable metal finishes available.
It's what U.S. Navy uses to treat their deck guns, because
metal treated with it simply won't rust. This finish
will give the sights an even deeper black appearance,
and add to their durability.

Once our sights have been appropriately rustproofed with
Black T, they'll be sent off to be coated with our proprietary
yellow coating.

In addition to being extremely bright and naturally visible
under most light conditions, this coating will actually glow
when charged with light. A short burst with a bright
flashlight like a SureFire can yield as much as an hour of
usable light. The polymer coating we are using was developed
specifically for SureSight. It is designed to be extremely
durable, solvent-resistant and scratch resistant.

After the sights have been coated, they'll be packaged and
ready for your purchase.

We will keep you posted with emails as we approach the
release date.

Once again, I'd like to thank you for you patience and
continued interest in SureSight. While we still can't
offer a precise release date, the wait is quickly coming
to an end.

We look forward to doing business with you in the near
future.

As always, if you have any questions, comments or suggestions,
please feel free to contact me at this email address.

All the best,

Chaim Stein
President, SureSight LLC

SureSight, LLC, 1171 S. Robertson Blvd, #123, Los Angeles, CA 90035, USA

[GunnySkox]

It looks pretty cool, and, I mean, the concept seems pretty sound; a really big front sight would be easier to pick up, and I can't see that it would be any more difficult to line up with the rear sight than the sights we already use.

Of course, I can't hit the broad side of much of a damn thing with a pistol, so my opinion is wholly unqualified.

~GnSx

[Slimjim]

Steyr thought it worked well enough, their version atleast.

[frankt]

I have shot them on a Glock 34 in IDPA for about a year. They are a very fast and precise shooting system especially for those of us with old eyes.

They really appear to be glowing and the front sight is just floating out there waiting for you to make the triangle and fir the shot.

They have been off the market for a while after the contract was pulled from Truglo due to some reliability problems.

I understand they will soon be back on the market.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/frankt/glock34sights.jpg

[mactex]

Does anyone have an idea about the cost? I looked at the website, but did see any pricing.

[smince]

a really big front sight would be easier to pick up,
XS Big Dot tritium express pistol sight
http://www.xssights.com/store/handgun.html

[LightningJoe]

Looks like the "sights" on a Kel-Tec P-32 (1st generation). Those kind of sights always worked well for me. Very fast acquisition.

[Leibster]

Hello Everyone,

My name is Chaim Stein, and I'm the inventor of SureSight. We hope to be back in the marketplace in the very near future.

I would like to address some of the posts here:

smince,
While what you say is true at one level--"Lining up the top of the triangle with the bottom of the triangle is also just "a variation of the same theme", SureSight works on other levels as well.

First, we humans are hard-wired to complete shapes. This is an inborn ability (known as the Gestalt Principle of Closure) that everyone with normal brain function already possesses. Therefore, the likelihood of being able to perform a task which we are already hard-wired for while under stress is relatively high.

Second, as far as I know, SureSight is the only sight developed specifically to be aimable while the focus of your eye is on the target. While focusing on the front sight will often yield greater accuracy, this typically doesn't happen in actual shootings. It is simply a physiological reality that it takes about .75 seconds for a normal, healthy set of eyes to shift focal lengths (like from your target to the front sight). Three quarters of a second is a Very Long Time in a gunfight. Aside from this, there is a very real possibiltiy that you will not possess the capability of front sight focus while under stress. There is a common physiological symptom of the "fight or flight" reflex called "Distance Only Eyesight". A person so affected will be physiologically unable to focus on his front sight, regardless of prior training. The SureSight was specifically designed to be useable under such conditions.

Slimjim,
In use, the SureSight is quite different than the Steyr sight. But if you liked their sight, there is an excellent chance you'll LOVE SureSight.

frankt,
Glad to see you're still liking your sights!

mactex,
Cost is set at $89.

LightningJoe,
If you liked the Kel-Tec "sights", you'll really love these!

If any of you have any questions for me, please feel free to ask! And if you're interested in receiving updates and a chance to purchase these sights before they're publicly available, please sign up here (http://www.suresight.com/adtrackz/go.php?c=thr).

A common question I get about these sights is snagging. I carefully designed these sights to be carry sights from the get-go, and I considered every angle on them. I have also tested them quite extensively. I can state with confidence that these sights simply will not snag, and will fit in all standard holsters.

All the best,

Chaim Stein
President, SureSight LLC

[smince]

Thanks for the reply, but I have no clue who you are. What I do know of is respected shooting instructors who have taught aimed fire with very positive results for decades.
While focusing on the front sight will often yield greater accuracy, this typically doesn't happen in actual shootings
True, it typically doesn't happen in shootings. That is a training/practice problem, not a problem to be fixed with gimmicky sighting systems. Also the reason we have 40+ round shootings in reported police situations with only a peripheral leg or arm hit.

There are numerous after-action reports from the different schools of properly trained people claiming they didn't see anything but the front sight as they squeezed the trigger.

there is a very real possibiltiy that you will not possess the capability of front sight focus while under stress...A person so affected will be physiologically unable to focus on his front sight, regardless of prior training. The SureSight was specifically designed to be useable under such conditions.

Again, good marketing hype, but I would need more hard proof. I've been shooting for a lot of years, and I've seen a lot of (and wasted a lot of money on) promises to make me a better shooter through technology. No such thing as a free lunch.

I'm all for free enterprise. The more money you make, the better for the economy. Good Luck.

[Leibster]

smince,
It seems that you agree with me that the vast majority of law-abiding people involved in a shootout with a handgun do not use the sights.

While it's true that more highly trained people can (and often do) use the sights under stress, not everyone who carries or keeps a handgun for self protection has the time or financial resources to spend on the added ammunition, range time, and instructors. And among those in the position to get "proper training", there are still a great deal who have no recollection of seeing their sights. Why would you think that newer technology can't possibly give these people an edge?

I respect your requirement for more "hard proof". After all, these are new sights, and they are different from anything you've ever used before. If you choose buy a set and you don't like them, I'll refund your $89. That way, you can try them out and get all the "hard proof" you require with almost no risk. I'd love to hear your first hand impressions of them--good OR bad.

--Chaim

[JPipes]

I actually had the new version delivered and installed this afternoon, and I'll be going to the range tomorrow. My first impression, however, is that these sights are great. They look and feel durable, and I don't think they will snag on any holster. They line up very naturally for me on my G26.

more to come....

[JPipes]

I'm back from the range, and the sights worked well. That is to say, they worked well for me. I only had time to shoot 100 rounds, and there were only two problems that I saw, and both were not the fault of Suresight. First, the front sight worked its way loose, but I think the smith that installed the sights either forgot the loctite, or what he put on did not hold. Secondly, I was shooting left...which I always seem to do with my G26 as I'm getting used to shooting a subcompact.

I really, really like these sights. Suresight did a great job, and they work well for what I use them for. I'd say they definitely were worth the $90 bucks.

[ripcurlksm]

Good concept, nice website...as a suggesition lose the sounds on your navigation bar and make the flash website intro an option to see from your homepage instead of playing from the start! ;) Lookin good though.

[Sandan Judoka]

Just had mine put on my G22 today. Stoked to go bust a cap or two. Shooting an IDPA match with them on January 6, so we'll see.

Ordered a G34 today, and if the match goes well, I'm going to order another set for that one too. Bottom line, I don't have to work to find these things; they just appear.

I shoot Crimson Trace LaserGrips on my J frame, and wish that I could mount the new Glock model on my IDPA gun; maybe someday there'll be a "visible dot" division. In the meantime, these seem to be the closest thing to being able to focus on the target (that is, assess the threat) and still have your point of impact readily apparent (rather than having to shift focus back to the front sight).

I'll let the crew here know how it goes...

--
Ken
Anchorage, AK

[Warren]

I had a set installed on my SIG P220.

They work great. My eyes are not what they used to be and visually "grabbing" that front sight is so much easier now.

I can shoot faster and more accurately.

So yeah, I like 'em.

[Dave1]

I am quite skeptical of a new product such as this and would never purchase without first having an opportunity to see it in hand and try it out.

That said, my suggestion to the mfg./supplier would be to provide a set of these sights to every stocking dealer. The dealer could mount the sights on a rental or demo handgun to be used at his range or the dealer could mount them on a plastic model handgun so as customers could look at and experiment with the new product. That way all prospective buyers/customers could see it/try it for themselves. If the product is as good as it is made out to be, it would sell itself.

Dave1