.457 Conical


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dwave
October 23, 2006, 03:13 PM
I got a box of Buffalo .457 conical pistol bullet to try out in my Remington 1858. They cost $9.59 per box and have 50 per box. They also come with wads. Loading was easy. They had a reduced heel on they and fit into the chambers very well. I pushed them in until it hit the end of the heel and finished with the loading lever. The Remingtons have plenty of of room for loading conical bullets. All of them loaded straight in with no problems. Bullets are 190 gr. Fouling seemed to increase using these rounds. The barrel had more fouling in it after shooting than round balls.

Loads:
30 gr. Goex BP
#10 CCI caps
Used included wads
No grease over the chamber
20 Yards distance

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=46801&stc=1&d=1161626598

Accuracy was pretty decent. I kept a pretty good group with the first two cylinders, with a couple off, but that was probably me. The third cylinder was not so good. I was not able to group them at all and only hit it 4 times. The fouling really affects the conicals badly. The numbers on the target shows what cylinder load I was shooting, 1 being the first cylinder full. Overall I like them, but at $9.59 per box, I wouldn't buy them all the time.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=46800&stc=1&d=1161626587

Sorry this pic is a little blurry, but the camera batteries died and I couldn't take another.

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AirForceShooter
October 23, 2006, 03:40 PM
Thanks for the post.
I always wondered about conicals in a Remy.

AFS

dwave
October 23, 2006, 04:03 PM
I like to review new stuff and post the results. Personally I liked shooting the conicals. It was louder and had more recoil, but the price of them would keep me from buying them all the time. The local store here sells them for $9.59/box but you only get 50. It is nice that they do come with wads though.

Shawnee
October 23, 2006, 05:11 PM
Hi DWave...

Good post, Dwave !!! It's really helpful and interesting to see posts like that one! Wonder how they might do in my 1851 Navy or Ruger Old Army...
IF I can find them around here. If I try some I'll post the results.

Many thanks!! :)

dwave
October 23, 2006, 05:25 PM
Thanks Shawnee, I also have reviewed the same bullets in .375 using my Pietta 1851. Here is the review. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=188835) There is a picture of my target part way down, but the first post gives my thoughts. The target was also shot by one of my friends, I have a little piece explaining, but I have my shots circled in red.

mec
October 24, 2006, 12:27 AM
Available through Dixie Gun Works or Thunder Ridge
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32242&d=1133753221


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32243&d=1133753277

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=46840&stc=1&d=1161660634

Shawnee
October 24, 2006, 01:52 AM
Hi MEC...

ShaZAAaam, MEC! Those groups are pretty impressive! You could deer hunt with that "Old Army"! :eek:

DWave... the .36 groups are decent enough but I think your .44 may be showing more promise with the conicals, especially if it is easier to load without deforming the bullet. :)

dwave
October 24, 2006, 01:59 AM
I think if I would have shot from a bench I would have done better, I had a couple that I messed up on. I might shoot them again from 50 yards to see how they do from a 1858.

Nice shooting Mec, looks like I need to shoot again anyways, your target looks better than mine. :)

mec
October 24, 2006, 09:18 AM
those groups really don't count as I shot them from a bench and the 50 yards rested over my knees. The 36 buffalo bullets are real accurate too.
Kind of handy with this rig as the stock makes the gun shoot low with rb loads. These bullets brough it up to the right elevation though they shoot about an inch to the left at this range
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=30596&d=1130790133

Steve499
October 24, 2006, 09:24 AM
Dang!

Manyirons
October 24, 2006, 09:29 AM
Not ta hijack but tha BOSS does em better! an in h.p. too! He's on tha mend from pneumonia shops open as a tha first fer custom work stock items still shipped.

Shawnee
October 24, 2006, 09:41 AM
:what: :eek:

Lawdy, Lawdy !! Dat is SUM a'shootin' der, Mssr MEC, Suh !!! You dun put de lime in de coconut fo SHO !!!! LAWD-ha-Mercy !!

Cool lookin' outfit too. :)

mec
October 24, 2006, 09:52 AM
"BOSS does em better! an in h.p. too! He's on tha mend from pneumonia shops "

That is the truth. Both the .36 and .44 Ram Loks load easy and group well. The bullets cut a wadcutter hole and should be superior for game.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=44949&d=1158360667

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=44950&d=1158360680
The wads tend to ride up in the hollow base with the bullets but are particularly good for RB loads. I managed to shoot through a clean bore for 18 rounds without wiping the bore with ball loads and lucked this group:
http://www.bigironbarrels.com/forum/attachments/mec0003_146.jpg

dwave
October 24, 2006, 10:02 AM
When I get the ramloc bullets I will post how they do on the forums too. I can't wait to get a few to test drive, they look like well designed bullets.

Manyirons! This is the second thread of mine you hijacked! :) Give me my thunder back! :cool:

Manyirons
October 24, 2006, 10:07 AM
Hi Mec

Jus waits till ya sees tha h.p. workin. Theys two kinds, ones fer big guns an loads an tha others fer slower guns like tha Colt Army. Bigger an smaller hollows an design.

When ya puts tha BIG h.p. in a big load gun an yer pushin it at 1200 an more feet, LAWDY!!! Grounhogs an such jus blow up!

BOSS made em sos even from a slow gun theys gonna open at fifty yards an nail whatcher shootin like deer.

Manyirons
October 24, 2006, 10:10 AM
AW HELL Dwave!

An i din even THINK about hijackin this one deliberate like! I jus hadda chance ta sit an drink some coffee afor my ol lady puts me ta work aroun here!

Aint no fun lessin ya does it WANTIN too.

Shes yers again, taker away!

Shawnee
October 24, 2006, 10:22 AM
Hi Dwave and MEC...

Looks like that Swiss fffg is pretty consistant. Does it do that well most of the time? How is it for clean-up?

Many thanks :)

Manyirons
October 24, 2006, 10:31 AM
Look at tha photos a tha barrels, when ya uses SWISS er pyrodex er 777 AN tha BIGIRON WADS theys shoots clean.

SWISS a little hotter an cleaner burin than goex an clean up jus tha same way.

dwave
October 24, 2006, 12:18 PM
Nope, aint no fun if you don't want to do it. Guess that is why you pirate my threads! :neener:

Shawnee, I have no experience with the Swiss powder because I haven't been able to get my hands on some to test it out, but I can tell you about some of the other powders.

Goex Black Powder: I get consistent loads with it. Being true BP it is corrosive and will rust your gun if you let it go. I clean it with Hot water and soap and take the gun completely apart when I use it. Since Swiss is BP too, cleanup would be the same for me.

Pyrodex: I call it Pyrosucks at home because I don't like it. It seems to be more corrosive than BP. I will give it credit where it is due, it is very consistent. In my guns it shoots accurately and I only use it when I can't get BP and I need good accuracy. I also clean it with Hot soapy water, and take the gun completely apart.

777: This is powerful stuff. Maker recommends reducing loads by 15%. From my experiences it shoots better in rifles than pistols. It can be hard to get consistency from it, but when you do, it is a decently accurate powder. Cleanup is great, it just needs water. It is low corrosive and usually I don't take the gun completely apart when I shoot this. I shoot my BP guns almost every weekend and I take it apart about every two weeks.

American Pioneer Powder: Stuff is very weak, but it always shot pretty good from my pistols. If you are hunting, I wouldn't use this stuff. The fouling from shooting APP is greasy and works like a lube. Corrosiveness and cleanup are very close to 777. Water cleanup and I don't break the gun down every time I use it.

How I would rate the powders for consistency and accuracy:
Black Powder->Pyrodex->American Pioneer->777
(course that is my opinion)

Power I would rate:
777->Pyrodex or Black powder (depends on Maker of BP)->American Pioneer

mec
October 24, 2006, 01:16 PM
Swiss is more consistent in grain size and the components are more compressed than goex and other black powders. Swiss thrown from a measure calibrated for Goex will weigh a bit more. even when loaded with the same scale weight as goex, it has more energy. I don't find it more or less prone to fouling than goex.

In the same volume, swiss and pyrodex p are very close in velocity. Sometimes one is faster and sometimes the other.

Shawnee
October 24, 2006, 02:04 PM
Thanks for the compare/contrast, Lads. That's the kind of thing that really helps a BP Greenhorn like me.:D

In your experience are all of those powders affected about the same by cold weather?:confused:

mec
October 24, 2006, 03:24 PM
cold weather. I/ve clocked them in a fairly wide range of temperatures and haven't noticed any difference.
Storage:
I've shot Black powder ranging from sixty to 90+ years generally stored under unknown but probably not ideal conditions. They are fifty fps at the most slower than new goex.

Pyrodex P. We found a partial can that had been in a garage since the second year it was out. this averaged 50fps or less slower than a new can. Temperatures ranged from -5 to 110F

dwave
October 24, 2006, 03:28 PM
That has been my experience too, I have never noticed a difference in the way a powder shoots because of temperatures, only the way I shoot because my hands are shaking because of the cold! :)

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