Left handed AR-15???


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JLStorm
October 24, 2006, 05:52 AM
Does anyone make an ar-15 type model in 223 or 308 with the ejection port on the left hand side so the brass doesnt hit me in the face??? I have been debating getting an ar-15 or m4 type model for a while, but the fact that I am a left handed shooter and all these weapons seem to be made exclusively for right handers has kept me from taking the plunge.

If there isnt any companies that make these for left handers, are there any left handed shooters that have gotten around this??

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Fosbery
October 24, 2006, 06:07 AM
I am left handed and I shoot right handed ARs without any problem. If you feel you need some extra protection, there are after market brass deflectors that you can attach.

BamBam-31
October 24, 2006, 06:12 AM
www.stagarms.com

;)

aaronrkelly
October 24, 2006, 06:19 AM
Stag Arms makes left handed AR15s.

http://www.stagarms.com/leftyrifles.html

http://www.stagarms.com/cart/images/stag_arms_model1l.gif

JLStorm
October 24, 2006, 06:42 AM
How is the quality of the stag arms weapons?? I havent heard of them before (not that this means much)

MrAcheson
October 24, 2006, 07:01 AM
Stag makes good stuff. But consider Fosbery's advice about a standard model, lefties shoot them all the time without incident and you'll have better parts compatibility with the rest of the AR-15 population.

JLStorm
October 24, 2006, 07:04 AM
Are there any companies other than colt that use the shell casing deflector on the ejection port for lefties, or is that a standard part that can be added onto any ar15 standard model??

donkee
October 24, 2006, 08:55 AM
I threw together a Stag Arms AR and really like it. I have an Olympic 9mm upper on the way for the spare lower that I have. I'll be buying more Stag Arms stuff since my son would love to have one too........

jason10mm
October 24, 2006, 10:07 AM
What AR are you shooting now? Just about every model AR HAS a shell deflector, it is that pyramid thing right behind the ejection port. Old "smooth side" ARs like the SP-1 needed a plastic brass deflector added on for us (attached under the carry handle using that little hole), but it sucked and I don't recommend it. I've never had a problem with my Bushmasters. Perhaps your issue is model specific? What positions are you having trouble with? If it is just a general concern, then don't worry, no AR kicks brass back in our faces anymore :)

One major concern I would have with a "lefty" AR is parts replacement. Since the bolt carrier and probably the bolt itself would have to be different, you may have a hard time making field repairs, especially if you had to cannabilize parts from another AR which isn't a lefty model.

JLStorm
October 24, 2006, 10:23 AM
I dont have one now, the fact that I am left handed and the shell casings seem to eject with a lot of force but a small arc always made me worried that I would get hit in the face, especially during multiple shots. It sounds like I was wrong though...

highlander 5
October 24, 2006, 11:00 AM
I'm a left handed shot with rifle and with a right handed AR you have nothing to worry about .
cases are thown well clear of your head and face

Fosbery
October 24, 2006, 11:10 AM
All modern ARs have brass deflectors, but you can get enlarged after market ones which clip on. You don't need them though tbh, I've never had an AR spit brass in my face.

Mr White
October 24, 2006, 12:03 PM
Get an A2 upper with a brass deflector, add an ambi safety and you're set to go. The bolt release if in a good position for us LH shooters. You can buy a RH mag as well but it isn't really a problem.

I shoot a standard A2 AR in Service Rifle matches and don't feel at all disadvantaged because I'm LH and the gun's RH. I feel disadvantaged because most of the other shooters are better than me, but not because I'm LH and the gun's RH.

jem375
October 24, 2006, 01:29 PM
DPMS has made lefties for years, I bought one about 5-6 years ago and it shoots great...the safety and mag release are the same but the ejection is on the left side of course...I recently bought an A2 upper and it is right handed and no problem with the cases flying into my face...I really was brought up shooting rightie semiauto's but had the opportunity to buy the leftie and did and am really pleased with it....

GunnySkox
October 24, 2006, 01:31 PM
I'm wrong handed and I have a kit-built, right-handed AR-15. It's got an A4-style upper (with the brass-deflector lump thing) and, in 440 rounds so far, none have hit or landed on any part of my body. I can work the safety reasonably with my pointer finger (though I wish the lever were shorter, it rubs on the inside of my trigger knuckle when I shoot unless I grip all funny) and, if I'm hanging onto the mag well with my right hand, I can mash the mag release with my thumb.

I was worried about the same stuff as you before I built my AR, but so far it hasn't been a problem.

~GnSx

Fosbery
October 24, 2006, 02:25 PM
I find mag changes and trigger group operation to be fine with rightey ARs too. I use my right hand to release the mag as I grasp it (if you can afford to be dropping magazines on the floor you can afford someone else to change your magazines for you :p). I use the thumb of my left hand to operate the safety by quickly slipping it around the pistol grip.

Correia
October 24, 2006, 02:30 PM
Stag makes an excellent product. I'm a Stag dealer. I've sold a pile of them, and I've not had one brought back with a complaint. Do a search under Stag to get some owner feedback.

If you are really worried about parts availability, buy an extra left hand bolt assembly. Done.

NateG
October 24, 2006, 02:42 PM
I think I'd stay away from shooting a righty-AR lefthanded (without the deflector, or something) I'm right handed, but I have shot a left-handed AR. I hit myself in the cheek three or four times in a row. I didn't notice it until later, but one of the pieces of brass left a nice idiot mark for a few days.

hangemhigh
February 26, 2009, 05:46 PM
I got a Stag Arms lefty. I had to change the barrel to a 24" bull barrel and cut it down to 16". The only problem with Stag is they only have one barrel. The lightweight model. Then they have the 24" bull barrel. I'd get that if you want a precision rifle in 5.56 cal is also a good note of Stag instead of the .223.

Zach S
February 26, 2009, 06:06 PM
I'm wrong handed, and don't have any wrong handed ARs.

The only ARs I've had hit me in the face or drop brass down my shirt were older ones that didn't have the brass deflector. Even then, some of them didn't.

Just about any off the shelf AR is going to have a brass deflector. Mine throws the brass somewhere between one and two o'clock.

rcmodel
February 26, 2009, 06:14 PM
As already noted, it's not really an issue.

The U.S. armed services very likely have 7% - 10% of their solders who are left-handed, shooting right-handed M-16's and M-4's quite effectively without any problem.

Even one of my son's keeps me ammo poor shooting my old Colt SP-1 Carbine left-handed, and it doesn't even have a brass deflector on it.

rc

Nhsport
February 26, 2009, 07:18 PM
Stag is a fine brand, they are a division of CMT who make lots of the stuff for many of the other brands.
If you get a lefty you 1) can't replace many or the perts with standard AR parts. This wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, just stockpile some spare parts.

The 2) is the killer for me-You can't use the drop in rimfire conversions

jem375
February 26, 2009, 07:29 PM
DPMS also has made lefties for many years, I have the 20" SS bull barrel in 223 and it is a very good rifle. If it is available for left handed shooters, why not buy one?.... I shoot righties also with no problem, but the lefty is available..

rogertc1
February 26, 2009, 07:44 PM
http://www.superiorarms.com/index.php

Wolfgang2000
February 26, 2009, 07:47 PM
I'm a lefty also. I just lost the scar on my neck where a piece of 5.56 brass burnt to my neck back in the early 70's. This was on the A1 series without the brass deflector.

Upon getting out of the Army and getting my own AR with the brass deflector I haven't had a problem. I've used it through most of my LE career.

I would also point out that I've never had a brass in the face problem with my AK's.;)

30Cal
February 26, 2009, 07:52 PM
I shoot lefty. The only times I've ever been hit with brass was when it came from the guy standing to the left of me.

desidog
February 26, 2009, 11:54 PM
I'm a lefty, and have a scar over my right eye from spent M-16 brass. these days I own an M1A. If you're shooting like a jackass without the proper cheek-weld, you'll be more likely to take one to the face with an AR.

The Army's M-4's don't have an ambidextrous safety, so i got chewed out for walking around with a hot weapon; but thats a $30 aftermarket part.

Just go to some shooting ranges in your area and someone will be there with an AR. Say hello, inquire about the weapon, and take some shots. Always offer to buy the ammo you shoot....I've never had to pony up to date. If you like it, know that a LH safety thumbswitch is an internet shopping spree away. Wear a hat and some goggles if you're worried about catching some spent brass with your face. I found that with ESS goggles on, i was fine...but you don't always have time to don goggles!

hadmanysons
February 27, 2009, 02:14 AM
I'm a left handed shooter and I specifically chose a right handed AR-15 simply because of the fact that the parts, in case of SHTF, would be more inter-changeable with other rifles out there. I don't have a problem but my brass does go forward and to the right so I might have gotten' lucky. That's my reasoning at least.

p.s.

Everyone before me's post about a brass catcher wouldn't be a bad idea if you do decide to get a RH AR/any rifle. You could at least sell that brass you safe at a gun show and eventually make your money back.

WardenWolf
February 27, 2009, 02:41 AM
AR's generally spit the brass straight out to the sides, from all I've seen, regardless of model. AK's vary depending on maker, with some variation from shot to shot. Some eject to the rear right. Others eject mostly straight out. And then there's real oddballs like my Saiga that eject forwards.

Hummer70
April 11, 2009, 10:15 PM
Hot brass from a AR striking firer or adjacent personnel on firing line is easily fixed as follows. Hot brass ejection has caused several deaths and shootings on military firing lines as well as hundreds of lefties (including me) have had our right cheeks engraved. To fix the ejection problem will take maybe twenty minutes and cost perhaps fifty cents.

First remove the bolt and drive out the ejector retaining pin so the ejector and spring will come out.
Second cut two turns off the ejector spring and reassemble. Some folks go ahead and cut three turns but start with two and see how it goes.
Third take a piece of Armaflex insulation (this is the black rubber material used as insulation for air conditioning high pressure lines. If you know someone in the air conditioning business they will most likely let you have a section of it for a 3/4" line. It comes in three foot links or there about and is enough for about 150 rifles give or take.

Next take a look at ejector bump (it has about a 45 angle) and cut a piece of Armaflex in the mirror image (wedge shaped at 45 as well) so when placed against the ejector it will form a right angle (90)to the ejection port. The name of the game is for the case to be ejected to the right and immediately strike the Armaflex with the 90 angle and the ejection force dampened out quickly and redirecting the case forward in a safe area.
4th. Home Depot and other places sell little patches of velcro with a rather tenacious adhesive backing. Place one of these on the back of the wedge. After wiping down ejector bump well with alcohol place the other part of the velcro on this and then place both together.

When fired you will find the brass drops just to the right of the rifle about 12 to 15 inches from the port and forward around 2:00. There will not be a telltale ding on the case and the case mouths will appear as if they have been fired from a bolt rifle with no dents either.

JWarren
April 11, 2009, 11:07 PM
As I read these threads, I find myself happy that this lefty primarily shoots right-handed.

I think it may simply be how I was raised-- with all right-handed rifles and a right-handed instructor (Dad).

As it is, I find that I can shoot left or right handed with either long-guns or handguns and it feels the exact same to me.


All that said, I've never experienced a problem shooting my AR or my LR-308 left-handed.

The AR has a shell-deflector and the brass has never came near my face.

The last time I shot my LR-308, it was a slick-side. Even so, it threw the brass directly to the right and the brass came nowhere near my face. I replaced my LR-308 upper receiver with the A3 model with shell deflector now, but it is off at Superior Weapon Systems getting some work done. I can't shoot it again until next week.


-- John

JonB
April 11, 2009, 11:10 PM
Don't bother with a left handed AR. I am a lefty and have never been hit by ejected brass. Get a right handed AR and not worry about which parts fit, which don't etc. Plus if you ever wanted to sell it, there is a much bigger market for right-handed rifles.

You won't get hit by brass. My RRA ejects brass to my 4 to 5 o'clock position and about 5-6 feet away.

AirplaneDoc
April 11, 2009, 11:24 PM
I am a lefty as well.

Buy a standard, you can always get a lefty upper later, I also have had success with the brass collector and deflectors.

I can shoot either side, but have been considering getting a lefty upper for my dad who can not.

A buddy of mine was telling me that in the field they rubber banded a stipper or something simple (from cary handle to deflector) to the right side of the m16 to eliminate brass flying in the face when shooting left handed or for lefties. Next time I run into him I will have to ask what it was.

AD

Dirty Dawg
April 11, 2009, 11:46 PM
I'm left handed and like all the others learned to shoot right handed. While I never had any problems with the semi-autos I owned, I never liked the idea of having hot gas/brass eject across my face. Eventually I traded my semi-auto shotguns for for over/under. Then one day I decided to buy a left hand bolt. It was a revelation as far as I was concerned. For the first time in my life I could rack the bolt without reaching across the rifle-- just like my right handed friends.

I had never had a great desire to own an AR but when I discovered Stag made a left handed model, I couldn't resist. I've only had it a short while, just long enough to dial in the BUIS and my EOTech 557. It has performed flawlessly through 100+ rounds and is plenty accurate. Since the only battle my AR will ever see will be knocking down hordes of feral hogs, I'm not too worried about compatibility. I did, however, buy an extra left hand bolt assembly just to be on the safe side in the event of a ban.

The bottom line is, if you want one, buy one. Don't let people talk you out of it (for whatever reason.) If there wasn't a viable market for left hand AR no one would be making them.

JWarren
April 12, 2009, 12:07 AM
Dirty...

I'm confused about your post.


You said that you are left-handed, but learned to shoot right-handed. Then later you seem to suggest that you were shooting right-handed guns but doing it left-handed.

Is that what you were saying?


What I was talking about is that I am a lefty, but I shoot right-handed guns only. I actually prefer to shoot them right-handed (off the right shoulder using the right eye primarily), but have shot them left-handed as need arose.

I can completely understand how you would feel shooting right-handed rifles off the left shoulder. I never really have cared to do it, but can if needed. I used to hunt with a right-handed Remington 700 but due to my poor abilty to place my deer stands in the right place, I shot more deer with that rifle left-handed.

A right-handed bolt action fired left handed is practically a single-shot from my experience. I always knew that I wasn't going to get the chance for a follow-up shot.


-- John

10-Ring
April 12, 2009, 12:13 AM
I shoot my long guns lefty & I have 3 ARs and it's not an issue w/ any of those

Dirty Dawg
April 12, 2009, 12:21 AM
you seem to suggest that you were shooting right-handed guns but doing it left-handed.

That's correct, forgive me for not making myself clear. I like to say I am "profoundly" left-handed. :D

I grew up shooting right-handed firearms off my left shoulder. I had never laid eyes on a left-hand weapon until a few years ago but I'll never go back to owning firearms that are wrong-handed for me. I guess I'm rebelling in my old age, refusing to conform to a right-handed world.

And I agree with you about the single shot nature of shooting right-handed bolt action off the left shoulder.

JWarren
April 12, 2009, 12:27 AM
DD wrote:

I had never laid eyes on a left hand weapon until a few years ago

It was in my teen-age years when I saw my first left-handed bolt-action.

I thought to myself "Well, I'll be damned. That is the neatest thing."

While I'm pretty ingrained into shooting right-handed now, I do plan on getting at least one left-handed rifle in case I have someone shooting with me that needs one.

And being able to shoot either handed, it won't go to waste! :)


-- John

Zach S
April 12, 2009, 12:30 AM
The bottom line is, if you want one, buy one. Don't let people talk you out of it (for whatever reason.) If there wasn't a viable market for left hand AR no one would be making them.They're made because they sell. Just like FLGRs for 1911s and lighted washer nozzles for cars.

I, for one, couldn't care less if the OP got a lefty stag. Unlike my wife, he's not spending my money.

I'm not trying to talk him out of a lefty AR, simply sharing my experience. And so far, most of the wrong-handed folks' experiences are the same as mine.

Dirty Dawg
April 12, 2009, 01:47 AM
They're made because they sell.

My point exactly.

I think most left handed shooters use right handed firearms because that's the way they've always done it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I doubt many have ever bothered to even try to see how the other half lives.

cliffy
April 12, 2009, 02:05 AM
Lefties should applaude Stag Arms. Stag Arms makes stock lefty firearms in AR-15. Cliffy

couger
August 13, 2009, 10:54 PM
I can't say I have much experience with AR's and shooting right handed ones lefty since I never tried before but .
I just got back to shooting after years & I was debating on a new riffle with cheaper ammo than my existing lever action.
for years I was told to fire right handed with rifles although I did switch back and forth with handguns and did slightly better lefty, I'm convinced this was mostly due to eye focus at distances while forcing myself to close one eye.

I looked around quite a bit and came across a "used" stag ar lefty that was never fired, $800, I grabbed this today and decided to try shooting switching back and forth. at 50 feet I was doing so/so right handed, at 100 feet I went left handed to 2 inch groups, keep in mind this was iron sights and the first time I shot in years, much less with a new guns, and the first time left handed rifle,

while firing the lefty ar right handed (has the deflector) , the shells would occasionally hit me in the glasses or lay on my other arm, this was with federal ammo, when I switched to Remington, most of the shells went out of reach for retrieval. but none hit me while shooting it righty. I did however have a few rounds that bounced from the walls still hit me. the most important thing I found while shooting the lefty AR though was the lack of distraction of the shells ejecting.

I will say even though there is less available for them, I'll start buying lefty stuff from now on especially bolt actions, who knows maybe if we buy more lefty stuff, they might make more.

exdetsgt
September 5, 2009, 01:58 AM
I just bought a lefty Stag and am quite pleased with it. I shot a friend's right handed Bushmaster last winter and never got hit with brass. At that time I was unaware that a lefty existed, but when I saw the Stag in a local gun shop I jumped on it. So far I'm pleased.

Going to take it to the desert tomorrow AM with our weapons guy and zero it in.

gorwell1984
October 22, 2009, 06:58 PM
My friend just purchased a Stag Arms left handed A3 left handed upper.
It's never been out of the mfg. box, it has a chrome lined 16" 1-9 twist, Flat Top with Picatinny rail and available to mount a carry handle on it.

He purchased it for his Stag Arms right handed AR due to him being left handed.
He was at a gun show a few weeks ago and purchased a complete Stag Arms left handed A3. He was going to keep the extra upper in case he needs it down the road but I have an AR-15 complete lower half and could use a right handed upper. I'm sure I can talk him out of it for a decent price?

So, if anyone wants to trade a right upper for a left upper let me know.

George Orwell 1984

Frankl03
October 22, 2009, 07:26 PM
I have had 2 ARs. My first was a right handed one. I shoot lefty. My second AR is a Stag Model 1L. I like it allot! I think left handed ejection is great. Can I shoot a right handed AR? Ya but I like shooting a left handed one more.

Also Stag quality is great! No problems so far at all.

Brazos
October 22, 2009, 10:31 PM
I am left handed and have several Ar-15's, M-14's, M1's and none eject brass in my face and have not ever had an issue. Though I do not own a Stag Arms I appreciate them making a LH rifle and if I buy another AR I will get a Stag Arms to support them. I wish every other gun maker would remember LH people are alive and do buy guns.

hadmanysons
October 23, 2009, 01:36 AM
I'm a left handed shooter and I specifically chose a right handed AR-15 simply because of the fact that the parts, in case of SHTF, would be more inter-changeable with other rifles out there. I don't have a problem but my brass does go forward and to the right so I might have gotten' lucky. That's my reasoning at least.

p.s.

Everyone before me's post about a brass catcher wouldn't be a bad idea if you do decide to get a RH AR/any rifle. You could at least sell that brass you safe at a gun show and eventually make your money back.

Wow. I just happened upon this thread again and can't help but notice my horrible grammar and spelling. Ugh!

Rat Robb
November 23, 2009, 07:38 PM
I too was wondering about this but not because of the casings hitting me in the face, but whenever I shoot a friend's semi-auto rifle, it seems that the gases emitted cause my eyes to tear and my nose to run. This is after only about half a mag.

Does this happen to anyone else?

-Robb

jem375
November 23, 2009, 07:48 PM
I get a kick out of posters that claim a left handed AR would be hard to sell or trade. There are a lot of lefties out there and that is a ridiculous statement to make. I am a lefty and most of my rifles are right handed except for my DPMS lefty, and I also own a right handed AR, but if the lefties are out there, why not get one. My Savage Stiker in 308 also has the bolt on the left side although the ejection port is on the right side.

CB900F
November 23, 2009, 08:42 PM
Fella's;

If you want a real education in awkward, try shooting NRA position 50 foot with a right hand bolt gun when you're left handed & left master eyed. That's what I did waaay back when in an ROTC high school when I was on the rifle team. The A team shot Remington 40X B's in .22lr & I made the A team. There were Anschutz LHB rifles, but my family could no more afford on of those for me at that time than dad could fly to the moon on gossamer wings. Consequently, I shot from the left shoulder & learned to adapt. Which is not to say I liked it that way.

Therefore, my AR is a Stag lefty. I have had no problem whatsoever getting it equipped the way I want it either. I do believe that Stag's parent corporation also makes the basic parts for Smith & Wesson's MP-15. I built my own & had no problems doing it either. If you're inclined to buy a left Stag, by all means do so as far as I'm concerned.

And tell ya what, I can operate a right handed bolt gun from the left shoulder a lot faster than you probably think I can. But these days, there's no need. I've sold most of those mis-cegnated, kack-handed, RHB's & am very happily shooting with a proper product made the way I want it.

900F

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