Feeding Issues On A Jennings 9mm


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T-man18
October 24, 2006, 07:04 PM
A friend of mine purchased a Jennings 9mm pistol(Not sure what model it is) and it is every third shot it loads the rounds incorrectly sometimes it turns the bullet horizontal so that the primer is sticking straight up it also turns the round to the side. I would also like information on the pistol and disassembly intructions?

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wolf_from_wv
October 24, 2006, 08:16 PM
What does the back of the slide look like?

The_Antibubba
October 26, 2006, 12:19 AM
Actually, being able to fire 2 out of 3 rounds on a Jennings is quite good-don't mess with it! ;)

evan price
October 26, 2006, 04:28 AM
The problem is the slide. It has "Jennings" etched into the metal instead of Glock or Sig... Be lucky it fires at all. (From the man who owns a Jennings)

Sorry.

Jim K
October 26, 2006, 08:16 PM
Hi, T-man18,

As you can gather from the comments, Jennings guns do not have a good reputation. That Jennings Nine is made for a cartridge called the 9mm Short in Europe, but normally called the .380 ACP in the U.S. Typically Jennings, they called it a 9mm and if buyers wanted to think it was 9mm Luger, it was OK with the company.

Jennings went out of business several years ago, but the assets were bought by a man named Jimenez who restarted production in CA of that and a couple of other models. In 2005, the state of California banned manufacture and sale of all the Jimenez line as dangerous after the guns came apart in testing. They were going to move production to Nevada, but I don't know if they did. I can't find a company web site or any current information on the company or current production, if any.

It sounds like you need a new magazine, which may be very hard to find.

Takedown is done by pushing the takedown button on the left rear of the frame and then pulling the slide up and easing it forward over the barrel.

My recommendation is that you retire that Jennings (or sell it to someone you don't much like) and buy a more reliable gun.

HTH

Jim

wolf_from_wv
October 26, 2006, 08:23 PM
http://hipoint.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=257

provgencon
November 1, 2006, 05:24 PM
i recently purchased two Bryco's, the Jennings Nine, and the T380 slim frame: both in a Nickel Finish. Mr. Keenan earlier mentioned that the Jennings Nine is Actually chambered for a european caliber, and that the American .380 caliber is the manufacturers intended ammo caliber for this model.
am i getting this right? can this be officially verified? I have not fired these guns yet, just want to be cautious.
thank you.

Ron James
November 1, 2006, 06:39 PM
(The 380 ACP,9X17,9MM Corta, and the 9MM Kurz are the one and the same.
Kurz and Corta both translate to " short".

provgencon
November 1, 2006, 09:54 PM
shall i purchase .380 acp ammo for this jennings nine then? can anyone help me confirm that the Jennings nine is chambered for a 9mm short, european round?

Ron James
November 1, 2006, 10:22 PM
Lets try this again. Yes, you can purchase 380 ACP for your Jennings. The European 9MM Short is the same as .380. As being chambered for the .380, it should be, I believe it is, both the Bryco Models 38 and 48 were .380, if it reads 9MM on the slide then it 's .380, but with out seeing it in person, I would advise this: If you have any doubt as to the proper caliber, then take it to a gun store. But first put it in a gun pouch, you don't to be waving a firearm around in these days and times. By the way Jennings firearms was the distributer, Bryco was the manufacturer. Also I believe that the little dohicky pin like thing sticking out the back is the take down. push it in with a ball point pin and the slide should come off. And if you're not carefull so will the springs. If I'm wrong on this , please, someone correct me.

provgencon
November 1, 2006, 10:34 PM
thank you for the painfully clear explaination.... i needed that:) . i was just hoping to find some means of actually verifying the intended caliber of ammo. Your theory for why the Jennings nine Jams so frequently is very convincing, but before i tell ALL my friends to switch to the .380 ACP ammo for their Jennings nine, i would Like to be able to back my story.
thank you again sir.

Jim K
November 2, 2006, 05:25 PM
I think the correct version is that Bryco/Jennings decided to make a pistol with more power than the .25 and .22 pistols they had been making. Since the most popular center-fire auto pistol round was the 9mm Luger (as it is called here), they wanted to trade on the term "9mm". But there was no way their blowback design and cheap materials could handle 9mm Luger. So, knowing that the .380 ACP was called the 9mm Browning Short in Europe, they borrowed the "9mm" part and so marked the guns.

It was deception, pure and simple, as the intent was to leave the buyer under the impression he was getting the powerful 9mm Luger caliber when in fact he was getting the much less powerful .380 ACP. A bit like putting a Mercedes tristar on the hood of a Yugo, but some buyers were fooled.

The .380 ACP is not really European; it was developed here by Browning, but as in many cases, European use meant changing the name to a metric designation.

Your friends must have been using .380 ACP, as there is no way a 9mm Luger round could fit and fire in that gun; if somehow it did, the shooter would know right away as the gun would come apart.

Jim

AJAX22
November 2, 2006, 05:41 PM
I used to own a bryco jennings 9, mine was made in california and it was chambered in 9mm luger.

If it's just a jennings, and not a bryco/jennings, its probably a 380, but if it's a bryco jennings nine it can be a real 9mm

btw it was a flaming piece of junk, the internal pins have a tendancy to drift, which causes them to not fire, the safety and firing mechanism are made out of sheet metal and the magazine latch spring can escape from where the cheep plastic grips pin it against the frame.

Mine would stovepipe the second round if it was loaded to capacity (12 rounds) I loaded it to 10 or 11 and had no problems.

To fix the internal pin drift that plagued it I sweat soddered the pins in place.

I've never been so glad to get rid of a firearm as I was to off that hunk of potmetal. and I've owned raven .25's and jennings .22's

none of which was as unreliable and prone to dangerous malfunction as that bryco/jennings nine

wolf_from_wv
November 3, 2006, 10:10 AM
My uncle's 9mm Luger Jennings had to be sent back a few times before it worked right.

provgencon
November 5, 2006, 02:24 PM
thank you all for your replies.... very helpful.

Pilot1559
February 6, 2009, 08:58 PM
Let me begin with…Sorry this is so long, then let me say that I am well aware of the age of this thread, but I read it a few years ago and it stuck in my head to this very day….I just had to reply.



So I bought this Jennings 9mm in 2001, it was the first handgun I had ever purchased, I had just move to Pennsylvania from New Jersey and wanted to see what it was like to actually purchase a handgun with just a credit card and a driver's license. It's funny what being repressed will do to your psyche when you are released from your bonds. Anyway, I slapped down the card and charged the 80 or so dollars for this gun that I didn't really have any intention of firing. It ended up going into a lockbox and sat for six years before I even looked at it again; I almost forgot I had it. In the six years that had passed, I purchased a Glock 36, A Ruger SP101 a Walther P99 and a couple of shotguns. The only gun I actually fired before today was one of the shotguns when I went duck and goose hunting. I wanted to fire all of them, just never got to the range. About two months ago, I went ahead and ordered the Walther, and it finally came in about a week ago (boy, these are getting hard to come by).

Oh and did I mention, I moved back to Jersey in 2002 so the Walther story actually started in September when I applied for a handgun purchase permit. The Glock I sold just before I moved back to Jersey, and I sold one of the shotguns (The Browning Hunter Gold 12ga with the neon sights) to a friend that I was hunting with when I lived in PA. I miss those guns, they were 2 of the best that money could buy, unfortunately, money was my reason for having to sell them in the first place.

So I finally made it to the range today. I packed my gun case with my little Ruger SP101, My shiny new Walther P99 AS, and my like new, six year old, never fired 80 dollar Jennings Nine. Honestly, I didn't really have any intentions of firing the 9mm, I don't even know why I packed it into the case in the first place. I guess having 3 guns in the large 6 gun case would look better than if I had 2 in the event someone happened to look when I opened the case, vanity is a bitch.

Anyway, after firing the Ruger and pounding the hell out of my knuckles with the trigger guard because I decided to fire .357 magnum loads, 158 Grain Jacketed rounds to be exact. I wanted to know what kind of power this little monster had, all I can say is, Holy Crap!

First, let me state that I read this thread a few years ago, and you guys scared the crap out of me. Now, getting back to the point of this post, the Jenny. Here I am 3 guns, I had fired 2 and I'm thinking, what is the worst thing that could happen? A jam, miss-fire, miss-feed. In any case, it is unlikely that the gun will blow up like some type of Bugs Bunny, Elmer Fudd cartoon where the barrel miraculously separates apart as easy as a banana skin peeling away from its fruit. I load the magazine with 10 rounds and slide it into the handle of the gun, and I prey a little prayer to myself, after all I am about as religious as Elliot Spitzer on a binge with high priced hookers. I pull the slide back and release, kick down the safety with my thumb, and I gently squeeze the trigger. To my surprise, the gun actually fired, not in some messy carbon black disaster as I had expected, but rather, a normal 9mm semi auto handgun kind of kick, which was nearly nothing. So I did it again, and again and again.


I switched between guns after emptying a magazine or the chambers on my revolver, whatever the case may have been. In all, I put 150 rounds through the Jenny, and I only had 2 miss feeds that simply required me to pull back on the slide just enough to allow the cartridge to correct its position. Not bad considering the gun cost less than most good bb guns.

I got home and disassembled the gun to clean, using the takedown to allow the slide to come away from the frame. The takedown is the lever on the side of the gun that releases the slide when the slide is in the full back locked position. I would not recommend poking at the loaded or cocked indicators (the little red buttons) to disassemble the gun, only bad things can happen when you do that.

I guess the moral of the story is, sometimes you just have to see for yourself. Some people say this gun is the best, or that gun is the best. Most just because they heard it somewhere, or someone told them back when they didn't know any better, some still don't. I'm not saying that a Jennings is a great gun, nor is it reliable. But for me, it was actually a lot of fun to fire, and it worked well enough to know that I paid 80 bucks for a handgun that to be honest, was worth every penny.:D

emersone
November 22, 2009, 12:55 AM
I received my Jennings as a gift for my first handgun. I have fired probably 500 rounds through it. I have only had probably six jams which was caused by a bad magazine. I was able to bend the edges on the magazine to make this problem disappear. I am probably going to polish the fed ramp next. some then might call it polishing a turd, but it is a fun and relatively accurate gun to shoot.

TheProf
November 22, 2009, 10:37 AM
Handguns of low quality are dangerous. And as you can tell by the previous posts... Jennings are of a questionable brand (that's putting it mildly). Perhaps you should consider just taking the thing apart, mixing it with cement (rendering it useless) and burying it. This would be for your safety and for those around you. I say this kindly and with respect. I wouldn't want anyone hurt by a low quality handgun.

I would not sell such a gun to anyone. I would consider it unethical. (plus...there's the legality factor of being sued by the buyer... I know that just sounded silly...but nowadays, anyone can be sued by anybody...)

a5werkes
November 23, 2009, 07:46 AM
Mom taught me not to say anything if it wasn't nice....so, I'll keep mom happy and let this reporter do the talking.

9mm malfunctions at Lakeland gun range, shoots three people

By Chandra Broadwater, Times Staff Writer 
In Print: Monday, October 5, 2009

TAMPA — Michael Thourot had just pulled his hand away from the warm metal when it started spewing bullets.
Moments before, Sherri Thourot had watched her husband fire and reload the Jennings 9mm. Then he set it down for her to shoot next at the range.
That's when the handgun started firing on its own, she said, spinning around in circles, landing the Thourots and an Irish tourist in the hospital.
"Nothing like that has ever happened," said Sherri Thourot on Sunday evening from her room at Lakeland Regional Medical Center.
"We've been around guns all our lives."
It was about 10:30 a.m. Saturday when Sherri Thourot, 46, watched her husband, 47, set the gun down. The couple had decided to try out their new gun at the Saddle Creek Shooting Range in Lakeland.
They like the Polk County-owned range. It's strict and safe, the way the Thourots say they like to use their guns.
But as soon as Michael Thourot took his hand off the gun, it started firing like it was possessed, his wife said.
"I saw that he'd been hit, but I couldn't tell how bad," Sherri Thourot said. "Then I realized I had been hit. My hand was bent forward and I couldn't move my arm."
A bullet tore through the back of her right arm and exited from her biceps. Her husband had been shot in the left hand. Another man, a 29-year-old tourist visiting a friend, was hit in the shoulder and throat as he stood behind a shooting stall next to the Thourots.
All three were taken to the Lakeland hospital, where Michael Thourot and the tourist, Gary Flynn, underwent surgery.
Flynn was listed in stable condition at the hospital, while Michael Thourot was released Sunday. His wife said doctors put pins in his hand to help heal shattered bone.
She expected to leave the hospital today.
The Polk County Sheriff's Office said the gun may have been altered, leading to the malfunction. Detectives expect to know more when they take the gun apart and inspect it as they continue to investigate.
Sherri Thourot said her son, 29-year-old Jeremy, brought the 9mm back to the United States after one of his tours in Iraq with the Navy. He gave it to them this summer.
The couple cleaned the gun and made sure it was in good condition before taking it to the range, she said. They never expected to leave in an ambulance.
Before he left the hospital, her husband stopped in to see her.
"He's very shaken up over it," she said. "He's traumatized that anything like this happened to his wife."
But the freak accident won't keep her away from guns.
"I can't allow something like this to cause me to be afraid of something I've done all my life."

boogers
January 17, 2010, 02:43 AM
Ok, I can't help but think that 80% of the people that post bad comments about these jennings are only saying what they have heard. I'm not here to argue that jennings are great, high quality guns, but I don't think that every single one of them are going to explode and kill everybody around them.

@a5werkes
If I could call you out the story you posted plainly states...
"The Polk County Sheriff's Office said the gun may have been altered, leading to the malfunction"

If that is even a consideration you can't blame it on the manufacturer. I would be interested to know what was discovered once it was inspected.

Not trying to tell anybody what to do, just sharing my feelings about the bryco/jennings nine I own and shoot regularly. The only problem I have ever had with this gun is the occassional jam, which only happens with one of the two mags that came with it. I don't recommend anybody go out and purchase one, but if you've got one and you've shot it without incident don't smash it with a hammer and throw it in the lake. People love to share 2nd hand horror stories but I would bet that these types of stories could be found with most manufacturers if you dug deep enough.

Again, I'm not trying to stir it up, just wanted to share my thoughts.

btw...I've had more problems with my Hi-Point 9mm (misfeeding/jamming) than I've had with the jennings.

a5werkes
January 17, 2010, 12:35 PM
"Ok, I can't help but think that 80% of the people that post bad comments about these jennings are only saying what they have heard.

@a5werkes
If I could call you out the story you posted plainly states..."

Boogers, please take a deep breath...and keep me out of it. I don't have a dog in this fight.

I didn't hear anything....I read the published account of the accident in a newspaper......it's a Jennings malfunction thread......they are the words of Chandra Broadwater, a writer for the Times. Rather than take sentences out of context with piecemeal editing, I posted the article in its entirety for those that might have an interest in it.

"People love to share 2nd hand horror stories".....

It is not a second hand story. The reported story is a first hand account of 3 people shot and seriously injured by a free standing rotating pistol at a public pistol range....that's the horror, not the brand name.

When you dig deep enough and locate a public record of another first hand account of a different brand pistol involved in a similar shooting spree please post the story in its entirety.

There are other threads on which you can share your first hand account of your Hi-Power problems.

hatchetbearer
January 18, 2010, 03:27 AM
I had a Jennings .22 for about an hour. bought it off one guy i worked with and fired a magazine, then another co worker came by and offered twice what i just paid for it. he loaded some cci mini mags into it and on the 6th shot the slide sheared off the frame and hit him in the chest. didnt hurt him any, but it sure as hell scared him

Madcap_Magician
January 18, 2010, 10:52 AM
For a moment I thought that the feeding issue at hand was that the Jennings was actually feeding some of the rounds! :D

a5werkes
January 18, 2010, 02:25 PM
Would that be a bulimic Jennings ?

boogers
February 25, 2010, 12:40 PM
@a5werkes

I owe you an apology. I did not mean to direct my entire post at you. I just wanted to point out that one line in the story you posted. Your post seems like it was meant to add to the long list of horror stories posted all over the internet. If the gun was altered then I still say that can not be blamed the gun. Again, this was just a suspicion of the authorities at that time. I really would be interested in knowing if the gun actually was altered in any way, and if that alteration may have caused the mishap.

I was not referring to your story when I said "Second hand horror stories." I was talking about the dozens in different forums that obviously have no personal experience with this weapon, but want to share what they've heard.

It's the same thing with all the posts sharing their creative ways to destroy a Jennings. It is very frustrating to see these types of post when people ask a serious question and want real answers. And again, I would bet that a lot (not all) of the people that post those types of responses do not have personal experience.

I sincerely apologize if you felt that I was personally attacking you.

boogers

a5werkes
February 25, 2010, 01:47 PM
Dear Boogers - You don’t owe me an apology. No offense taken. But a brief review might in be in order for those whom haven't followed along since 2006.

“Your post seems like it was meant to add to the long list of horror stories posted all over the internet.”

The story is a factual one, the related horror was true…..it’s just not a fictional horror story !

"Ok, I can't help but think that 80% of the people that post bad comments about these jennings are only saying what they have heard.”

Well, I don’t fit in the 80% category because I didn’t hear anything, again it was a factual story in print media.

In the alternative, rather than being the a member of the other 20% whom you apparently believe must be saying “something” they have NOT heard, I chose not to do that either by citing the story in its entirety for the forum browsers to draw their own conclusions.

I believe it would be most logical to be upset at Jennings related stories that are fictional, but could understand how you might be upset at Jennings stories that are indeed factual……it’s just illogical to be upset with both types of stories.

“I would bet that these types of stories could be found with most manufacturers if you dug deep enough”…….well, the Jennings story required no digging, and it wasn’t deeply buried….it was a lead story of the day in a major metropolitan newspaper that was picked up by the national press for distribution. As you make the claim regarding “most manufacturers” perhaps you will invest some sweat equity in this endeavor and post a similar styled pistol malfunction story with ANY other brand that has been reported in the past 30 years (altered or not).

Apparently, your original axe-to-grind with the factual story was
“The Polk County Sheriff's Office said the gun may have been altered, leading to the malfunction. Detectives expect to know more when they take the gun apart and inspect it as they continue to investigate.”

Well, unlike some whom would rather complain about unfair bruising of a fine marque like the Jennings than investigate for themselves, I spoke with the Donna, Public Information Officer for the Polk County Sherrif’s Office whom was the investigating officer in this matter. She stated that the Jennings had been evaluated by a pistol training expert within Sheriff’s Office whom determined that the pistol had NOT been altered in any determinable fashion, nor did it appear as though any physical part(s) had been broken to account for the malfunction that had occurred. She also stated that no effort was made in attempting to replicate the accident with that gun, which sounded like good sense to me.

So, just some final facts to bookend this particular Jennings legacy.

I look forward to reading about your other manufacturer stories with great anticipation.

boogers
February 25, 2010, 08:11 PM
This has taken an ugly turn. Here's my stance and responses one last time.

"I believe it would be most logical to be upset at Jennings related stories that are fictional, but could (not?) understand how you might be upset at Jennings stories that are indeed factual……it’s just illogical to be upset with both types of stories."

Not at all what I said. I think I have made it very clear that the fact the Sheriff's Office thought the gun may have been altered was my main concern with your story. If this was actually the case (and I see now you have personally called them to verify it was NOT) then the story you posted has absolutely no weight and IT IS adding to the horror stories. Now that you have cleared that up, there's no need discussing this point any further.

"As you make the claim regarding “most manufacturers” perhaps you will invest some sweat equity in this endeavor and post a similar styled pistol malfunction story with ANY other brand that has been reported in the past 30 years (altered or not)."

Again, not what I was saying. Thought this was made clear when I said in my last post that that one line was all I directed towards you. I'm not claiming that all handguns are going on unmanned killing sprees at ranges around the country. I'm an not going to search for those stories because I'm quite sure they do not exist.

"Well, unlike some whom would rather complain about unfair bruising of a fine marque like the Jennings..."

If "some" means me, you're wrong again; As I have made my feelings about Jennings clear in my original post when I said:
"I don't recommend anybody go out and purchase one, but if you've got one and you've shot it without incident don't smash it with a hammer and throw it in the lake."

"I look forward to reading about your other manufacturer stories with great anticipation."

See above....

Before your next attempt at a forum smackdown, read what I have wrote. Try not to twist my words and keep in mind that the ONLY thing directed towards you was the one line from the story you posted. Nothing else has anything to do with you.

boogers

ClickClickD'oh
February 25, 2010, 08:47 PM
Call me a skeptic, but look who is defending the Jennings products:

Pilot1559, who has a total of two posts, both about Jennings.
emersone, who has a grand total of one post

and

boogers, who has three posts total... and they are all in this thread.

Food for thought there

Now, I've never personally seen a Jennings explode or fall apart... but then again I've never seen one actually fired. I did take quite a few of them off the streets though, and I can't say that there was ever an example that I logged in that I thought it was a darned shame that it was going to get smelted.

boogers
February 25, 2010, 09:12 PM
Ok, maybe my first post was seen as defending Jennings, and it was in a way. But the point of that post was only because of the story that has been run into the ground by now. If it were a story that said "A Glock went ballistic and starting firing at random at a gun range today. Oh yeah, maybe it is because it was modified in some way" I'm sure there would be more than just me chiming in. People would be speaking up saying, "Hold on a second! If it was modified and that modification MAY have caused the problem you can't blame Glock." Is this not what I was doing when I originally said:

"If that is even a consideration you can't blame it on the manufacturer."

The other 2 posts you are talking about have little to do with the gun in question.

a5werkes
February 25, 2010, 09:58 PM
Dear Boogers - I have better things to do than indulge in a forum smackdown, whatever that is.

However, if you choose to post baseless emotionally laced comments with the expectation that they will somehow go unchallenged by forum browsers with known facts , your disappointment regarding threads such as this will persist.

I didn’t twist any of your words…..in fact I deliberately quoted them verbatim, perhaps to allow time for your reflection as to how disingenuous the basis of your unsubstantiated rantings toward known facts about Jennings in general and as it relates to a Jennings pistol in particular, named in the posted story.

These were your untwisted words... “People love to share 2nd hand horror stories but I would bet that these types of stories could be found with most manufacturers if you dug deep enough.” ……… Boogers talking trash without any realistic hope of corroborating such a claim – so, name the manufacturers and post the stories……..otherwise don’t artificially inflate the Jennings legacy by supposing that “most” other pistol manufacturers have a similar legacy. You have had a month to think about it, and apparently none have come to mind.

Your logic is incredulous:
“I think I have made it very clear that the fact the Sheriff's Office thought the gun may have been altered was my main concern with your story. If this was actually the case (and I see now you have personally called them to verify it was NOT) then the story you posted has absolutely no weight and IT IS adding to the horror stories.”

First, it’s NOT my story……get it.
Second, the fact that the gun was not broken, not altered and when it fell to the ground it repeatedly fired rounds injuring people….. is adding to the horror stories……..yes, it sure does……just how does a Jennings in good working order do that ???????

This too will be my last verbal josting regarding a marque that has little to recommend it except an exceptional legacy of unwelcome notoriety for a Saturday Night special.

boogers
February 25, 2010, 10:55 PM
You have serious reading comprehension problems.

boogers

dscinto
May 3, 2010, 07:19 PM
I own Jennings 9, manufactured by Bryco Arms, and have been the sole owner since 2001. I was completely unaware of any reported safety related issues until just a few weeks back, when I took the weapon to a gun smith. Until that time I was completely satisfied with the weapons performance. I took it to the gun smith as a result of the need for multiple trigger pulls. While visiting an indoor range, where copper ammunition is required to quell lead abatement issues, the weapon, for the first time in 9 years, requried two trigger pulls before firing. Assumption was it was ammo related. I disassembled the weapon and cleaned it however I apparently neglected to replace the clip release spring. The gun smith is the one who said initially that I should throw the weapon in a lake. After explaing to me the reasons, I asked him to fix it anyway. It still requries two trigger pulls however, and I read now that I should use .380 rounds. I have also discovered recently that the gun is starting to jam as rounds become inverted in the breach when shooting/cycling. I believe it is due to old and weak clip springs. I am retaining the weapon for future use and will try the .380 round next time I fire it.

ClickClickD'oh
May 4, 2010, 09:25 AM
Yikes!

Do not use .380 in a 9mm chambered pistol. Noting good ever comes from using ammunition that a firearm was not specifically chambered for. Get someone qualified to determine if your firearm was made with a 9mm chamber or a .380 one.. these guns were made with both.

If you are needing two trigger pulls you are likely getting light strikes on the primer. Check the firing pin for damage or for fouling in the firing pin channel.

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