[makdaddy03]

Im looking at the:
KelTec P32
NAA 32acp or 22mag
Other? Please help.:confused:

[Hkmp5sd]

The NAA in .22 WMR is just too cute not to buy. :)

[makdaddy03]

1 5/8 barrel? or the 4"?
I sort of like the Black Widow.:evil:

[Bowlcut]

I like the funtionality of the p32. and well 32 is bigger than 22 :D

[OEF_VET]

Must root for the P32, I absolutely LOVE mine. The NAA revolvers are just too dern small for my big hands, and the .32 Guardian just doesn't look or feel as nice as the P32.

Frank

[makdaddy03]

Do they print in your pocket? I guess that makes sense.;)

[OEF_VET]

It only shows if I lift my leg and the pants tighten up. If you're of the want, there are several pocket holsters available that make the P32 look like it could be a wallet or PDA in your front pocket. Also, I have a pair of shorts with a pocket that has a button down flap on the front; that extra pocket really makes it nearly impossible to tell I've got a pistol.

[makdaddy03]

Thanks for the info.:)

[Jim March]

NAA Black Widow, small sights, run a smaller wood grip or cut the rubber grips down smaller. Above all, get BOTH cylinders so you can practice cheap but carry the good stuff: CCI MaxiMag +V/TNT 22Mag.

[makdaddy03]

Thank you sir. I will.:D

[Mark IV Series 80]

Take a look at the Beretta 950 Jetfire.

[ambidextrous1]

I really like the Keltec P-32, because it's so very light. It's no burden to carry with a gun this light. Be aware that Keltec is now making a .380 "mousegun", not significantly larger or heavier than the .32. Either of these, with Cor-Bon ammo, would do well for you in social situations.

Several years ago, I became infatuated with the .22 Magnum, and equipped myself with a revolver and an auto pistol in that caliber. Shortly thereafter, I started reloading, and obtained a chrono to monitor my reloads. It was then that I found that the .22 Magnum, in a short barrel, doesn't produce much more velocity than the ,22 high speed rimfire. It's not worth the difference in price, in my opinion.

[Lone_Gunman]

I would hold off on buying a pocket pistol for a few more months, then you can pick up the Keltec P3AT, which is supposed to be a P32 sized 380 acp.

[Ala Dan]

Greeting's All-

The NAA .22 magnum with 1-1/8" barrel; cuz
it makes for a perfect "always gun"!:) :uhoh:

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[Landric]

Howdy,

I have had a couple NAA mini revolvers, one in .22LR, one in .22 Magnum. They were fun to shoot at the range, but I would hate to have to be forced to use one in self-defense. They also would have been impossible to qualify with on our course, so I couldn't carry them when I might most need them, when I am working.

I bought a P32 in 1999. I had a lot of problems with it and eventually got rid of it, deciding that a J-frame was as small a pocket gun as I could get that worked. I recently bought another P32 to give it a chance. This one works perfectly, and its possible to get hits at 25 yards with it. I recently shot a 100% on the department qualification course with it. Its a neat little gun, if you get one that works.

I have never shot the NAA .32.

Of your choices though, I'd go with the P32.

[Jim March]

What ambidextrous1 said was correct, UNLESS you pick one of the three rounds that DO work out of short barrels and give far more power than the 22LR out of the same tube.

The three I know of that work:

CCI MaxiMag +V - 30grain JHP, pulls 1,200fps out of a 2" tube per NAA testing. This round is still not likely to expand, the hollow is pretty small. Should punch deep; good choice for a "nose shot".

CCI MaxiMag +V/TNT - same as above, same ballistics, but has a 30grain Sierra projectile with a more advanced JHP, more likely to open at handgun velocities.

Winchester Supreme 33Grain - not quite as fast, but close. I've seen some bad primers though, so I avoid these. CCI rimfire ignition on all their 22Mags have been superb across the three 22Mag wheelguns I've owned.

There *might* be other 22Mag types that work, but I wouldn't bet on it. Most others will deliver 22LR level performance.

30grains @ 1,200fps is no joke. It's as much energy as most 32ACP but in a smaller-diameter, faster package.

As a generalization, "22Mag in a short tube is useless" is accurate, unless you're smart enough to load one of the exceptions to the rule.

[MikeJ]

I love my NAA Guardian .32, a real jewel. Mike

[WonderNine]

The NAA in .22 WMR is just too cute not to buy.

But a royal pain in the butt to reload. And very loud for the actual power you get out of the cartridge and tiny barrel.

And rimfires are not known for their reliability compared to centerfires.

That said, I still might own one someday for the right price.

[Rich357]

The Beretta 3032 Tomcat is a little larger than the pistols you mention but still a nice "mouse gun".

Rich

[WhoKnowsWho]

I vote for the P-32 or if you want to wait (I couldn't) for the P3AT. I don't like firing my wife's Tomcat, the safety hurts the top of my hand, and just hurts her hand in general.

[arinvolvo]

How bout an Autauga? They are cheap, reliable, and pretty much the same gun as the NAA 32.

199 from CDNN investments. I love mine.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=207013

[makdaddy03]

Prices?

[denfoote]

My "always", primary carry and mouse gun all rolled up into one!!! (drum roll, please)

Kahr MK9 Elite 98!!!!!

:cool: :D :cool: :D

Something to read to help you decide!!!!

KAHR MK9 ARTICLE (http://www.gothammarketing.com/rck/kahr.htm)

Some thing to drool at!!! :neener:

[Crimper-D]

All Stainless AMT Backup. Been warned this brand is a crapshoot, as far as functionality is concerned, but mine eats Corbons without any problems. Definately a 'Pocket Rocket' out to 7yds and weighs 18oz.
My only .32ACP is a Spanish made Ruby 1915, definately not a mouse, holds 9 rounds. Adequate with Corbons.;)

[10-Ring]

I really like the Berettas...the 950 Jetfire & the Tomcat :)

[firestar]

I have a Kel-Tec P32 and I can't recomend it because mine had FTE jams and I had to send it back to get fixed. Now after getting it back, the trigger had broke after less than 300 rounds. It will have to go back again.:rolleyes: I can't trust a gun that seems to break for no reason.

I have NEVER seen a tiny auto pistol that wouldn't jam once in a while. It seems that the highest level of pocket gun technology is still the .38 snub. Maybe the Kahr PM9.

[makdaddy03]

Oh Yes! I have been checking out the Beretta Tomcat.

[Majic]

This will take alot of research for me. Everybody probably agree that most any caliber would take out Mickey or Jerry, but Mighty Mouse can absorb some pretty potent hits. :neener:

[22luvr]

I define a mousegun by two criteria: SIZE: being small enough to carry strictly in the pocket. To me, anything that is undetectable in-the-pocket, under most circumstances, when wearing any normal attire, qualifies as a mouse gun. WEIGHT: a very personal thing. For me, anything that weighs a pound or less, including ammo and holster, qualifies as a mouse gun. My favorite small gun is the Kahr MK9 but, good grief, it weighs in the terrirory of 23-24 oz unloaded. Add a mag and 9mm rounds and you have a very hefty 30 ounces - a weight that would soon demolish a pocket.

For instance...............................


Beretta model 21 in .22LR. A somewhat dated design, being a bit heavy and bulky for a small caliber. Liked the tip-up barrel and excellent SA trigger. Terrible sights.

NAA mini-revolver in .22LR.....just plain too small to safely handle in my larger hands.

Kel-Tec P11: Nope, not really a mousegun but a mighty small and potent self-defense handgun for 11 rounds of 9mm. To be a pocket gun, you better have awfully huge pockets for this.

NAA mini-revolver in .22mag. I'll NEVER sell this thing. I bought the aftermarket larger rubber boot grip for it (part #GMM-M on the NAA website) and this one item has turned this gun into a surprisingly accurate and quick-firing mouse gun. With CCI maxi-mag +V ammo out of a 1 1/8" barrel, it gets near 1,000 FPS, a velocity capable of doing damage at close range. I have never-never-never had a light strike or malfunction with any of the 3 minis I have owned.

Kek-Tec P32. I carried one for 3 years and still think it is just about the most ideal mouse gun ever made. Carrying it in an Uncle Mike's size 1 holster makes it virtually undectable in my pocket, regardless of what I'm wearing. I'm now eyeing Kel-Tec's newly introduced P-3AT which is going to sell like mad. Why not? it makes a bigger hole and there is no possibility of rimlock as in the P32.

[Mute]

I prefer this one:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=237758

[Jim March]

Notice the positive comments on the 22Magnum NAAs?

What a lot of people don't realize at first is that the grip frame on a Black Widow (2" barrel) or MiniMaster (4") is the same as the 22Mag minis with 1 and 1/8th or 1 and 5/8ths tubes. All the grips completely interchange.

With smaller grips, the BW is "front-pocketable" and once you paint the front sight orange and do a white rear outline, you've got genuine sights :).

That's the best of the minirevolvers.

I'm probably going to have my MiniMaster chopped to about 2.5" or so and re-dovetailed to take a Tritium front :). THAT will be one "king mouse" :cool:.

[22luvr]

When you get done with the "King mousegun" project, you'd better post some images right here 'cause you've piqued my curiosity.

[tbeb]

Of the three you mentioned, I'd choose the P-32. It is small and light and .32 ACP.

I'll take a .32 ACP over a .22 magnum or .22 LR. I'll take a
.25 ACP over a .22 magnum or .22 LR. Why? Because I trust the ignition reliability of the centerfire .25 and .32.

[Jim March]

I've never had a CCI 22Mag rimfire primer fail to go boom, ever. Winchester, yes. But not CCI, and they've got the best stuff anyways.

And I've shot a LOT of 'em, in three guns.

[22luvr]

Hello TBEB:

I've been shooting .22 rounds since I was about 7 years old (I'm now 57) and I can never recall a light strike on any .22 round of any make or size. I think I've probably sent countless thousands downrange with nary a malfunction. (I mean, after all "I R the 22luvr")

Also, if you can get your hands on an energy table, the .22 mag round, as fired out of NAA short-barreled minis, is close to the .32 auto in energy.

[Greybeard]

Although I don't carry it often anymore, the NAA "convertible" is a great little gun. Real cheap to practice with .22LR cylinder and, as others have said, .22Mag pretty potent with CCI loads. I've also liked ability to find .22 shot loads for snakes, bumblebees and such. Mine came with a nice little leather clip-on holster that makes it almost forgetable when caried IWB at 4:00.

' Also have the Beretta 21A. Mine a little persnickity about what it likes to eat (and needs to be cleaned every 200 or so rounds). Settled on Win. Super X for moderately cheap practice and CCI's new Velocitors for carry load. It has yet to malfunction with the Velocitors.

Not a big fan of "mouse guns" for defensive purposes here, but realize they do have their place. Kahr's PM9 is about the smallest that I am "comfortable" relying upon as minimum for daily carry.

The upcoming Keltec .380 does look interesting. But ... past experience tells me that little puppy may HURT to shoot ... I'll be watching for the first range reports ... ;)

[Greybeard]

.22lvr - Well, a small rebuttal here to rebuttal. At last count, I think I still have at least eight .22 rimfires in various configurations and, at some point, have had misfires ("dud" round) with all of 'em. Admittedly, it is most often with the "bulk" stuff (especially Federal) from Wally World. Maybe I'm just jinxed - or have shot way to many of 'em ... Can't say though that I've ever had a misfire with the CCI stuff bought in boxes of 50 or 100.

[22luvr]

You know, I'm probably living on "borrowed time" regarding .22 LR/.22WMR misfires. I used to buy Remington Thunderbolt .22 LR in 500 round cannisters and the stuff was 100% I now buy CCI Maxi-Mag +V and TNT in smaller 50 round boxes; the same with Winchester Supreme. Most of the stuff went through rifle barrels and that ancient bolt action model 60 of mine really gives the rounds a good smack.

The only quirk I had with rimfires was with my NAA mini where the hammer point split the case on one round and I got a good dose of by-products of combustion back in my face! (love those safety glasses for that reason)

I also keep a box of CCI shot shells but have yet to try them on any venomous reptiles on my property. From a 1 1/8" barrel at about 10 feet, they make a very symmetrical pattern about 2 feet across. I can see how they'd be effective against snakes.

Suffice to say, I feel fairly confident with rimfires and.........
can we say "lucky" so far ??

[makdaddy03]

tbeb, Said that he prefers a 25acp over the 22mag? Whoa.....
I fired a friends little NAA 22mag to see if I really wanted one of these things and that little booger had a very nice pop to it. I sort of like this little gun.:evil: But I'm in no hurry, Ill checkout all of the guns mentioned.

[Greybeard]

22lvr - If ya do decide to take on a snake with the shot loads, the closer the better. :eek: Last big one I got with CCI .22 shot loads took 3 shots. Some of the big mfgrs. make it in crimped loads packaged in boxes of 50 that are considerably less expensive per round than CCI. I found a box by Winchester at Oshmans a while back. I think often stocked by the guy at www.22ammo.com

makdaddy - Not to slam the suggestion on .25, but .22 much easier to find versatile and less expensive ammo for lots of plinking.

[makdaddy03]

I didnt say that I liked the 25acp did I? If so it had to be a type error. I feel the 25acp is a waste of good money.
Im interested in the NAA 22 mag. Thanks people.:)

[blue86buick]

I think I'll get one of the NAA .22LR revolvers this summer for a plinker. So far, the black widow is catching my eye the most. Any smaller and it doesn't seem like it'd be able to do much (accuracy), and bigger and I might as well go with a Model 6....which I don't care for.

[makdaddy03]

Yeah, I like the Black WIdow too. Thats the "Mouse Gun for me.
Thanks All.:D

[Sulaco]

The Kahr PM9 (http://www.kahr.com/pistols_PM9094.html) is the ultimate mouse gun in my opinion.

http://www.kahr.com/images/pm9094.gif

[ctc]

Colt Mustang Pocketlite, .380, 6+1, 11oz (dry).

-- Chuck

[Tommy Gunn]

I recommend getting a Derringer in .32 H&R Magnum or .38 Special chambering.


http://amderringer.com/pix/1c.jpg
American Derringer (http://amderringer.com/)

[russlate]

I like a Berreta 950 with aftermarket 4" bbl, loaded with Gold Dots, with 3 loaded magazines.

The object of the Gold Dots is to be cookie cutters and not skid around the skull but punch thru it. The 4" barrel is to enhance the velocity enough in case I miss the eye/nose or ear cavities.

Given what I know about using a knife, the 25 comes out slightly ahead.

[GeorgeH]

I own 3 Seecamps, 2 Guardians, and three 22 Mag mini revolvers. I love my Guardians the best.

[outfieldjack]

I have had mine for a few months now and love it....

[Richard]

I prefer the Kel-tec P32. Mine was a little shakey at the start; I returned it to the factory and received it back with a new frame. Since then my P32 has been flawless. I like it because it doen't bite the hand that feeds it. Regards, Richard:D

[OEF_VET]

I was planning to buy my fiancee a P32 for her b-day since I was so impressed with mine, but due to her having a hard time working the action I had to rethink it. She's 5'4", 98 lbs., and not possessive of a lot of wrist strentgh. I started to consider a Taurus PT-25 because of the tip up barrel and price. Then, this Saturday I took her to the gun store, because let's face it, she'll know best what's best for her. Well, she decided on a Beretta Tomcat. It's going to run me about $150 more than a PT-25, but the .32 will be a better self-defense round than a .25. Granted it's only marginally better, but it is better.

Frank


Edited: This is post #100, yay, I've made it to Senior Member status!

[RandyB]

I love my Kel-tec p-32. I would be interested in looking at the NAA in .380 though. Had a colt .380, the pony double action. Trigger pull was around 30-35 lbs (ok MAYBE a bit less) and length of pull was 3-4 feet (ok it was less, but still just too dang much!)