Colorado: "Gun law gives rise to jitters"


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cuchulainn
May 17, 2003, 05:57 PM
Blood in the streets blah blah blah

from the Durango Herald

http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/article_generation.asp?article_type=news&article_path=/news/news030517_1.htmGun law gives rise to jitters

May 17, 2003

By Steven K. Paulson
Associated Press Writer

DENVER – Nick Frangos plans to tack up a "no guns" sign next to a "no fighting" sign in his downtown bar.

Frangos, like many business owners across the state, is concerned about a new law that could put thousands more concealed weapons on the streets, in shopping malls, on college campuses and in venues like the Pepsi Center.

"I don’t like this new law at all. Some people get two or three drinks in them and they’re not rational. I’ll put up a sign, but I don’t know what good it will do," the Congress Lounge owner said.

Lawmakers passed two laws this year that paved the way for the biggest expansion of gun rights since the Columbine High School shootings four years ago.

Supporters said the laws were necessary because inconsistent local ordinances left gun owners confused about where they could legally carry concealed weapons.

One law, which takes effect today, requires sheriffs to issue five-year permits to people who pass a fingerprint-based criminal-background check and complete a handgun-training course.

La Plata County Sheriff Duke Schirard said the law is a reiteration of the policy he has followed for the last 8½ years. The only change is that applicants will have to pay more for a permit.

Each applicant will pay $49 for a criminal-history check, generating about $900,000 a year in Colorado. Of that, $385,000 would go to the FBI to pay for fingerprint checks, the rest for state expenses. Police agencies can charge up to $100 for processing.

"I think most of the people in La Plata County who have wanted permits already have them," Schirard said. "So I don’t anticipate seeing a great increase in the number of people who apply through my office."

The law bars guns in public schools and public buildings with security screening, such as courthouses. Ineligible residents include drug or alcohol addicts, those who have restraining orders against them and those convicted of perjury.

The second law, already in effect, removes local control over concealed-weapons permits by establishing a statewide policy that is more liberal than some jurisdictions have allowed.

Authorities in Colorado Springs, Fort Collins and most other big cities in the past have issued hundreds of concealed-gun permits. Officials in Denver and some other governments have rarely issued them, requiring applicants to prove there was a threat against them.

"We’re not really happy with it, without some locality restrictions, but we will be in full compliance with the state law," police Detective John White said.

Schirard, who supports the law, said the law was created because Denver was being too conservative about issuing permits, was not honoring permits obtained from other jurisdictions and was setting its own rules for carrying concealed weapons.

"They were the ones that really caused this law to be passed," said Schirard, adding that "I can’t think of a place anywhere in the state other than Denver where someone would need a weapon more than Denver for self-protection."

Schirard is within the top three in the state for issuing the most concealed-weapons permits per capita. None of the people he has issued a permit to has misused it, he said.

"I don’t care if I’m the first, second or third," Schirard said. "I don’t care if I’m 63rd. I’m not in a race with anybody."

The new laws have been sharply criticized by some mayors and others who believe the result will be more violence.

Colorado, Minnesota and New Mexico passed permissive gun laws this year, while Nebraska, Illinois and California rejected them, said Luis Tolley, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Several other states, including Kansas and Wisconsin, did not even try because of threatened vetoes.

Gun-rights supporters are getting more states to pass liberal gun laws by agreeing to restrictions they rejected in the past, including limits on guns in public schools, Tolley said.

"Their proposals are more moderate, because anytime, anywhere laws were not being adopted," he said.

Statewide, roughly 15,000 concealed-handgun permits have been issued. About 21,500 new applications are expected over the next year.

Staff Writer Shane Benjamin contributed to this report.

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Standing Wolf
May 17, 2003, 06:57 PM
"They were the ones that really caused this law to be passed," said Schirard, adding that "I can’t think of a place anywhere in the state other than Denver where someone would need a weapon more than Denver for self-protection."

If not for Denver, Colorado would be one of the safest, sanest places in the nation. It's still a great state, mind, but Denver is definitely determined to be the Los Angeles of the Rocky Mountains.

justice4all
May 18, 2003, 02:06 PM
I'm getting the jitters cuz I'm worried that places will start posting "no guns" signs. I fully support the right of private property owners to do so, but I hope our side is ready with the same sort of boycott campaign that has worked well in other states after they went shall issue. I for one will not hesitate to let businesses know why they are losing me as a customer, and that I've been CCW peacefully for several years in their establishment. But I hope RMGO does something that will make it easier for the more timid to complain, and that will allow us to present a united front.

Dan Morris
May 18, 2003, 02:24 PM
SW, Denver is already the LA of the midwest!Scary part is it's getting fullmoon syndrome every day!LOL
Dan

Standing Wolf
May 18, 2003, 05:43 PM
Hello, Dan Morris!

I'll take your word for it. I go to Denver when it's unavoidable, but doubt I'd feel safe even with a .357 magnum close to hand. It seems to be a city in dire need of adult supervision.

Monkeyleg
May 18, 2003, 06:20 PM
Gives rise to "jitters?" Is that anything like "shingles" or "scurvy?"

I love this: "Several other states, including Kansas and Wisconsin, did not even try because of threatened vetoes."

We haven't even started yet here in WI because we're waiting for a state supreme court decision that will likely shoot down some or all of the existing prohibition on concealed carry.

Other than getting a few facts wrong, the writer did get some things right. For example, he spelled "Wisconsin" correctly. :barf:

DonQatU
May 18, 2003, 10:32 PM
Nick Frangos plans to tack up a "no guns" sign next to a "no fighting" sign in his downtown bar.

Man this is a HOOT!

I wonder if Mr. Frangos' "no fighting" signs have worked at his establishment. Isn't fighting already against the law?

I think carrying concealed weapons in a bar was also illegal before the new concealed carry laws were passed. AND concealed carry in bars is also illegal under the NEW concealed carry laws. So why does Mr. Frangos think the new laws are going to increase illegal carry in his bar?!!!!

:confused:

Don

justice4all
May 18, 2003, 11:03 PM
Under prior and/or present law, CCW with a permit in a bar is legal in Colorado. It's only illegal to be in possession of a weapon while "under the influence."

DonQatU
May 19, 2003, 12:17 AM
It's only illegal to be in possession of a weapon while "under the influence."

And "under the influence" is determined by what criteria???

Better be the designated driver if you have to shoot somebody in self defence!

Don

WonderNine
May 19, 2003, 01:16 AM
Two or three drinks in em' and they "become irrational" huh?

Is that all it takes to get drunk nowadays?

I'm on my 6th beer in the past two hours and I feel just fine!

:D

general
May 19, 2003, 02:58 AM
I wonder if Mr. Frangos' "no fighting" signs have worked at his establishment. Isn't fighting already against the law?
Just as much good as the "No serving the visibly intoxicated" signs.
Denver is great to visit.... if you're armed. Ever been to LODO after a Rockies game? I go up several times a year.... Stayed in a hotel up there... needed to get cream for the AM coffee (the girl, you know) went to the closest place.. what a hole! Now, don't take offense or anything, but it was FULL of WM's, DD's and HB'ers, as well as a few bangers, loiterers filling the parking lot. Buying beer and lotto tickets.
Arm thyself!

t-money
May 19, 2003, 11:19 AM
. . . . and the blood will be just floooooooowing in the streets. :uhoh: And I love it every time some newspaper quotes the Brady Bunch, as if they are this impartial group that has no agenda whatsoever.

I agree with what has been said on these boards in the past. If a business posts a 'no firearms' sign, they quickly and easily show me who should be boycotted.

foghornl
May 19, 2003, 02:32 PM
Too bad there is not a "No Blathering Idiots" law. Would take acre of about half of congress, 75% of the media, and average 90+% for **********, ILL, MD, & NJ...:evil:

Destructo6
May 19, 2003, 02:36 PM
Lawmakers passed two laws this year that paved the way for the biggest expansion of gun rights since the Columbine High School shootings four years ago.
I stopped reading right there. Talk about your loaded sentance. What expansion of gun rights happened at Columbine?

Baba Louie
May 19, 2003, 05:50 PM
"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!", said Chicken Little to no one in particular.

The mommies and scaredy cats of the world are worried. Blood in the streets?

Hardly.

Prudent people concerned with their own well being? Take a class, go thru the process, get a license (pay another tax) to exercise your right to keep the king of england outta your face?

As in all things, Time will tell.

Adios

SDC
May 19, 2003, 07:31 PM
Has anyone ever written to these idiots 3 or 4 years AFTER the fact, and asked them what was wrong when the peons DIDN'T start having shootouts over traffic accidents? This "bloodbath" scenario is repeated in every state that passed CCW laws, and I haven't heard of a single "bloodbath" yet; wouldn't they like a chance to explain why they were wrong about their previous predictions?

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