1858 Rem questions


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Vermonter
October 26, 2006, 07:53 PM
Few questions about the 1858 Remington

Is it DA or SA?

Does it have a safety? Is it safe to carry uncocked, or what's the best way to carry it?

I've seen carbines that use the same action, are they any good? Are there rifles available?

Cabella's has them. What are other sources?

How much does it weigh loaded?

Thanks for any info :)

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Tommygunn
October 26, 2006, 08:54 PM
The 1858 Remmington is a single action revolver. Safety? That depends on what you mean by safety. It doesn't if you mean "safety" in the modern sense. It has no hammerblock, or little toggle switch.
There are notches milled into the heel of the cylinder half way between the nipples. The nose of the hammer may be lowered into one so a loaded revolver may be carried safely. (Modern safety regs say to leave one chamber empty and lower the hammer on that.)
I don't have a rifle version. One thing I understand about the rifle or carbine version is one must keep your non trigger hand in BACK of the cylinder face, because hot gasses and particles can fly out and hurt you. This is typical of "revolver rifles" and not a flaw in the Remington design.
Cabelas has them, Dixie Gun Works, Navy Arms, and others. Cabelas will be made by Pietta, and Dixie willl have both Pietta and Uberti. Uberti is usually considered a better brand and are more expensive. Some people may disagree about the quality being different.
I don't know what the Remington weighs offhand, but it isn't much different than many other revolvers of similar size.

Steve499
October 26, 2006, 09:08 PM
The 1858 Remington is made by Uberti and Pietta. There may be others but I'd stick with those manufacturers. They are single action only and can be carried with the hammer nose resting in a notch milled into the rear of the cylinder for that purpose. There is no other safety. I haven't a clue what they weigh loaded. They are sold by Dixie gun works, Taylors, S&S Firearms, Track of the Wolf and most gun shops I've visited have one or two on display.

The carbine's utility could be debated on and on, so I'll just say that they will work fine within their limitations. Shooting glasses and two hands on the pistol grip are required. I don't know of any revolving rifle being offered by anyone except Palmetto's copy of the Colt Root revolving rifle. I would rather throw my money into a fire than gamble on getting a good Palmetto! They may accidently send out a good one but their reviews are uniformly bad. My own personal experience with them bore that out.

My Pietta 1858 Remington it one of the most accurate pistols I own, outshooting even my S&W K frame .38 target revolver with match wadcutters. That was a surprise, but a welcome one. Most report they have good accuracy with their 1858s.

Steve

husker67
October 26, 2006, 09:41 PM
A complete newcomer to black powder revolvers, I was shocked at the accuracy of my Pietta replica of the Remington 1858 --- it placed 12 shots into a 2" hole at 15 yards, mostly two-handed shooting --- just about what I do with my 1911 or Glock 17 ---I too am very pleased, and surprised...the former owner verified that his shooting had been the same as my results...
This was my only worry with the 1858, and I don't worry anymore....

sundance44s
October 27, 2006, 08:22 AM
It just don`t get any better than a 1858 Remington .. my Smith is also getting lonely in the gun safe ... and the Remmie is the best of both worlds with the conversion cylinder ..Something about the big bore 44 just does it for me ..even with reduced loads .

Blindshooter
October 27, 2006, 01:05 PM
According to data I got from the net.
A Uberti/Remington 1858 New Model Army .44 Revolver
with a Barrel length of 8"
Weight: 2.69 pounds unloaded.

I don't have a scale, so This is just a subjective estimation on my part. But my 1858 fully loaded with cowboy loads feels like it ways around 5 pounds.

BlindShooter

sundance44s
October 27, 2006, 01:21 PM
Compaired to the Colt Walker ..the Remmie is a pocket pistol ..Thats part of the good feel of these black powder hand guns , run out of bullets and its a good hammer .

Blindshooter
October 27, 2006, 02:21 PM
Quote Compaired to the Colt Walker ..the Remmie is a pocket pistol

I'm cerious, how easy is it to remove the cylinder from the walker Colt as comp aired to the 1858 Remington?
I know taking the cylinder in and out of my 1860 army colt is a real Paine. Thank god I don't have to do it in a battle.

BlindShooter

mec
October 27, 2006, 02:31 PM
Remington:
put on half cock. Unlatch and pull down the loading lever. Pull forward on the base pin. Cylinder rolls out to the right.

Colt:
Put on half cock. Nuckle the wedge key to the side. Pull off the barrel. pull the cylinder off the arbor.

tpeck111
November 13, 2006, 06:27 AM
Cabela's sells four Uberti-made models available: the Remington 1858 New model Army Carbine with an 18 inch barrel, a Colt .45 SAA replica with a matte finish and brass backstrap and triggerguard (FFL purchase only), the 1848 Colt Pocket pistol, and the 1847 Colt Walker .44.

ALL of these guns, sold by CABELAS, are entirely manufactured by UBERTI, and not Pietta, They are all suberb guns. I own them all, and bought them all from Cabelas, with the exception of the .45 which I had to buy through my local FFL gun shop. All other Cabela-sold BP guns are Piettas. there is nothing wrong with Piettas at all. they are just as good as Ubertis. this is 2006, not 1995. Quality of Piettas have improved ten-fold since then. You can't go wrong with either a Pietta or an Uberti. This is a fact. Anyone that says different is a peewit. Having said all of that guff, my favorite BP gun is my Uberti Rem 1858 New Army Carbine. Like the guy before said, there is a safety notch between the nipples on both Colt and Rem replicas. That safety works just fine, unless you are a complete clumbsy slob, and hit the hammer with your fist several dozen time to make it somehow slip down to strike a cap. This would take a great deal of purposeful effort, regardless of what the "official" rules of safety are in the manual. Get your hands on one, put the hammer in the notch, and a blind man will see what I am talking about.

leave the hammer in the notch, end of story. They are all good guns, end of story. If they break, which ANY gun, regardless of make or country of origin can do, send it back to Cabelas and they will replace it, no questions asked. My Uberti 1848 pocket pistol broke a spring in the trigger assembly, and Cabelas sent me a brand new gun within two weeks.

If you MUST insist on an Uberti 1858 Rem pistol, them get one from texasjacks.com. they are decent people that will surely help with any malfunctions of the Ubertis they sell might encounter.

tpeck111
November 13, 2006, 06:29 AM
Oh, and by the way, the Uberti 1858 Rem New Army Carbine weighs about 5 pounds fully loaded.

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