[revolverman357]

I went to a local outdoor range that was having a bowling pin shoot. The range is at a gun shop I was at to buy some powder, bullets and primers. The owner invited me to shoot with them last sunday.
By the time I left I felt humiliated because of the rude remarks that were made about my Ruger Gp100 and my friends Taurus. We probably will never go back. Everyone there was shooting S&W revolvers and the owner of the gun shop there is a staunch S&W shooter and armoror. I own some S&W, but my Ruger just shoots better for me and I shot pretty well that day, considering I did not have the gun everybody thought I should have. No wonder I have always been a loner when it comes to shooting. Just me and a friend or two is good enough for me after this catastrophe.

[MCgunner]

I belong to a local club an there are no punks in it. Besides, I usually win all the local matches around here, so they don't lampoon my Ruger P90 a whole lot after it beat their high dollar Kimber. :neener: If I brought a Hi Point I might deserve to be ridiculed, but the Ruger shuts up any descent. :D

[RBS]

I wouldn't go back either. That's what I like about my club. Everyone is friendly. About 3 months I just showed up for one of the pin shoots, never done it before and I had blast. there was badgering but it was friendly. I haven't missed one since.

[.38 Special]

Nope, no reason to put up with that. I am a die-hard S&W fan but have zero patience for the sorts of people who will make fun of other's guns.

[BobMcG]

Without a doubt that sort of thing is nonsense. It certainly isn't the correct path for enlisting new blood into the sport of shooting and a very poor way to recruit new members into that club.

[10-Ring]

It's not about what you shoot it's about the sport & the comraderie. Don't go back if that's the kind of people they are & attract.
Me, if I hear an inkling of smack re: the guns I shoot, I usually just out shoot them and shut them up that way. I'm not the best shot in town, but usually those guys that talk crap don't know what they're talking about & usually shoot the same way.
Joke'em...don't have time for those jack holes :cuss:

[tubeshooter]

Yeah, that's uncalled for. You shouldn't have to put up with that.


Shame on them....

[sgt127]

In a perfect world, you would outshoot them with your Ruger and then, beat the two guns together until parts fell off the Smith and then outshoot whoever is left with your Ruger.

You have nothing to be ashamed of with a Ruger.

[M2 Carbine]

Ever have someone make fun of your guns at the range?
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Not actually make fun of but,

In the early 60's there was a gun club at work. One of the shoots was 22 pistol, indoor 50 feet. Slow, timed and rapid fire, 300 points. As I recall the slow fire ten ring was about the size of a dime.

The only 22 pistol I had was a Ruger Single Six. Everyone shook their heads and started telling me I had to get a semi auto target pistol. That single action "cowboy gun" wouldn't allow me to be a contender.

After about the third time competing and being the 3rd or 4th best shooter in the club with my "cowboy gun" all the members would do is shake their heads when they looked at my gun.:D

I did eventually invest in a bull barrel Ruger Mark 1, which didn't make those other shooters happy.


I don't pay attention to Gun Snobs.
Seldom can they put their money where their mouth is.:)

[Baldy]

Go join another club that has real gun people in it and practice and practice somemore till you can shoot them pins in your sleep. When ready go back and lay it on them boys real good. Hope you take frist place if you do this. One more thing you have a quality revolver in a Ruger GP 100 and it will shoot with anything out there. Good luck.:D

[plexreticle]

I very seriously doubt any of those idiots could out shoot your Ruger or Taurus.

Personally I would take a Taurus over a S&W any day of the week. Taurus revolvers there is no comparison in quality, imho.

When you tease or make fun of someones equipment all that does is show insecurity in your abilities as a shooter.

[ACP230]

My guns? No.

My shooting? Yes.

And I usually deserved it too.

I was at a big bowling pin match once with a motorhome. I was up on the top of it working on a skylight. Another competitor came by and said something like,

"Hey ACP don't jump! You didn't shoot that bad."

Cracked us both up.

[M2 Carbine]

Good natured kidding about shooting or guns is good fun.

I dislike Glocks. (but they are accurate)

A while back a good friend was shooting at my place and I asked to use his Glock to try out some 9mm Win White box ammo that I had just bought several cases of.

I was having a good day and emptied the magazine into a small cloverleaf at 15 yards.

I handed back his Glock and said, "Not bad for a plastic foreign POS.":D

[SouthpawShootr]

Kind of silly to make fun of somebody with a loaded gun whose mental disposition you don't know and who almost certainly has enough ammo to light up everybody in the place, wouldn't you say? :uhoh:

I only rib my buddies about their arms choices or shooting and even then it's all in good humor. I usually only get ribbed by my friends. Everybody else I ignore.

If I see a person shooting a gun that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole, I might observed them for a bit - who knows I may be convinced to change my mind. I may even ask a question of two if they seem receptive. But what I will not do is grin like an idiot every time the gun malfunctions or laugh at them or their gun. Not necessarily b/c I feel like they may snap, but the wrong way to sway people to your way of thinking is to ridicule them. Some people are unusually sensitive about their guns.

I'm also inclined to allow people who are interested a chance at shooting a gun of mine that they may find appealing or ask about. I get this every so often when I'm shooting a PPC revolver my dad had made up years ago. Darn thing looks more imposing that a S&W 500. And, with 148 gr HBWC match loads, it will shoot groups that are very impressive. I once had a guy ask me what the heck I was shooting. It was making an impressive boom. The gun? An AMT Automag II. Should have seen his eyes pop out :what: when he saw it was a .22. :D

BTW, nothing wrong with a GP or Taurus. I have examples of both.

[Skofnung]

I had a kid call my old M&P a "old relic" on the range once, but after shooting it, he liked it. I gently reminded him that just because a tool is old does not make ineffective. My 150 year old chisels still cut wood as well as the day they were made, and the bronze swords in the British Museum will kill just as well today as they did 3000 years ago.

The only group that ever made me feel the way you felt after leaving the shoot was a group of trap shooters. I showed up with my Baikal SXS and shot a respectable round, and two of the regulars started berating my gun in a not nice way. Nevermind that I tied one of them, and the other hit only two more birds than me. Snobs. What can you do?

[erich w]

I've never had that happen to me at the range but I have when I was going to go deer hunting and they wanted to know what kind of rifle I use and I told them an enfield, god knows I could buy a newer or more expensive rifle with al sorts of scopes and what not but I like my enfield its never failed me and I trust my eyes as they are without the help of any fancy sights or scopes, if you are comfortable with the gun you have screw what other people think, its not a popularity contest.

[Beetle Bailey]

I thought proper decorum was to never insult a guest, and also to never insult another person's gun. In any situation, it is bad form to invite someone to a social gathering and proceed to make them feel out of place. Beyond that, if they are true believers in the S&W way of life and wish to convert you to their faith, they should offer to let you try their guns. If their choice is so right, and yours so wrong, it shouldn't take very many rounds to convince you, right?

Bottom line is, you are better off without those guys and should try other ranges until you find one with shooters who are a bit more welcoming.

[SnWnMe]

Find another range. You shouldn't have to put up with feeble minds who cannot promote their equipment choices without putting someone else's down.

[SigfanUSAF]

Oh yeah. Before I refinished my model 10, I had a lot of people make cracks about it. I had it and my somewhat rough 1990 vintage at the range one day, when several people came over and asked if I picked the pair up in Afganistan. I said no, and opened up the cases in my Explorer, yeilding 2 ARs, a new 220R, two USPs, an M1 carbine, HK-93, and a few other toys. Their snickering faces sooned turned to jelousy, and I got my revenge when I said they couldn't shoot the 93:D

[Eightball]

They only make fun of my stuff because they have no idea what half of it is. Ever see a Saiga .308 with a 8xPSOP on top? Looks funky. Impossible to zero, but they don't know that :p .

Usually, the people who make fun of what I own are old coots who swear by what their "uncle joe" told them was the best guns ever back in 1946 :rolleyes: . Sure, I might not own the best, the most advanced, or the most popular (I take pride in that last one :D ), but if you can shoot it, who cares?

[SouthpawShootr]

The only group that ever made me feel the way you felt after leaving the shoot was a group of trap shooters. I showed up with my Baikal SXS and shot a respectable round, and two of the regulars started berating my gun in a not nice way. Nevermind that I tied one of them, and the other hit only two more birds than me. Snobs. What can you do?

Probably felt insulted that you did so well with an (relatively) inexpensive shotgun. Your account reminded me of something that happened years ago. My buddy and I were at an outdoor range that had a sheet range. My buddy wanted to try out his new shotgun (a bargain basement Remington 870 that he bought exclusively for hunting). While he was shooting another guy showed up to shoot and watched. Asked my friend what he was shooting. When told, the guy just kind of shook his head, chucked, and went on. Pulled out a really nice Beretta semi and started. Well, I don't know anything about trap or skeet, but it seemed to me that this guy was much worse a shooter compared to my friend in spite of the fact that he had a name brand, obviously expensive gun. Guy seemed to get a bit agitated with his performance, then he experienced a parts failure (my friend said firing pin) and left. We laughed the whole way home.

[MrBigStuff]

would make fun of somebody holding a gun. I usually keep to myself at the range. I would never make fun of a persons gun ( this stays true of one's job, car, financial situation, etc.). Only someone with low self-esteem would say something stupid at the range. However, I did have to hold my tongue on a couple of occasions...ever see anyone with a huge rifle scope on a .22 pistol or leopard print pistol grips:rolleyes: .

[Mighty Hd]

I don't think it's a wise idea to make fun/tease someone else about their weapon at a *gun range*. That sounds a bit stupid to me.

[JMag]

It's both rude and extremely stupid to make fun of others' guns at the range; especially if they are not close friends with you.

Ask for trouble, it might find you...

[LeonCarr]

Most gun snobs make fun of your guns at the range, until they get their money taken by some old geezer with a S&W Model 10 .38 Special with all of the blue worn off :).

Its not the song, its the singer :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

[sicario103]

Well, they didn't make fun of us directly but by the way they were "acting" and the way they looked at you said alot. They were carrying Glocks and all kinds of Glock accessories. In the end, they were just a couple of losers who thought they were all that cause of what they were carrying but were too scared to back it up.

[critter]

I have had a guy with a 30-30 lever gun poo-poo my Contender super 14" in the same caliber.

Then he shot his getting minute-of-five-gallon-bucket groups at 100 yds. Mine put 3 inside 1" at 100 yds. He never said another word-just put his in the truck and left!

[M2 Carbine]

LeonCarr
Most gun snobs make fun of your guns at the range, until they get their money taken by some old geezer with a S&W Model 10 .38 Special with all of the blue worn off .


Now that gave me a good laugh.:D

I bought my first Model 10 in 1960. A two inch barrel for off duty carry.
Today it shoots as good or better than new.:)

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[Clipper]

The folks at the local range refer to my wife's Phoenix HP-22 as 'the BIC pen of handguns'...But it shut 'em up real fast when I removed her (7-yard) targets (with some real tiny groups, BTW) by shooting the tacks out with it...offhand! Like to laughed myself sick on the way home.

[E5]

what they don't understand.

Many love to bash Taurus. I shot my fathers Model 66 357 today for the second time and I'll tell you that damn thing shoots quite nicely. Who cares what make it is when it feels good and punches the center out of the target?

[The Lone Haranguer]

This has never happened to me ... yet. If anyone is going to make unsolicited remarks, they had better A- be in the form of good-natured ribbing, B- be compliments (e.g., "Nice gun" or "Nice shooting"), or C- of a helpful nature. I have seen people next to me with blatantly unreliable firearms that wouldn't even fire two consecutive shots, but it was none of my business and I didn't say anything. I am also the type that likes to rib people, but this is just with my friends (both of them;)) and I wouldn't do it to a total stranger.

[Eightball]

I'll admit, every now and then I rib someone about their firearms. But, in the same breath, I ask them if I can try it out :rolleyes: . All in good fun.

"Wow, whatever it is you're shooting looks hideous. Can I try it?" :p

[RH822]

Yes, at one time I owned a Jennings J22...

Do I really need to elaborate?
RH

[Hawaiian]

With friends, you can rib them some. They understand and will just tell you to STFU. With others, especially someone new to the range, it is just plain bad manners to trash their gun, knife, or anything else.

[Confederate]

Yep, I had a scoped Raven .25 with a target trigger, a 20-round clip and a custom holster. Some people snickered at my rig til they saw me repeatedly shoot one ragged holes at 7 yards using a bench rest! Hee hee, that showed 'em!

There's just no pleasin' some folks. Wouldn't take it too seriously, though, if I were you. When them Smiths all shoot loose, that there gunsmith feller will be chargin' premium prices to get 'em back in time and tightening their little screws so their sideplates don't fall off.

[Socrates]

Well, I've taken not ridicule, but, a bit of ribbing. The range master came over, checking out my lil guns. I had just bought a 500 Linebaugh Maximum Ruger, 475 Freedom Arms 83, with leupold scope, and my other guns.

The grips on these guns made hitting much of anything very difficult, since I had to hold on super tight, and, I was not shooting them well.

I think I bounced a couple 400 grain bullets into the target at 25 yards. they also had bugs bunny barrel bands on em.

Those guns are fixed, triggers are better, and, that FA shoots one hole at 25 yards, clover leaf if I'm off at 50, and they don't say anything anymore....

S

[Cato the Younger]

I am a young and inexperienced shooter- but I feel for the original poster. What difference does is make if your gun is 400 or 4000 dollars? Yes, there are most likely major differences in craftsmanship- however, whatever you shoot with is what works for you. One of my mentors here at my graduate school is a man who has been practicing law for 50 years...and he shares my affection for guns. He has several NICE collections of firearms- however, he did not disapprove of me purchasing a Springfield XD for my first centerfire pistol- he simply said that if I shot it well, and it was reliable, that I would be served well, so long as I practiced with it. He then mentioned that he carries either a .40 or 9mm Sig. To me, that is the type of older shooter that keeps us younger guys in the game. Someone who shows us what we may aspire to, but also takes the time to teach us to wring everything out of our current firearms.

[SAvulgarghost]

In high school I went trap shooting with a couple of buddies who both owned their own guns, one a nice 870 and the other something I don't remember (I really didn't know much about makes and models then) that was short but he definitely had practice with it. I didn't own a shotgun but used the rattly old no-name loaner gun the range had for the first time, and on a windy day outshot them both by more than six pigeons.

Never heard them brag up their shotties in my presence again :p

[grimjaw]

Yes, but this gun has that affect on people. ;)

http://www.grimjaw.net/mig/albums/theboomgoesthere/handgun/revolver/sbh-1.jpg

jm

[DWARREN123]

Rugers are my favorite revolvers. I have a KGP-161 and 3 SP-101's.

Anyone who would put down a mans guns, dogs or drink is not to tolerated by polite society.

[dbarale]

I hate gun snobs too...
While some ribbing is expected from my friends, and actually enjoyable since it's part of the fun of social shooting, bashing some stranger's gun is rude and unacceptable.
I remember being at an indoor range talking to the kid in the next lane, he was shooting an older Taurus 80 or 82. That gun was the only one he could afford and he was pretty good with it.
Some jackass walked by and made a comment about "that brazilian POS...", same jackass who was shooting his Glock with his eyes closed and couldn't hit anything with it, but he was really fast :banghead:
I carried a Rossi 88 for a long time and got some pretty dumb comments about that one too.
Now that I think of it, most of the time that kind of behavior comes from a Glock shooting guy with "tactical pants", "tactical thigh holster", "extreme combat boots" and "extreme tactical operator underwear" to match...:rolleyes:

[Stainz]

Most of my range 'friends' who are IPSC competitors do so with race-guns... and generally berate all roundguns. When I am on the range plinking, they'll often walk up quizzing "Hey, Old Dude, what ya shoot'in? Ah, another 'Old Dude Gun'!". That always fades when I let them try one... everyone appreciates a nice revolver.They especially can't believe how 'easily and effortlessly' they make major power factor.

Now, if I want some ridicule, I just get out an 1895 Nagant and bore them to tears with what I have to do to make my ammo. Or, if I am really nasty, I get out my SS Ruger Old Army cap and ball and let loose with some real black powder... a surefire method of clearing the adjacent lanes!

Stainz

[the pistolero]

Anyone who would put down a mans guns, dogs or drink is not to tolerated by polite society.

+1 to the 10th power...and to anyone who will denigrate my KGP-141, I say, would you like to hold my targets? :D I am a 1911 man through and through, but I'd never make fun of anyone's Glock (or anything else, for that matter), and that's because a of a true sense of gunnie brotherhood, not because I'm afraid I'd get shot at, because, well, I'm not. Find another range that has better people to shoot with, indeed...

[Master Blaster]

A couple of weeks ago i was at the rifle range, went in the shoot house and set up to shoot my 16" flat top AR. A few minutes after I arrived two yahoos in their early 50s showed up. They were both setting up 20" colt ar-15s on heavy duty rifle rests, with lead shot bag weights on them.

I was shooting off a sandbag only, actually holding the rifle. So one of the gents comes over unsolicited and asks me what I am shooting. I mentioned that I had built my rifle using a Rock River 16" midlength upper a bushmaster lower and a RRA 2 stage trigger. Gent one's comment was something like Ohh Rock River isnt that a peice of crap cheapo made in the Phillipines. I politely replied that they were made by folks in Illinois, to which both gents guffawed and pointed out to me that they had REAL COLTS, one was a match something and the other was a Hbar.

They then proceeded to advise me that the Colts routinely shoot 1/2" 5 shot groups at 100 yards. Colts he volunteers always shoot the smallest groups, and a 16" barrel isnt going to do that he opines. I smiled politely and commented that was nice.

So we go hang some targets, I'm using a sheet of blank paper cut in fours with a nickle sized orange dot in the center of each. They have some of those fancy shoot n sees with the 4" dot.

So I start shooting and notice that the two rambos wannabees are also shooting chuckling and boasting about how good their colt rifles shoot. I then notice that they are scoping my targets, and not saying much, its grown real quiet. One of them asks me what ammo I'm shooting as I finnish putting a 5 shot group on the last of my 8 targets. I tell him that its my hand load, and then there is silence.

So I suggest a target change. They are now packing up their rifles and gear and getting ready to leave. I ask if they want to go down range to get their targets, both men decline.

So I go down range I get my targets which have a .60 inch smallest group on one, and the others are all about 1" for 5 shots all centered on the orange dot, typical for this rifle and my handload.

The other guys targets???? shots look like a shotgun pattern at 40 yards.

Ohh well so much for gun snobs. :neener:

[lee n. field]

In kind of a backhanded, complimentary way.

Class I took once, the instructor borrowed my Ruger P90, shot 6 closely spaced holes in the head region of the target, and remarked to me "Who says Rugers can't shoot?"

I got laughed at in a store, once. Pimply faced kid, barely old enough to be handling the merchandise himself, laugh when I inquired after Makarov ammo.:fire:

[axeman_g]

I have run into a few memorable ones. In the mid to late 90's the guys that all laughed at my "commie handgun" a CZ85 combat bacuase they had never seen one before. Now it seems that they all bought one version, or another. Same with CZ rifles.

I have been shooting a old, worn first version Taurus 92 in some IDPA matches here. The gun is a brilliant version of the beretta, shoots very fast and never hiccups. Well all the big $$ gun owners all laughed at it, till I am competitive with or outshoot them.

I will never understand gun snobs, EVER. But I have no tolerance for dog snobs. My english setter is a field dog, only cost me $200, has a pedigree and she looks more spaniel then setter at times especially when I clip her feathers for hunting season. I LOVE when she outperforms dogs costing 10x more then her, with full time training regimens, etc etc. I have a memory of these 2 Delta airline pilots that were at our hunt club one day, start laughin about my dogs looks and that she cant be no setter, wont hunt, sorry gate so forth and so on. So they left and I waited for them to get out a bit, then trailing them by about 1/2 mile, I proceeded to shoot 4 pheasant , 3 chukar and a few quail for good luck over her. I caught up with them around the trucks, started cleaning birds and watering the dog just to see them flyers. Lets just say that I hope those gentleman weren't planning on feeding many people beyond themselves off their dogs performance and their shooting. Heard some great weather related reasons why they had no luck and somehow the areas behind them must have cooled off and was holding scent better after they passed through.

[cmidkiff]

I will openly admire a nice firearm that someone has at the range, but on stuff I don't like, I will only give my opinion if I am asked. Even then, I won't tell the guy who's proud of his brand new pot-metal POS that I think it's garbage.

I have had people snicker a bit when I get to the range and pull my P3AT from my pocket, but they usually quiet down when I break out whatever range toys I brought along. I've had people at the long range benches give my .17 Savage 93 a few sour looks, until I started shooting it :)

I did run into a guy a few months back that was shooting a brand new XD-9, badly. He was complaining that the sights must be off, since he couldn't hit the target at 25 yards. He asked if I'd check it out for him, and I put 5 in a row into the center of the target. Hmmm, sights seem to be fine to me... :neener:

[2ndamd]

I have had this happen many times. But, I can outshoot all the people rude enough to make fun of what I am shooting.

Case 1. I went shooting one day with work "friends" (we were all LEO). Lot's of testosterone in this group. I decided to bring my Ruger P95. One of them had a Beretta 96 and the other a Glock 23. First they berate my caliber (9mm) then they berate my gun maker (Ruger). We decided that we would set-up a hostage target (shoot/no shoot). Whoever could get the most rounds on the bad guy was treated to lunch from the other two. In the event of a tie the tightest group would win. I had a free STEAK for lunch that day. One of those Officers now owns a Ruger P95 he liked it so much.

Case 2. I was alone. My work errands had me close to my local indoor range. I stopped by to shoot 200 rounds of .38 WWB. I did not have my gun so I rented a range rental Ruger GP100.
On the range a group of professional looking people were all shooting and talking smack to each other. They were making fun of an "old timer" on their dept that still used a revolver. They were all shooting Glocks. I began to shoot my range rental gun. A VERY VERY dirty 4" brl GP100 in .38 special with a heavy brl lug and fixed sights.
Soon one of the men came over to see what gun I was using to get such tight groups. Then, a few more came over. That day I gave the Olathe' KS detectives a lesson in "aim small miss small". They were seeing the whole target and not fixing their sights on just one point of the target. We then discussed how to apply that to real world senarios. Like if you are going to shoot at a perp in a life or death situation focus your sight on the botton of their shirt or the pocket, or the graphic design on their t-shirt. The point is they were not able to group their shots because they were using the whole target to shoot instead of focusing on the "x" ring or the # 9 of the target for each shot.
I am cheap. So I use a target 5 times to shoot at. upper left (UL), UR, BL, BR, then the middle.

I don't think some people understand what they are mocking. Then, there are those that know better but, mock anyways......and these are the true gun snobs, that can give our sport a bad name.

Didn't someone once say "An armed society, is a polite society"?

[strambo]

I had a guy tell me I should practice with a gun that was good for killing people while I was shooting my 22/45. :confused: Ok...my first thought was the cliche about now many people have been killed with .22s. My second thought was; did he not see the big, honkin' .44 Magnum on my hip?:uhoh: Weirdos.:rolleyes: The .22 was for targets, the .44 Magnum was for crazies. ;)

[Geno]

I was at the outdoor range, firing my 1911 with a .22LR upper. A guy came over, sat down on the seat at the bench beside me and said, "For a minute there I thought you was shootin' a real gun!" He pulled out his S&W revolver and began firing.

I reached into my bag, pulled out my T/C Encore pistol with 15" ported barrel and launched a .270 Win hand-load with 130 grain Nosler over 64 grains of Accurate 3100.

The concussion blew the lid of his "fishing" box shut 5 feet away. He stood up, said, "You could have warned me first!"

I asked him if he wanted to use my credit card to go scrape his leg clean. He scoffed at me and walked off in a huff.

I returned to shooting my 1911 with .22LR upper. I seriously didn't think it would have that much concussion. Usually nobody sits beside me. Guess now I know why.

Doc2005

[Rumble]

Yep. Well, not exactly my guns, but my choice of caliber. There's a range here where I work (it's a university, with a ROTC program, and they do rifle qualification and stuff). The range is not generally a public range, but there are weekly shoots and stuff. I was interested in participating, and called the guy who coordinated the whole thing.

So, on the phone with me, he starts off by chiding me for not immediately volunteering information about my age, employment, and so forth. Annoying, but I figure, hey, free range time. Then he asks what caliber I shoot, and I say, "Nine." (At this point, I own one gun--a CZ P-01--and am just getting into shooting). His response?

"I'm sorry." And he sure didn't mean, "I'm sorry, I didn't catch that."

I was a bit surprised, and sorta paused for a long beat, and then said, "Thank you for your time. Goodbye." That was it. Never got to try out the range. Some things aren't worth the irritation.

[lawboy]

One sad thing about our sport, is that it attracts a lot of loner types, with sad lives and little achievement or other substance in life to supply them with focus and purpose. Their "toys" become a means of obtaining a position of credibility and importance for them. You see them a lot, guys at the range with a ton of expensive guns, most of which they don't even shoot that day and none of which they shoot well. They glom onto some poor unsuspecting person who is actually there to shoot, sometimes with a friend or loved one. Then they hold the person hostage talking about their guns, and their philosophy, and their experience, and about gunlore that the person already knows, and most of which the person knows is garbage. It is hard to break away from them politely and the waste a lot of other people's time. These are the same fools who will dis someone elses equipment to make themselves look knowledgeable and sage. I hate them, one and all.

[Legionnaire]

Ridicule tells you more about the speaker than about what he or she is speaking about. Forget them. If the range is convenient, I'd give it another try. I'd bet not everyone there is a jerk.

And nothing wrong with your Ruger or Taurus. Both are great guns for the money. And as has already been stated, the best revenge is showing what you can do with them.

Shoot straight!

[Big Calhoun]

Did you at least shoot better than them? If so, no worries.

But I have never encountered that. Quite frankly, could care less. If someone doesn't like the gun I'm shooting, perhaps they'll fancy one of the other four. But in the end, it's for my personal enjoyment, not eye candy.

Vote with your wallet, don't take your business back there!

[p35]

I've never minded a "what IS that thing?" at the range- usually just honest curiosity and I don't mind letting someone else try a couple shots with whatever it is. I once went to a league night with a Ram-Line .22 pistol- weird looking thing, I still have it- and got a lot of that. No put-downs, though. Decent people at a decent club. Besides, I put a few in the x-ring that night.

[timn]

"I went to a local outdoor range that was having a bowling pin shoot. The range is at a gun shop I was at to buy some powder, bullets and primers. The owner invited me to shoot with them last sunday.
By the time I left I felt humiliated because of the rude remarks that were made about my Ruger Gp100 and my friends Taurus. We probably will never go back."

Figure up what you spend on your re-loading supplies, ammo, accessories, and range time per year. Send the owner of the range a polite letter informing him of your complaint and that he will be getting 0% of that money.
Rudeness from a business should be punished where it hurts them the most.

[Porky6331]

My wife & I purchased to S&W 619 357's. A couple of weeks ago we went to a range to get into a shooting match. We were told by a couple of people that most of the people use semi's. I watched the match and told two of the people you jamed tonight and my revlover has never jamed, and left the range.

[jad0110]

I've never had anyone make fun of my equipment at the two ranges I visit frequently. Then again, people are usually pretty laid back and polite around here. People usually don't even notice me, especially when I'm shooting my everygun XD. When I have my wheelies out though, the comments I get are always positive; it's kinda fun getting looks of envy from those shooting the ubiquitous bottom feeder. I always enjoy letting a shooter experience their first .357 Magnum.

I guess I have a hard time understanding why people can be so rude as to lash out at a stranger's equipment, other than maybe they are trying to build themselves up in the process. Losers. If I ever say something to another shooter, it is to compliment what they are shooting: a mint condition S&W 66 4", a very nice hand built 1911, or most recently, a sweet S&W M19-2 2.5", pinned and recessed.

I'm a gun guy, so there aren't too many guns I don't like (if any), which explains why I have Smiths with locks (I did purchase them under their current, American ownership, and I'd like to add some wart-free ones in the future though, so please forgive me :o).

[Geno]

"Did you at least shoot better than them? If so, no worries."

My friend, you are so right! One of my all-time favorite calibers to shoot is the lowly .22LR, especially in a Contender pistol. Who cares that it lacks "social testosterone". It's a gem of a caliber. Besides, the paper target isn't anymore dead by a .22LR than it is by a .50 BMG.

This is a great thread. Thanks for the laughs all. I've really enjoyed this.

Doc2005

[Socrates]

I do have a sort of quiet way of commenting on people's caliber selection. I HATE snub nose .357's at the range, even though I now own, and carry a 360 PD, S&W,.:rolleyes:

Compared to my 45's, Super in 1911, and, my Seville 454 level John Linebaugh, they just make a lot of noise, over a VERY small bullet. I can easily push a 325 grain bullet, or 360 grain, for that matter, faster then most .357 loads, and, all the snubbies. Plus, my guns flat out shoot. The fun comes in when I get sick of the muzzle blast, and, pull out the 325's, at 1550 or so. I also used to use 230 grain hardball, over a full case of H110. The blast and noise is just awesome, and, makes the .357 feel just like what it is: a lil bullet, at decent velocity.

I've since upped the ante, and, full house 475 Linebaugh loads, and, the real trump card, my 500 MAX with heavy loads usually clear the area around me.:evil:

S

[S&W620]

Who cares what some group of morons think.

I have a Smith and would LOVE to add a Ruger to my "collection". Ruger makes very fine revolvers and you should be PROUD to own one. I know I would be.

[22-rimfire]

Can't say that anyone ever made fun of my firearm choices at the range or otherwise. I don't really care if someone prefers a 9mm to a 40 to a 45. Just have fun and shoot! Most people love my choices!

[EddieCoyle]

The guys at my range do, but in a nice way. Let me explain. I belong to a club that is about 95% hunters. Very few "shooters". These guys hunt every game animal, in every season, in about 4 states. This time of year is the only time of year that the rifle/shotgun range at my club is busy (we have separate ranges for pistol and rifle/shotgun). For the most part, the guys own hunting guns only, and use only factory ammo.

Your friend EddieCoyle on the other hand is a handgunner. I love handguns and own dozens. I don't hunt, but I shoot at least 1000 rounds per week, outdoors, in New England, all year long. I reload too, for almost all the calibers I shoot. I think I'm the only guy at my club that's ever used, let alone owns, a chronograph.

I'm at the range so much more than everybody else, that when they needed a nominee for Range Chairman at a club meeting last year, the whole club looked at me. I accepted.

Aside from a Mossberg 500 with a bunch of barrels that I picked up for $100, I don't think I own even one gun suitable (or at least designed for) hunting. Since I'm at the range so often, whenever another member is around, they always stop by to see what I've brought with me. The question I get (almost always) is,
"What the hell do you hunt with that?"

Whether it's a Saiga with a laser sight, AK47, Mauser Broomhandle with a shoulder stock, CETME, or some handgun, they always ask that question and then walk away shaking their heads when I tell them,
"Nothing. I just like to shoot."

The locals will crack wise or make a joke at my expense, and I'll call them a bunch of Elmer Fudds. I always offer to let them shoot whatever I have because they're good guys. They usually take me up on the offer and have a good time.

The guys at my club are classic yankees that can't fathom why anyone would own an expensive gun that you're not going to use to put food on the table.

I use the term "yankee" in the good way - In other words, a dyed in the wool New Englander that keeps his mouth shut, is self sufficient, works hard, saves his money, and helps his neighbors.

We have a different name for the loud-mouthed, self-centered, lying, back-stabbing, metro-sexual miscreants that you Southerners mistakenly call Yankees - we call them "Yankee fans". :neener:

[Erik]

"Ever have someone make fun of your guns at the range?"

Yes, until I obliterated the X ring. Then there was silence.

[Dr.Who]

I would no go back either....

Now I do confess that I did make fun of a Shooter that came to the line with one of those see through plastic clear hoslters. It was not the gun, that was in it. In fact when I asked him to load and make ready, he reached for his Gun and it was not there. I asked him if it was invisable like his holster.....

He left it in his shooting bag.... He gets ribbed everytime I see him now...:D

Now I would have a tough time not ribbing a guy that show up to the line with a pink gun..... I do not care what brand it is.....:p

You know if these Guys want a Smith and Wesson shoot, then they should of been up front and called it a Smith and Wesson Bowling pin match.... :cuss:

Find another group, don't give them the satisfaction of why you did not come back....

[Colt46]

Ugly as all get out with a lyman side mounted scope. Always have a few guys walk by and stop to ask me what the hell I'm doing with such an ugly rifle.

[squekie]

sicario103 , 3 pages and 67 people tell you THEY are in the WRONG !!!
That should tell you something about this place. Vote with your Dollar DON'T GO Back. We are with you and I am probably right that there were LESS that 67 in that place anyway.

[revolverman357]

I have had a great time reading through this thread. As I am the original poster, I thought an update would be in order. Yesterday, my brother-in-law stopped by this same range/gunshop. He bought some bullets and brass, as I am teaching him to reload. As he was talking with the owner the subject turned to tumbling brass. My brother-in-law told him how I tumble (deprime, tumble, then load). The guy told him that I was a dumba** and that the ammo should be tumbled after it is loaded and to do otherwise is stupid.
I explained to my in-law that different people have different ways of doing things, buy my way is not to criticize others for their tumbling practices.
To each their own. This has sealed the deal, neither of us will go back and I will not recommend this guy to anyone.
Sorry moderator if this is a little off subject.

[mojo II]

when I am faced with obviously demeaning comments or questions such as have been discussed in this thread, I like to string the offender along a little.

Ask "what would suggest I use/shoot?"
"why is it better?"
"are they available locally?"

And then set the hook on your "sucker"
I tell him "go ahead & buy me one & I'll give it a try."
after the refusal to buy anything, explain he is the materialistic one that thought I should have better. If he would have just kept his big mouth shut in the first place, I would'nt feel bad & never would have known my choices were wrong.

Above all else do not use profanity. The English language is diverse enough that "you incompetent jerk" stings worse than "$#@&&%".

[Legionnaire]

Well, I withdraw my earlier encouragement to go back and try again. Any establishment owner who insults a would-be patron over a difference of opinion doesn't deserve your business. I've had a number of gun shop owners talk down something I wanted to buy, mostly because they had something else they wanted to sell. Usually, I ignore such comments and buy what I want anyway. But you're describing a real attitude problem. Sounds like the guy (and his establishment) isn't worth your while.

Thanks for the update. Always nice to "close the loop" on one of these threads.

[ZeSpectre]

Get razzed a lot at some of the Cowboy Action Shooting matches for having a brace of Taurus Gauchos. I just smile and shrug and don't play that game.

[Jody Johnson]

Had the experience...

Sometimes, I shoot Sporting Clays with friends. I usually use a 1946 Ithaca M37 pump, solid rib, with Cutts Compensator. A few times when the gun in on the rack, I've heard younger, more "sophisticated" shooters chuckle about "that antique" with "something" on the end. However, that "antique" always gives a quite credible accounting...

My friends kid...naturally...but they...as I...respect the old gal' for what she was, and is now....

The old Ithaca 37 is arguably one of the finest handling SG's ever...and, at least to me, the solid rib is pure class...but most "youngsters" have never seen one..much less a Cutts...

[progunner1957]

Revolverman, I'm sorry you ran into these punks.

Only a festering anal fissure makes fun of someone else's guns. I let other people shoot mine, seeing how they are brother shooters. Wer'e all in this sport together, and we should all act like it.

[squekie]

revolverman357 ,
I am sorry , I addressed this to"sicario103" as the original posted , he was the first poster on the second page of this thread. So people get my Blood Pressure Up :fire:

[Nitrogen]

Back when I was coming out of my "anti-gun" shell, I went to a range to try out some guns. I had shot previously with a friend of mine's 9mm GLOCK and enjoyed it, and wanted to try some other 9mm guns.
I was told specifically that "Only pussies and faggots shoot 9mm. It's got no stopping power. If you can't handle a .45 don't bother."

That was almost enough to get my skittish little butt back into the camps of the antis. Luckelly, I asked some other friends of mine about that, and was quickly counciled back to reality.

[Evil Monkey]

Only pussies and faggots shoot 9mm.

I bet that guy owns nothing but 9mm's.:what: :D :D :D

He probably yells at himself in the mirror, "You filthy bastard! You're somebody's daughter you filthy *****!":D :D :D

[19-3Ben]

A few months ago I was at the range with...you guessed it, my 19-3. When I showed up there were some young, thug type kids my around my age, possibly a little younger (I'm 22 yrs. old). When I first came in and started setting up, they were curious about what I had in the pistol box. When I opened it up, they were like "Aw man, that's old school." and walked away. After I punched out the cirle between the eyes of a "blue man target" with the first three cylinders at 25 feet they started watching me more intently. At 15 feet they were shooting groups wider than a shotgun pattern would have been at that range. They were still there when I was packing up to leave, and one of them came over to me, and started admiring the gun. I was out of ammo, but I told him if he got some, I'd let him shoot it. He and his buddies didn't want to pay for the extra ammo, but needless to say, I changed their perception of what that "Old School" gun could do. :rolleyes:

[Double Naught Spy]

Ever have someone make fun of your guns at the range?

Words don't bother my guns, good or bad.

[Marko Kloos]

If you make fun of another person's choice of sidearm, you're all out of excuses when they outshoot you with it.

[progunner1957]

I was told specifically that "Only pussies and faggots shoot 9mm. It's got no stopping power. If you can't handle a .45 don't bother."
I hope that moron says something like that in the presence of a gangbanger who carries a 9mm some day...:D Crikey, what a walking bag of sewage!

Hang in there, Nitrogen - I'm glad you didn't go back to "the dark (anti) side."
Probably 98% or more of the people here - and in the shooting sports as a whole - don't care what gun and caliber you shoot. The thing is, just shoot something!

As for the 9mm, I must confess I prefer the .45acp but I have shot and carried my share of 9mm guns and ammo. The 9mm is not something I would want to be shot with, regardless of ammo choice. There's a whole lot of dead people who have fallen to the 9mm over the decades that would testify to what the 9 is capapble of!

The world of the shooting sports is like any other segment of the population: Sooner or later you will run into the occasional rectal orifice. That means you have met a rectal orifice, nothing more nothing less. Idiots like the guy who made the "pussies and faggots" comment are not representative of the shooting sportsmen and women that the rest of us are.

[wanderinwalker]

I was told specifically that "Only pussies and faggots shoot 9mm. It's got no stopping power. If you can't handle a .45 don't bother."

I had a police chief at the range say that one day. (His department uses .40s... :rolleyes: ) He shut up and left my side of the range alone after I rapid fired a group from my G-17 into the head of a silhouette faster and more accurately than he was hitting COM. Sometimes you just have to show them how to shoot. :cool:

I use the term "yankee" in the good way - In other words, a dyed in the wool New Englander that keeps his mouth shut, is self sufficient, works hard, saves his money, and helps his neighbors.

We have a different name for the loud-mouthed, self-centered, lying, back-stabbing, metro-sexual miscreants that you Southerners mistakenly call Yankees - we call them "Yankee fans".

Ain't that the truth?

And around here we have that hunter-crowd too, who can't understand why anybody would want an AR-15, or a Glock 9mm, or a Marlin 1894 .44 Magnum, or (insert your favorite firearm here) unless it was to go hunting. They're usually nice enough guys, except the ones my age who pick on you if you're not shooting a .325 SuperWhomper Magnum rifle or .650 Megawhacker handgun.

And yes, I give fellow shooters friendly ribbing now and then, at least the ones I know. The unsure, insecure looking new shooters get friendly encouragement. Those who are unkind toward me get ignored and outshot. :p

[highlander 5]

I've had my share of snobs. I sometimes carry a Walther PP 32 auto and I always get a snicker or its useless for defense and my reply "Why don't you come by and let me put three into your chest and tell me how you feel afterwards"
I am a lover of single shot rifles be it Sharps,Ruger etc and get the "you only have one shot" remark then I take my SS in 45/70 and vaporize a small rock or bounce a 20 lb propane tank 5 or 6 feet straight up in the air then smile. Understand I'm not a hunter but I do like to shoot and have tried most rifles or handgun and found them interesting to one degree or another. if you ask my opinion on a particular weapon i'll give my thoughts but with my
predjideces and we all have them. What is important is how the particulr weapon fits you your needs etc. In all things in this world it's to each his own

[ranger53]

I usually have the same problems when I take my handi rifles to the range.:D But after we start shooting, I raise a few eyebrows when my 200 dollar rifles start getting better groups than their 7 or 8 hundred rifles.:what: :eek: :neener:
tommy

[Norm357]

Most of my shooting buddies are cops and hard core auto shooters. They like to poke fun at my wheelguns. They dont mean anything by it though.

[Smith & Wesson Man]

I have had someone put their nose in the air with my shotgun choice. About ten years ago (wow can't believe it has been that long) Browning, Marlin, and Mossberg were making 12ga bolt-action shotguns. At the time I couldn't afford the Browning, so for $220 new I picked up a Mossberg 695. Rifled barrel, ported, and it was tapped. I have taken four bucks and five does with it (all but one with one shot). I was talking to a guy about how no one is making the bolt-action shotguns anymore and I mentioned my good luck with my mossberg. I swear I could feel the rush of air with his nose going into the air. He pretty much said I have a browning A-bolt, which is the best. I mentioned to him that I have had two slugs touching on a 100 yard target. "my gun can do that all day, you must have been lucky." I thought whatever. That gun has paid for itself many times over! A friend of mine has a browning a-bolt, nice shotguns, but at the time I couldn't afford it. Never be ashmend of what you have. The world has to have jerks, and they think they know everything. If you hit the target everytime it doesn't matter:)

[flieger]

Years ago I worked with an idiot who simply lived to argue. He would try to get me to argue about anything. At the time I carried a 5" heavy barreled S&W model 41 around with me. Upon seeing it for the first time, he produced a Ruger Mark I, tapered barrel, fixed sights and proclaimed "This is a better gun!". I didn't take the bait.

I love shooting my Ruger Mk II, 5" bull, in case you think I'm Ruger-bashing here...

[Axman]

I'm waiting for someone to rib me about my Daisy Model 2202 .22LR! I'll just tell them to run down range so I can "put their eye out'! :D

[torpid]

I went to a local outdoor range that was having a bowling pin shoot... The owner invited me to shoot with them last sunday.
By the time I left I felt humiliated because of the rude remarks that were made about my Ruger Gp100 and my friends Taurus. We probably will never go back.

Visit the owner's gunshop to thank him for the invite.

With a bottle of Ipecac in your pocket.
After hitting an all you can eat buffet.


:evil:

[hurrakane212]

why would ANYONE make fun of a man with a gun?
Besides, I am going to get a GP100 over a S&W for a .357 mag.
I just like the feel and looks of the ruger better, different strokes for different folks. Not all of us like glocks, or 1911's, or sigs, or cz, or S&W, or HK, or whatever.~Nathan

[ChiefThunderstick]

I go to the range at the club I'm a member of. No one has made fun of the Yankee in Southland so far. It seems like the word has gotten around about me, as one of the ladies at the club has told my wife. I remember on one occassion, while at the pistol range, There was a guy there shooting a .40 S&W and he was slow firing his gun at about 15 feet. I was rapid firing my Taurus P145 Mil Pro at a target I printed from ammoman.com on 8.5 x 11 paper, at about 25 feet. He was putting his shots a bit scattered on the paper and I was concentrating them into about a 5 inch circle as fast as I could pull the trigger, nothing left the paper, on the occassional flier. He came over to look at what I was shooting and I showed him my gun. The next time I saw him at the range, I went over to him to say hello, he said hi and told me he told his wife about my shooting and that he was going to buy a .45 cal. I guess I impressed him.:D

[gandog56]

Laugh? Not if they look at my targets first!:D

[foghornl]

Not mine, but guy in the next lane was shooting a Hi-Point .45ACP. Guys nearby were giving him a hard time about a "Pig-Butt Ugly Gun". Did notice that his groups were significantly tighter than theirs.

He liked my Springfield Champion 1911, but said that it was a bit too pricey for him. {retired guy, small fixed income}

[Jkwas]

Only once. :scrutiny:

[kmrcstintn]

2 incidents that I remember...

1) local gun club 'trap' shoot...usual high-priced competition guns and 'dedicated' trap shooters (trap shoots open to public)...snobs; the club president (a bit backwoodsish, down-to-earth, makes due with what he has kinda guy);

the club pres is out there with a beat-up, short-barreled, Mossberg pump turkey gun and used rope for a sling and I overheard some snobs bustin his chops while waiting their turns...

he shoots 49 out of 50 for 2 rounds while they do worse and I silently chuckled when he showed them up (even with their more expensive guns, 'proper' trap shooting stance, and snobbish attitudes)

2) I'm at a public range on game lands with a 'lowly' revolver (either a Ruger or Smitty)...you know only 6 shots; an older gentleman arrives later with another Smitty k-frame in .38 spl; a group of 'kids' with girlfriends in tow with Glocks and an ?H&K?...you know lots of shots...

the kids made some comments about old timers and asked me why a revolver...I simply stated that I was more consistent and more accurate with a revolver than a semiauto...the other guy didn't reallly say much since he had a child and it was a training session for the lad;

we kept an eye on each other's targets throughout the shoot...they had bigger groups and more off shots and the revo guys had tighter and more consistent groups...silently chuckling

***I am not a 'great' shooter and attest some of the better consistency to the adjustable sights and a lot more trigger time on revos than semiautos; I also have bigger groups and more offshots with semiautos, but I recognize my limits and keep snard comments to myself***

[Poohgyrr]

OK, here is a Ruger that's older than yours. Bought this Speed Six when it was new and on sale for $220 OTD if I remember right.

If they want to make fun of me that's OK. It shoots pretty well. :evil:

A great little.357.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/223/speedsix1xg.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speedsix1xg.jpg)

[Broom Rider]

I sometimes sort of get made fun of by the guys at the range...........they don't take a female shooter seriously.
I hear comments about the handgun or rifle not being the right gun for a woman...........and maybe what I really need is a single shot rifle or 22 pistol to learn on.
Of course then I usually shoot as good or better than those idiots.

[Arcticfox]

In a perfect world, you would outshoot them with your Ruger and then, beat the two guns together until parts fell off the Smith and then outshoot whoever is left with your Ruger.


ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ditchtiger]

Was out shooting a few months ago and talking to a fellow shooter. After showing off each others guns he started talking up his Kimber he was shooting. I told him Kimbers slides get sloppy-loose and then they start to jam a lot, and that they are not a good company. The distress on his face was more than I could bare and I lifted my jacket and showed him my own Kimber. The biggest smile came across his face when he found I was just jerking him around a little.

[Banshee]

you get that all of the time when you mess with Short Barreled shotguns and Machineguns. Kinda like the comment "what good is it? you can't hunt with it."

[Moonclip]

I've shot some real POS guns others have asked me to try just to be polite but I never look down on someone about guns. I have politely suggested sometimes that in the case of defensive guns to get something better, example being someone with a RG that self destructed!

Also I have been embarassed for myself! I have some pretty nice guns in a pretty extensive collection but I do admit to owning 2 Ravens:eek: as well as some not so fancy milsurp stuff and stuff like Bersa and FEG.

The one I'm really embarassed of currently is a Chinese O/U shotgun that I haven't had the courage to show anyone yet!:) Always wanted an o/u and the price was right!

Acually there is a cetain satisfaction to having a "second tier" gun that works well and outshooting someone with a better gun. I actually find Makarovs to be the accuracy equals of Sig Sauer P230's and my dad said he was quite proud of me at the range once seeing me shoot better groups with a beat up Taurus 38spl Model 82 than the shooter next to me with a new Glock!

[CornCod]

I have been shooting for something like 24 years and I never disparage anyone's firearms. I have opinions about whether this or that type of gun is best for a certain role, but I try to keep an open mind. People who disparage other people's guns are often showing their own insecurities and quirks. I limit my remarks to polite statements like, "Well, the RG .22 revolver has never exactly been my cup of tea," rather than "Golly, that RG .22 revolver you have there is a piece of doo-doo."

I am always very polite at the range, its never smart to be nasty to people who are armed and who don't know you! People with a few grey cells realize that "an armed society is a polite society."

[bulbboy]

They make fun of mine - but then I deserve it....
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/kevinmichaeldick/orangeGlock23.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/kevinmichaeldick/osuaugust.jpg

[SixForSure]

You might want to go so far as print out this thread, or at least part of it and sneak it onto the bulletin board at that club.:evil:

[mjb]

No one dares to make fun of my Guns! :neener:
Colts, Sig, Kahr, Smith and Wessons, Browning, Mausers, Winchesters, Ithaca :D

[revolverman357]

Bulbboy,
I can see why someone would make fun of that gun. :eek:
But, it does have a certain attraction. Cool. :cool:

[GRIZ22]

The guys at that range sound like they would be critical if you drank the wrong scotch or bourbon. You have nothing to be embarassed about they do.

[armoredman]

I shoot some budget guns at the range. Today, the most expensive long gun we had was the wife's 10/22, with the Daisy red dot on it. No ribbing for a $14 red dot, but the range guys thought it was kinda clever. It also works quite well.
No ribbing about my $80 86 year old Mosin rifle with handloads, either. Granted,, my groups today weren't anything I would jump up and down about, but the largest was 3 inches, and the smallest about 1. Fluke, I am sure.
No one made wisecracks about our CZs, or the fact I was wearing my CZ-USA t-shirt, (still t-shirt weather down here.), even when my wife had the range officer give her some tips. She shot better, my son had a blast watching, and I found out where I need to improve on the handloads.
No griping ever on that range.
The closest I came to that was years ago, when a guy came to me, (when I worked at an indoor range.), and asked me if I could fix the pot metal frame of his Tec-9, which had snapped in two. I ALMOST told him to superglue it.I smiled, and told him it was trash, and unless he wanted to order a new frame, it was a high cost fishing weight.

[dillonuser]

Sure have:
Some "kewl dudes" were giving me crap about my "cowboy" gun and telling me to shoot something "modern" like their autos. When I explained it was modern they laughed until I fired it down range (if you don't know,the noise from a Freedom Arms .454 is pretty bad). After that they all wanted to fire it. I refused because of their rudeness and none had a deposit to replace the gun if they couldn't hold on to it from recoil.

I got crap about shooting a Mini 14 (series 183) and not the "AR15" like the person with the mouth. The problem with this was the person with the big mouth couldn't shoot their AR15 as good as I was shooting my Mini 14.

[kmrcstintn]

"Acually there is a cetain satisfaction to having a "second tier" gun that works well and outshooting someone with a better gun. I actually find Makarovs to be the accuracy equals of Sig Sauer P230's and my dad said he was quite proud of me at the range once seeing me shoot better groups with a beat up Taurus 38spl Model 82 than the shooter next to me with a new Glock!"

Very similar to the experience stated above...I know what you mean and how you feel;

even after a short session yesterday:

19 rounds of Hornady .38 spl 125 grain XTPs & 14 rounds of Speer .357 mag 158 grain Gold Dots with the revolver;

50 rounds of Magtech 9mm 115 grain fmj, 100 rounds of Winchester 9mm 147 grain jhp (WWB personal defense), 50 rounds of Federal 9mm+p 124 grain HSTs & 20 rounds of Federal 9mm 147 grain jhp (hi-shok);

I felt better and hit more consistently with the revolver than the semiautomatic; after nearly 1200 rounds through the Beretta 9000s I bought, I see it more and more as a 'fun' gun and less like a viable defensive piece :(

[Remmi]

I'd like to point out a blunt little iotia of info here.

Anyone making fun of someone carrying a bloody loaded Tarus Big-Bore doesn't have much in line for brains as it is; Personal Taste aside.

[SouthpawShootr]

Anyone making fun of someone carrying a bloody loaded Tarus Big-Bore doesn't have much in line for brains as it is; Personal Taste aside.

Yep, just imagine somebody ridiculing somebody else who was shooting a .454 Raging Bull. :D New candidates for the Darwin award anybody?

[Remmi]

Yep, just imagine somebody ridiculing somebody else who was shooting a .454 Raging Bull. New candidates for the Darwin award anybody?

Forget the Darwin award; try 'Mortican's Best Friend.'

Afterall, it would be a closed-casket funeral. Need's a pretty coffin to distract from the mess.

[ChiefThunderstick]

I would say that 99.9% of the folks here are mature enough to let snide remarks about their personal choice in firearms, roll right of their backs. We can teach them a valued lesson, just by outshooting them, on the little paper targets downrange. For those here, that keep saying that we should be civil, to people that are armed, whom we are not acquainted with, I say just be polite, because it is the right thing to do. :)

There is nothing wrong with a good ribbing, every now and then, but it should be done with tact and taste, and the person being ribbed should know that they are being put on.:D

[rtl]

bulbboy

As an alumni of the other orange and black OSU, Oregon State, I love that.

[No_Brakes23]

A couple of the B-resters at SGVGC (RIP) have made disparaging remarks when my dad took his Saiga to the doghouse, but they shut up when they saw our groups. (We're no Hathcocks, it's just a decent rifle.)

I can understand the sideways glances, (Wut's that guy doin in our doghouse, izze a member?) when they see the banana magazine, since combloc weapons usually stayed on the "public" side of the range, but if you paid for membership, why stop using the half-empty doghouse, just to switch rifles?

[armedpolak]

Don't feel humiliated! Why should you!?!

What a bunch of loosers! Making fun of someone because of the gun he/she shoots. It's like I would invite someone to my home and then make fun of then because they're not wearing Armani (not that I can afford it anyways). I hate snobs like this, they think they're better because they can afford something, or because of prejudice against some brand. :banghead:

That right there tells you who you're dealing with!

Drop the loosers!

Plus, its the men who makes the gun shoot well, no the other way around.

[Caimlas]

I went to a group shoot once, and there were a couple people giving me a ragging over the use of my Taurus PT111 Pro (9mm); they all had "nice" guns, like Glocks, XDs, and 1911s. Not that I don't envy them. :P We were mainly shooting bowling pins as well.

Well, the ribbing stopped until I started shooting. I'm gifted to have had good training and a natural proclivity for the sport, and I wasn't doing too poorly - despite the huge sights, long and heavy DAO trigger, and the short barrel radius on the pt111. Actually got a compliment out of it. Granted, this was on fairly distant shooting (20+ yards), and not quick response shooting - which I don't doubt I'd have done significantly worse at.

But a Ruger? Those are ugly guns! :P

[packnpundit]

I love good, cheap guns - why pay more? Guns that cost twice as much as mine, certainly don't perform twice as well.

Yeah, I'd think twice about making comments about peoples hardware at the range. Not too smart.

[GRIZ22]

I did have a new guy with a Glock laugh at the 2 1/2 Model 19 I showed up to qualify with about 15 years ago. It was a nickel plated gun with the nickel peeling in places (agency gun not mine). He referred to it as a POS. The new guy did okay but my 50 round group was 4" across at the widest (no X ring on our targets) and the required headshots centered in a 1/2" group (from 7 yds). He came over to look at my target, I pointed to it and said "that's why I carry this POS". He never was critical of my choice of handguns again.

[RyanM]

Boy, this is an old thread, back from the dead. I'm a poet and I didn't even know it.

I've had people compliment the finish on my soon-to-be-sold Ruger SP-101 with the limited edition Target Gray finish. And I've had some people curious about the straight-pull bolt-action on my K-31. That's about it.

My other guns, Glock 23, Ruger Mk.II, Kahr MK40, are pretty "normal."

[M1 Shooter]

I've had it happen more times than I can count.
A few of the more memorable:

1. Was at a range shooting my Glock 19. Some other shooter decides to approach me to tell me how much he dislikes Glocks and says they are inaccurate garbage. I tell him to look at my target and say that. He looks at my target at the 7 yard line and sees a ragged one hole group about an inch across, the result of my first 2 15 round mags I just fired. He looked at me in disgust and walked away.

2. Another time at a different range, one I had never been to before, a couple of the RO's who work at the range were making fun of my Colt Commander. They were saying how outdated and unreliable the 1911 is and that I should get a "modern" gun like a Glock or SIG. I told them I don't like SIGs, I like Glocks just fine, but I love the 1911, which is my first love in handguns. I tell them that my Commander has never malfunctioned. I then prove it to them by firing 500 jam free rounds of various .45 loads through it. They are convinced I'm lieing to them when I say it is totally box stock. I've never done anything to it. I did initially buy it to customize, but after shooting it I figured if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

3. This wasn't really someone making fun of the gun I was shooting, but... anyway, I was shooting an AR15 and a guy who was shooting several lanes down from me approaches. He then lays into me about how those "assault rifles" all need to be banned, and I shouldn't have it because, as he put it, and I love this contradiction, "They are only good for killing and you can't hunt with them". I told him that the antis won't stop at those, they want them all, to which he replies, "NONSENSE!!" I then informed him that the scoped .300 Win Mag he was shooting is a "long range sniper rifle" to the antis, and they will come for those too eventually. He just shook his head at me and walked away. Nobody else contradicted him even though there were about 10 other shooters there who heard our conversation. I was the only one there with an "evil black rifle". I never went back there again.

[GlenJ]

Just remind them of the agreement made between S&W and Bill Clinton. They're on the list on VCDL's web site as gun un-friendly and should be boycotted.

[wheelgunslinger]

Try being a long haired, tattooed guy with a Dan Wesson wheelgun at an idpa shoot in the midst of the ambervision sunglasses/ buzzcut/LEO crowd.
Talk about being a loner.

The gun crowd is full of fanboys who love their brands and love to be validated by others. The problem is that anyone who doesn't fit their mold seems to justify them being a bit too emphatic with their words sometimes.
It's all part of the experience for taking the road less traveled.

just roll with it. You go to the range to shoot, not to sing kumbaya. If you need more friends, leave your gun in a case and chat people up.

[Quoheleth]

Keep going...keep practicing...keep improving...and show them what that Ruger can do.

If I stopped doing things everytime people laughed at me, I would have to stay in my closet and take the mirror off the door. They laugh at how I walk, how I talk, how I dress, how I... the point is ignore it. DO your job (or in this case, your hobby) to the best of your ability. Smile and walk away.

Take the high road.

Q

[dogngun]

Once.
He's buried out behind the 50 meter berm.

Mark

[medmo]

It sounds like they are a "Club of Clones". If you don't wear what they wear, drive the same brand of vehicle that they do or shoot the same gun then you are a moron. You can either conform with them or think for yourself. It sounds like you prefer to think for your self. This situation reminds me of this commercial:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2028071540

[tkendrick]

I once showed up at unfamiliar range with a nasty looking old Krag that I had stol....uh, ....bought from a guy for ten bucks. It had been chopped, dropped and generally abused, and then it been spray painted black. I was going to try and restore it, but wanted to see what it would do first. The guy I bought from told me it had been his uncles "moose" gun, and he never missed.

About the time I'm setting up, a yuppy type pulls up in a new 'vette, pulls out a really good looking BDL is some gee-whiz belted magnum and proceeds to tell me what a shame it was that I would try to hunt with an old POS wall-hanger...etc.

Now, I've never been able to it since then, and there had to have been one of the ghosts of Teddy's Rough Riders setting with me that afternoon, but that old POS wall-hanger printed a five shot 1 and 1/4 inch group that day. It would have been minute of angle, but I pulled the first shot just a tad.

Meanwhile, this guys Remington is splattering rounds all over the range, and some aren't even on the paper.

First he got quiet, then he spent ten minutes trying to buy it from me, until I finally told him that a rifle like that deserved a rifleman...and he wasn't it.

I think the burn marks from his tires are probably still on the lot.

[JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone]

My Rugers, Colts, Kimber and DW shoot just fine against the S&W's. I've run into those types before. Those that think they've got the best thing since sliced bread. Some have been Glock owners, or some other type of polymer pistol frame. Or staunch J-frame owners that give Ruger owners crap. I've had opportunity to shoot and show my targets to several. Good enough to shut many of them up on the spot. I certainly won't run my hot Black/Redhawk loads through a 629.

Don't let those that think they're holy'er than thou get to you. Go back to that range. Outshoot them with the Ruger and Taurus. Eventually they'll shut up.

-Steve


To add to this... At our club there's a guy that shoots a Taurus Raging Bull against tricked out Kimber and Colt 1911's, -He wins a good many Pin match with that revolver. Several of us shoot Ruger MKII's and MKIII's against Smith 41's, Buckmarks and Hammerli's in our winter rimfire Bullseye leage. Expert class shooters with good ole Rugers!!! The 1911 Bullseye guns run from Smith's, Kimbers, and Colts, with one particular built Sistema that shoots 1" groups at 50yds. Nobody says a darn thing about that gun! Those that would, well, they would be the ones not welcome at the next shoot unless they learned to keep thier mouth shut. There's no room for that sort of treatment, as a club member, paying customer or guest. I own more Colts than anything. But I love my Rugers. We're all gun enthusiests and whether you can afford the best, a particular niche, or just a run of the mill 6 shooter, we're still better than those that don't understand the 2nd Ammendment.

I won't deny this sort of treatment does happen. There's a retired Lt Col. at our club that runs the High Power matches. He scoffed at my sporterized 03A3 with scope. Even if I removed the scope and put the ole peeps back on, he wouldn't let me shoot against the Garands. -Because I probably would have out-shot them! So I don't shoot that match. No biggy.

[ATW525]

Ever have someone make fun of your guns at the range?

Of course not! I usually shoot Smith & Wessons :D

My shooting ability, on the other hand, is a different story. :uhoh:

[Picknlittle]

Not only would I not go back to the range, I wouldn't return to do business with the gun shop owner either. It's one thing to just happen upon a place and find rude gun snobs, it's quite another to be invited, then not treated as a guest.

[Picknlittle]

This kind of crap occurs in music circles too. I used to go to bluegrass festivals with my Alvarez guitar only to have guitar snobs actually close a jam circle to me when they saw my headstock.

Not everyone can afford a high end instrument, or weapon for that matter. As for me, the Alvarez was good enough to stay in my hands during seven years of martin shopping. I finally bought a martin, was very unhappy with it and hen commissioned a friend to build a martin slayer dred for me. He did, it does, life is good!:)

[The Annoyed Man]

One of my favorite sayings is, "Life's too short to dance with ugly women." My advice would be to never go back to that range, and let those folks stew in their own funk. Their just rude. The longer they act like that, the lonelier they are going to be.

I've never made fun of somebody's gun, or had someone make fun of one of mine. All guns are interesting, for either their place in history, or their design, or whatever. I've exchanged good natured teasing with people I know well, usually about shooting skills or a eyesight, but would never do that with a stranger unless the conversation just naturally drifted that way and both of us were enjoying it. In such a situation, I'm as inclined to laugh at myself and my own foibles as much as anything else.

Here's the thing... Guns are just SO damned interesting that I usually wind up talking to the guys on either side of me, trying each other's guns, laughing and swapping lies. I find that a person's choice of weapons says a lot about the person, and since I think most people are fascinating, that is just one more thing that makes it interesting. Also, my 17 year old son is my most frequent range companion. We often get drawn into conversations with other father/son shooters, and the camaraderie is excellent and well enjoyed. I've found that men who go shooting with their sons are the kind of men that I want my son exposed to as examples of what it means to be a real man.

Behavior like you describe experiencing at that range is the exact opposite of manliness. In fact, it is almost girlish. Don't let it bother you, and just move along down the road. There are other places where your presence will be better appreciated, and piss on the others and leave 'em for dead.

[Ops Officer]

Yeah, I had some fun a couple of weeks ago. A bud who made fun of my wheelies at work joined me at a local outdoor range. I brought my S&W 625 PC JM with me, which has a butter smooth trigger. He brought his Wilson CQB. What naturally occurred was a shoot-off. He was shocked I kept up with him. We had touching holes on our targets at various distances and it was about even. Then, he tried my 625 because he couldn't believe what happened. He shot it and then kept asking for more moon clips. I shot his Wilson and enjoyed this finely made 1911. It is scary accurate. But at the end of the day my bud badgered me to sell him my 625. I told him I wouldn't want him to "regress" in his shooting by catching the wheelie fever. He is hooked. No, he won't abandon semi-autos, but he wants a similar .45 ACP wheelie badly.

[deputy tom]

I have never experienced such behavior at my club.Everyone seems to act as gentlemen.We have a very diverse bunch divided only in their personal affection for Smith's,Ruger's,Taurus',Springfield's,yadda,yadda,yadda...If the gun isn't a danger to the shooter or others, nobody gives a damn.Shooters are an endangered species.Like it was said,we should hang together or surely we shall hang alone.YMMV.tom.

[win71]

I was shooting a full length stock Mannlicher Schoenauer with double set trigger. He had a Savage and commented about why I had two triggers and all that wood. And how "those foreign guns weren’t much good." I heard latter that somebody else that was familiar with those rifles explained it to him. I didn't figure it was worth it for me to take the time to do it myself.

[wheelgunslinger]

I'm satisfied that one could be hanging out with scientists at a particle acceleration convention and there would be someone who would be an idiot with diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain. "I don't trust siberian uranium. It's communist and nukyuler."

"That guy" is always going to be around. Better to learn how to handle him or her with grace than to let it get you down.

[blenderhead]

Back in the late 80's I had a MAC-10 in .45. The thing was (is) damn ugly and shot even worse than I did (and still do!). A friend and I brought the thing to a local upscale indoor range. The looks we got could kill. You really have to shoot the thing from the hip...I couldn't hit anything that resembled a target anyway I held it. We were asked to leave.

[Ghost Tracker]

I once had two Anschutz smallbore shooters crack wise (to each other, but loud enough for me to hear) about my Ruger 10/22. Then they commented on my brick of Wolfe Match Extra ammo (I suppose because it wasn't Eley 10X). When I started shooting they became strangely quiet. What they didn't know was that my rifle, while looking for all-the-world like a 10/22, was actually a Volquartsen Superlite. And I'll stack it up against a Anschutz Super Match 52 any day of the week! Gun Snobs indeed.

[.41 magnum man]

May have already been said, but it doesn't seem too smart to me to be making fun of a man's gun when he is holding it in his hand! I tell you what, anyone who can take a little bitty round peice of lead and put it where they want it has my respect, I don't care what they are shooting it from--even if it is a slingshot.

[casual]

gentlemen,

the behavior which inspired the original post is outrageous

it is hard to believe how rude people can be to someone trying to mind his own business and have a little fun

i have not personally witnessed such behavior at a shooting range, but i do not get out as much as i would like

the folks at the range i occassionally use, Maxons in Des Plains Illinois, are reliably polite, helpful and friendly - always ready with advice, willing to lend guns, etc.

the only place i have experienced behavior similar to that noted above has been on the golf course, and i have experienced it enough to turn me off of golfing

id rather be shooting anyway

casual

[kungfuhippie]

I really hate elitism. We need people to join our sport for it to survive. If all you can afford is a beat mosin and surplus. Who cares! Have fun. This part of the mountain biking sport really made me mad too. If a guy is having fun on his Wal-mart bike. Leave him alone about it. I was once a kid on a cheap bike that out rode men with $3000+ bikes.

All of my guns are fairly cheap. Due to my financial status, and the fact that mil-surp guns are my favorite type. I like a gun that has a story behind it. I don't care that many of my old rifles couldn't shoot MOA to save my life. I like the history connected to them, and the fact that a few of them may have been used to kill Nazis makes me even happier.

[357-8-times]

Making fun of someones firearm is just about the dumbest thing possible. You never know what kinda wacko is out there and will take it personal. Why would anyone even remotely antagonize an armed man?!:eek: You never know who is really at the virge of going postal...

Kung fu, I have fond memories of shooting a WW2 M1 a few years ago that has formerly expedited the trip to hell for some Nazis.

[MDig]

I actually had a guy working at a Gun Shop sneer at a Belgian BHP. "I only shoot real guns" he said and then showed me a custom kimber on his hip. I laughed and asked which he had more of Money or Brains. When the Owner of the shop laughed with me the guy went into the back room and let the owner deal with me after that.
Nobody likes an elitist blow hard and I quit wanting to be part of the cool club a long time ago.

[RPCVYemen]

Odd thread. I have never had anyone show anything but interest in my Blackhawk. The guys at work kid mw about living in the 19th century, but it's all in good fun. I have never run into that kind of reaction at any range. You stumbled into an usual group of people.

Mike

[kungfuhippie]

I'm going to a new range tomorrow it will be nice to people watch in light of this thread. Sick of shooting at the old "trash heap" near Palm Springs. I'll be bringing a Chilean Mauser for it's virgin run, and another Mauser of some sort. If your at Inland Fish and Game and you see a fat guy that can't shoot well it just might be me.

[Richard.Howe]

I had a guy poke fun at my 4" 44mag Redhawk one time, when he was shooting his 629. I handed him 6 of my Garrett loads and asked him to let me know how he liked them (though I knew they would be too long for the 629's cylinder). He looked sheepish and then refused.

"Not because my gun isn't strong enough, but, uh, because I don't like to shoot lead."

"Aren't those lead rounds you're shooting already?"

"Yeah, but it's a special kind of lead that works real good in Smiths."

"Ah. Best of luck."

Rich

[Grizzley Adams]

nope because i am the only one where i shoot,lol.this is the very reason why i don't like gun ranges to well i would much rather shoot on my own property or wait till i head back up to the mountains.not saying all gun ranges are bad or that all folks who use them are snobs,but myself i have found that they are as bad as the car guys in the fact that they pick other folks things alive.main thing is if it works for you and if your gun works for you then who give a crap what they have to say.if it happens again tell em this say if you don't like my gun i will gladly replace it with something you think is suitable for me when you buy it.so lets go and you can pick me out a new gun and give it to me most of the time that shuts em up.

[gandog56]

https://home.comcast.net/~gandog56/Trailside_Browning.jpg

Only this one for some reason.

[squinty]

I can't stand snobs! What's so wrong with a gp100 anyway? I have a couple Smiths and I like them (J-frame .357 649 and a 4" .44 mag 629) but the GP100 I picked up at a gun show last year shoots just as well, surprisingly it seems to have a smoother DA trigger than my Smiths, it breaks down for cleaning more easily and it's more solidly built. Also, I've had rust issues with the .44 right under the cylinder release button, but the stainless Ruger hasn't had a spot of rust anywhere. The Smiths maybe balance and point a little better, and the Ruger's cylinder starts to hang up if I shoot a LOT and get it really dirty. I'd say the Ruger is every bit the equal of the Smiths, but cheaper.

[Noxx]

I actually had a guy working at a Gun Shop sneer at a Belgian BHP. "I only shoot real guns" he said and then showed me a custom kimber on his hip

You owe me a coffee, just spilled mine.

[Avenger]

I just ignore them. If that doesn't work, continuing to fire as they try to talk to you generally gets the message across. <---Timing is key, wait between rounds for them to start talking again, then immediately drown them out.

I've been tempted to ask a few of them, "So, ever wonder why nobody ever STARTS a conversation with you?"

[Redneck with a 40]

If anyone want's to talk smack about my Taurus Tracker 357, Taurus Mil-Pro 40, or my XD-40, I'll gladly put them up against whatever the other dude has. As long as its not some $1000 custom gun, I'm in. I'll put my Tracker up against a S&W any day of the week, its a real tack driver.

I also agree that this is rude, uncalled for, and just plain immature and silly. I wouldn't go back to that range and those guys are not doing the gun owner community by being snobs. I personally would never put down anything that anyone else has, to each his own, their are dozens of good, quality, firearms out there.:D

[Texas Moon]

Yes I have had this happen to me.
I love old military rifles. Martini-Henry, Krag, Lebel, etc.
Once in a while they get drug out and taken to the range.
I can't tell you the number of times some yuppie with his fancy Weatherby or Sako just has to pop off about my "Old Junker".
Here is how I handle it: Dare them to shoot against you and your rifle.
The catch: OFFHAND at 100yds.
None of that mamby-pamby off the sandbagged bench stuff. Stand up and shoot that rifle like a man. They get real quiet.
and I have YET to have one outshoot my "old Junker"! :D
It drives them nutty to think an iron sighted 110yr old rifle beat them.
Same thing on the skeet range.
I have ONE old Remington 870. Shoot it pretty good.
The $10,000 ParkerPerazziSuperposed bunch sniff at the old remington but when trigger time happens and you smoke their arse they STF up real quick.

Shooting is like a bunch of other hobbies. People who aren't willing to put in the practice think State of the Art technology will make them "better".
Rarely is this the case.

[lax]

Those types at the range make it easy to figure out who are the a-holes.

Bought my son a GP-100. Great piece. Unfortunately I've heard some disturbing things about Ruger's business politics. I wonder if this is what makes people anti-Ruger.

[meef]

In the early '80s when I was shooting IPSC, the 1911 worshipers often had a great time making fun of my Browning BDA .45 (precursor to the SIG P220), telling me if I wanted to be competitive I should consider getting a "real gun".

And during matches, while they were frequently frantically going through malfunction-clearing exercises on their "real guns" - my BDA just kept on running and running and running . The Energizer Bunny of handguns with never a stutter or a hiccup. And accurate as all heck to boot.

I've still got that gun and a couple of boxes of trophies it garnered too.

:D

[Sean85746]

Well...I am a die hard, no doubt Smith & Wesson man. BUT...The Rugers are bull-strong, go BANG every time you pull the trigger, and I seriously doubt you could dent it with a sledge hammer.

So, I don't see what could be funny about the guns. The problem must be with the snobby jackasses who were talking smack.

Come on down to AZ and shoot with us sometime.

[shooter429]

Revolverman357, your GP100 is a good, solid gun that will run long after the S@W has gone out of tune. Don't let the snobs bother you. I own S&Ws and like them, but I also work on them a lot. Some people think revolvers don't ever fail, but several of my S&Ws have. In fact, my 329 locked up solid in recoil, several times until I "fixed" the lock. My beloved 16 bound on me and would not fire. Pulled the side plate off, cleaned and lubed it, put it back together and it worked fine. It was just dirty!

My Rugers NEVER fail. I am wearing a Redhawk right now that has NEVER missed a beat. It is not expensive, but it will digest a steady diet of Buffalo Bore 340 Gr. +p+ loads and come back for more. Don't dare try that with a 329 or 629.

Bottom line: They might not be the prettiest or most expensive guns in the world, but IMHO, they are the most reliable.

Shooter429

[crebralfix]

I don't invest ego in tools.

[ryan b]

i have had it happen twice to me I was invited to shoot on a sporting clays team i showed up to the range with my old 870 that looks like it should have been retired for years and my old A-5 browning that looks worse than the 870 they were all shooting 1500 shotguns andlaughing at me for my old guns that day i shoot the first round with the 870 and shot 25 for 25 and 24 for 25 with the A-5 they all wanted me to be on their team. i tols them to kiss it that i had better things to do then be laughed at by people that had more money than i did. I told them that I could not afford a shotgun like theirs and i didnt think that you should laugh at another persons gun and i left. but i did go and shoot against all of then at the last tournament and beat all of them that laughed they did apoligized and the next year my team won it all

[christcorp]

This isn't difficult. When they tease you, tell them how effective the gun is. When they say they don't believe you, shoot them in the foot with it and ask them if they believe you now. God, it's not that hard. :D :evil: LOL!!! Later... Mike....

P.s. In case there are some "Brady Bill" supporters here. I don't condone shooting anyone in the foot. If you have to shoot someone, it needs to be in the chest or head. ;) later... Mike....

[Lashlarue]

None that are still alive.:)Actually had several that were quite enamored of my Hi-point 995, especially after they saw my target. Sub 2" groups at 50 yds will do that.Most couldn't believe a $200 carbine could shoot that well.

[wcwhitey]

Never had a problem at the range, for the most part the guys enjoy seeing different weapons show up and run through their passes. It's the gun stores that hide all the blowhards. Long on stories and superstitions and short on manners. Something about working behind a gun shop counter that encourages superiority complexes. Bill

[DrLaw]

Two times.

Once when I shot .22 shorts for a "Rotten Egg" Shoot. Everybody else was 'CRACK!, CRACK!, CRACK!...' and then I shot. 'pop'. Everybody had a laugh over that.

The other was not because of my gun, but the number of guns I brought. A bunch of us from the State's Attorney's Office got invited to the district's state police range. I knew the attorneys did not have pistols, so I brought some for them. I didn't know the State Cops would be providing guns. Anyway, they could not believe that I brought a bunch of guns with me and had a laugh over that, too.

They didn't laugh when they saw my target. Practice does help. :rolleyes:

The Doc is out now. :cool:

[TimboKhan]

Rockstar.esq and I routinely make fun of each others guns at the range, but then we are buddies so it is kind of harmless.

I shot trap at a field trial for my old boss one time, and all these guys that I didn't even know with their fancy O/U's made fun of me pretty openly about my 870. It was done in good fun, more or less, but it still got under my skin. In the end, I let my skills do my talking for me. I hit everything that was thrown, to include a pair of doubles that was thrown behind me on "accident", and walked out the champ. Punks.

[ArmedBear]

Yeah. An old H&R .22 convertible revolver with a long barrel and a dovetailed rear sight.

They can laugh all they want, because last time I shot it, I put all 6 through a jagged hole at 10 yards with it, offhand. I don't know why the thing shoots so well; it does look a tad goofy.

[TehK1w1]

Yes, the first time I took my new-to-me Marlin levergun to the range I had a guy laugh at me and call it an obsolete POS :fire:. I cloverleafed 3 shots at 50 yards and he stopped laughing(I haven't shot that well with it since) He also jumped about a foot in the air the first time I fired (He was 2 benches down shooting an expensive-looking bolt-action in .243, did I mention mine was chambered in 444 Marlin? :D)

[KiltedClaymore]

nope. I have seen "the look", but no one ever says it to my face. joking with a friend is fine, but other than that, its uncalled for and possibly dangerous. I do have a friend who had this happen. She is short. 4 foot 11 to be exact. doesnt weigh more than a feather. she was at the range shooting her M-38 and some guy next to her makes the assumption that she will get hurt, so he goes into this long speech about how its too heavy a caliber for her and such. she just looks at him waits till he runs outta air, and lets loose with three great shots from that howitzer no problem.

[MADDOG]

Sometimes other people are amazed that my old guns still shoot. I like it that way. I think I'd go back one more time just to have a good laugh.

[jungleroy]

I do not poke fun at armed people, and can only remember once being made fun of for my little Beretta 21a, it would not knock down the steel 6inch flipper targets at the local range. The comment heard was, "You should name that pistol , Pissant".
Please excuse my p's and q's.

[crankshop1000]

Option#1. Beat them with your Ruger.

Option #2.I'd likely announce in my "outside voice" that everyone in the immediate vicinity could go **** themselves for being gun snobs and that you would not be back. Tell them you will spread the word too.

Option#3. Take the abuse, after all you bought a Ruger to a S&W shoot without asking permission.

[mec]

interestingly enough, Ayoob just came out with an article about the GP100 in the latest Guns Magazine. He listed quite a few major shooting events won by GP Shooters. Also listed several revolver-related problems the GPs don't have- such as being deconstituted by full magnum loads, having the cylinder latch get loose or fall off and having the gun tie up because the ejector rod has come unscrewed.

[kmrcstintn]

there are just some brand snobs/platform snobs/caliber snobs that we are 'blessed' with...

for illustration purposes only...the only real .357 mag revolver is a Colt Python; the only real handgun defensive caliber is .45 acp; revolvers are way out of date and are for old men; et al

ignore it when possible; rebuttal when ignoring the source doesn't cut it; tactfully ask them to mind their own business if a friendly rebuttal doesn't work; get rude if the source just doesn't get it...after that, use your imagination let out a subtle, evil laugh while looking in their direction :neener:

[TimboKhan]

Ayoob just came out with an article about the GP100 in the latest Guns Magazine

Ayoob is a long time fan of the GP100. Off the top of my head, I don't know that I can think of a writer more vocal in his praise for that particular gun. And, why not? It's a great gun.

[usmccpl]

Nope they dont tease me. I usually have more guns than they do. And I shoot better than the people that use the same ranges I use.

[Checkman]

Idiots. I've seen some excellent shooting by folks using Hi-Points, Rossi's and Taurus models. Are they my choice? No, but who cares what I like? Keep shooting your Rugers and the heck with everyone else.

[tank mechanic]

Yes, the first time I took my new-to-me Marlin levergun to the range I had a guy laugh at me and call it an obsolete POS

Why would anyone make fun of a lever gun? They are quite possibly the most enjoyable shooting platform. That comment shows an utter lack of appreciation for firearms.

As you can probably tell, I really like my Marlin in 44 mag:evil:

[sig228]

Some clown called my P3at ugly at the range last weekend. Said James Bond shot a cool .380, but mine was ugly.

Know what I did? I wrapped black PVC tape around the grip to make it UGLIER!!!!:D

[spiroxlii]

I showed up at the range with a Yugoslavian SKS and a Chinese SKS that I bought at a local gun show a few months ago. The guy in the lane beside me was firing some M16/AR15/M4 clone... tricked out with all kinds of fancy accessories including one of those Aimpoint red dot sights. He looked over and immediately started bragging about how accurate his rifle was and how much money he had spent customizing it. He proceeded to tell me all about how much better his rifle was than both of the rifles I had brought that day, then he went on and on about the virtues and superiority of 5.56 NATO vs 7.62 NATO, which I found hilarious, since the SKS fires 7.62x39, not 7.62 NATO.

Since I was paying for range time to shoot and not to talk with this idiot, I loaded my $150 Yugoslavian SKS and fired a reasonably tight group about an inch left and one half inch below the center of my target. I brought that target back and sent out a fresh target. With my $175 Chinese SKS, I fired an even tighter group, this time about one inch directly below the bullseye. The guy beside me showed me his target and claimed that it was proof his gun was better than mine, because he had managed to hit dead center two times. What he neglected to mention was that he had also hit other points all over the target. I'd rather be consistent than lucky.

Was his superexpensive rifle better than my dirt cheap SKS? Probably. But no gun is a good gun in the hands of a bad shooter. Just as there is such a thing as "too much car" for an inexperienced driver, this guy had "too much gun" for an inexperienced shooter. I buy cheap old rifles like my SKS and Enfields because they're durable, easy to maintain, and fun to shoot. For the money that guy spent on his M4 clone and accessories, I literally bought 3 SKS carbines, 2 Enfield No1MkIII (SMLE) rifles, and 2 Enfield No4MkI rifles.

Maybe the kind of rifles I buy aren't ideal for home defense or competition or hunting, but that's not what I bought them for. For home defense, I have a Maverick 88 (cheap Mossberg 500). I catch a lot of negative comments from Remington lovers and Mossberg haters when I talk about the Maverick. In fact, the guys at my local gun shop all cringed when I said I wanted to buy a Maverick. All I know is that the Maverick does what I want it to do, and it does it every time.

[Bart Noir]

But no gun is a good gun in the hands of a bad shooter.

That may end up as somebody's sig line here on THR.

Bart Noir
Who likes the old used guns also.

[rbernie]

Ever have someone make fun of your guns at the range?Frankly, no.

I can't imagine how I'd react if someone did - it just seems so, well, SILLY.

[Silvanus]

Not actually "made fun" of... I hate the (mostly) old target shooters, who look derisively at "combat" handguns like my Glock or HP, though. They can't understand that I prefer to shoot pistols like that accurately and fast at 15 meters rather than making one super accurate shot every half our with a .22 target pistol at 25 or 30 meters, with my left hand behind my back. Stupid gun snobs...:fire:

[Mr White]

But keep this in mind too, spiroxlii, Your $150 SKSs will still go bang every time and will shoot those reasonably tight groups even if they're completely caked in mud and haven't been cleaned for 2 years. Put 500 rounds thru his tricked out AR and see how many FTFs he has.

[ReadyontheRight]

In a perfect world, you would outshoot them with your Ruger and then, beat the two guns together until parts fell off the Smith and then outshoot whoever is left with your Ruger.

You have nothing to be ashamed of with a Ruger.

That is great!:D

Life is too short to spend time around gun snobs.

[Mat, not doormat]

I've had a few people make fun of some of my odder stuff. Or odder ideas. Most of the time, I like to win, and do what it takes to get there. However, there are days where I have other ideas. Sometimes it can be great fun to use the wrong tool for the job, but use it so well that you still impress.

Everybody knows you can't shoot trap without an expensive single shot, with the worlds funniest looking contraption for a fitted stock, and a vent rib five feet high, right? At least they did till I broke 24 out of 25 with an old '97. 16 ga, no less.

Everybody knows that you can't shoot a 3 gun match without a whole bunch of expensive goofy looking gear, and the latest in tacticool guns, right? At least they did until I shot my "Army Surplus Match." I shot an M1 Carbine, a gi joe 1911, and an old cut down '97. I used a 1912 cavalry holster rig, GI canvas web gear for mags and such, etc.

That was a lot of fun.

~~~Mat

[PrimaryB]

To the original poster, I'm sorry your experience wasn't positive but these guys dropped out of the womb with shooting experience and an endless collection of high end guns. :rolleyes: Chances are there are one or two people in that group who sympathise with you but are afraid to stand up to the head A hole in the group.

IMO I would go back. Take your friend so it is a little more comfortable and act professional, courteous and smile. If your success on the range translates into making them heat up and vibrate inside their skin so be it. :)

I wouldn't buy anything from them except range time. In all aspects of life the people who are courtious and offer support are the real wise people.

PB

[skl1]

I agree with the previous poster who said it seems so silly that I almost can't imagine it. Are you sure they weren't trying to tease you just to initiate some back-and-forth? I imagine you are sure, but boy it seems odd.

There is a trap shooter (contrary to the archetype here, he's a GREAT shot) at the shotgun range, and he makes fun of just about everybody about their guns. Also, about anything else. He comes on pretty strong. Those of us that know him know that he's having fun, but he has pissed off lots of folks when he first met them. He expects you to give it right back to him, though.

Other than that, I've never had anybody make fun of my guns, except some friends who made fun of my first attempt to weld on a Mauser bolt handle.

Lots of times I have guys come tell me what a mistake I made choosing that scope/that caliber/that brand of gun, etc. Some of these guys go to the range to talk, though. They hardly ever fire a shot. And if you make eye contact with one, you won't be able to fire a shot either. They mean well, but the whole conversation will consist of them giving you good instruction.

I put together a Mauser and stuck an old B&L scope on it. Some guy came over and started telling me all the reasons I ought to spend a little more and buy a Leupold. I have around 20 Leupolds. I just stuck the B&L on the rifle for fun. But I still got plenty of instruction.

I had one of my .375's at the range one day, and another guy gave me lots of info on how that wasn't a sensible caliber and was an awful waste of money to get all that recoil...blah, blah, blah.

[IrvJr]

I've had the opposite experience. I was shooting a piece of junk (Auto Ordnance 1911 - this was before Kahr Arms bought AO) and the people shooting with me at an informal bowling pin match were really helpful. The gun kept jamming and several folks tried to help. Also, another time the cheap pot metal front sight popped off while I was firing it (before the gun proceeded to jam again) and a couple of guys called a cease fire and helped me find it! They were shooting some high dollar Euro guns at the time and they never commented on the crappiness of my firearm or even jest in a friendly way about it! I really appreciated their helpfulness.

That AO 1911 was terrible. I disassembled it to clean it and noticed that the locking lugs in the slide were chipping/wearing down (after only shooting a few boxes of factory ammo).

[joplinsks]

A few months ago I took my Remington 552 and Stevens 15 .22 rifles to an indoor range and laid them up on the counter while I signed in. A couple of young, rather cocky guys started talking trash about them. I said "just watch me"... and went to the shooting lane.

I ended up shooting out several target bullseyes at 50 yards with a pair of $100 rifles. They could barely hit large silhouette targets at 15 yards with their $500 Glocks.

When we came out, they asked what I was shooting and if I knew where they could buy them :)

[doc2rn]

I had two young men reaking of something other than cigar smoke make fun of my 10-4, till I asked if they wanted to bet $5 per 10 ring at 20 yds.

[RandomMan]

I had someone make fun of my gun once at the range. I was shooting my Ruger P95, a gun I've owned for nearly 8 years and have fired thousands, upon thousands, of rounds through. He had his Glock, and said, "Man, why would anyone buy a Ruger? You should've bought a Glock kid, it's a much better gun. It's way more accurate than that POS. Someone suckered you with that deal." He shut up promptly, when I stood at the line next to him and put all ten in a large, ragged hole in the center of the target. I simply smiled at him and went about my business.

I thought someone was going to make fun of my Smith 64-5 the otherday at the indoor range I went too. The guy had a brand new Beretta 96 and he couldn't hit the target to save his life. When I pulled a revolver out of the case next to him, I could see he was giving me that, "Wow, that's obsolete" look. That was until I slipped six rounds in the cylinder, closed it, raised the gun and once again shot the center of the target out. Just to jazz him a bit, I yelled to myself over the gunfire, "DAMNIT...that's a bigger hole than the last time. I gotta practice more..."

[theboondocksaints22]

if u like your guns then the hell with the know it all my crap dont stink dumb@$$ .

[Lucky 7]

I've had some characters make fun of my 2.5" S&W 19-3, calling it old-school and just plain ugly. I just gave em my best "buck-fifty" smile and said "Whatever works for me right?" They sneered and went back to missing their targets with a $1000+ Kimber from all of 7 yds. When I give them a few tips to help them get on paper, they look at me like I'm the a**hole.

Regards and Semper Fi!
-L7

[foghornl]

Been a while back, but some guy shooting one of the "Wonder-Nines" was ending up with targets that looked more like shotgun patterns. Not sure, but his gun looked like a Browning Hi-power.

He was gving me a hard time about my "Useless Cowboy Gun" (50th Year Blackhawk)

After I punched 6 holes inside the 10-ring, he went away muttering something about "John Wayne wanna-be"

[Kimber1911_06238]

A few joking remarks, fine. but if he's ruining your day, that's uncalled for. Next time he makes a derogatory remark about your gun, make fun of his wife/girlfriend. (J/K, I know we're supposed to take the high road).

Feeling ashamed or embarrassed by your ruger is not necessary, they aren't the highest priced, but they are rock solid and reliable....and even if they weren't, that's what you bought so he should just shut up and shoot.

[StrikeFire83]

Oh, man can I chime in to this one. This one comes from when I was still back in Texas.

So I unzip my range bag to reveal my plastic fantastic wonder nine (Glock 17) and my pinko piece (CZ-75B) and my cheapie plastic CCW (Kel-Tec P3AT).

Well, the beer-gutted gentleman to my left, who had a very expensive 1911 and a what looked like a Colt Python, maybe one of their other snake revolvers, said something to the effect of "what's wrong with American guns, son?" I hadn't the heart to tell him that Kel-Tec is an American company. I wasn't very offended by his comments, more amused than anything. His friend, an even fatter guy in overalls with a .22 target semi, said did kind of piss me off, refering to the CZ that by that time was in my hand, as a "commie piece of $h!t."

I thought it was funny how young guys (I'm 23) are supposed to be cocky and ill-behaved and here are these two geezers going out of their way to crap on my taste in weapons. I remembered something my dad told me and said: "Opinions are like @ssholes, everybody's got one"

Then I went on to shoot my customary ragged hole with the CZ, and my near ragged hole with the Glock. The 1911 guy was a good shot with his guns, doing the hand behind the back thing as he fired. The .22 guy sucked balls, letting the rounds fly all over the place.

Nothing more was said, by them or me. Their opinions were neither sought out nor welcome. The fact that I was better behaved and a better shot was good enough for me.

[351 WINCHESTER]

Never had anyone make fun of me at any gun range. Pretty stupid of them if they do. You never know when you might have an a/d.

[Elm Creek Smith]

In the olden days, I went to the range with one of the other sergeants in my S-3 Operations shop and a corporal we knew from one of the infantry companies assigned to our task force. The corporal looked over to see what I was shooting and grinned at my old 3 inch Colt Detective Special. He used the line from Lethal Weapon, "A lot of you old-timers like those old sixshooters." Twelve rounds right-handed DA and twelve rounds left-handed at the E-Type silhouette 15 meters outs as fast as I could pull the trigger stopped the smart comments, but it was hitting a two liter Seven Up bottle at 110 yards and bouncing it over the top of the berm that really silenced him. You never know when the bad guy's going to be using a rifle.;)

ECS

[woad_yurt]

I visited my father in CT (I live in TN) and we went to a range up there. We both had some SKSs. I went into the little shop there and looked around. I asked the guy behind the counter if he had any SKSs for sale and he said "We cater to hunters and target shooters here." Then, about my SKS question, he said "We don't sell that stuff here." He almost said "sh*t" instead of "stuff" (he caught himself) and his tone of voice dripped with disgust. What a snob! That was one of those times when an idiot benefited from my giving up alcohol. A pure putz.

Another time, here at home, someone just had to walk over uninvited and tell me how my CZ 52 was vastly inferior to his 9MM. A very amazing thing, seeing as he had never shot or even held one in his hand. He kept talking until I started shooting and letting my spent cartridges fly in his general direction. Don't mistreat my mother, my cat or my CZ 52!

[Tom Servo]

There's alot of elitism from the armchair commando crowd. Usually, I offer to shoot whatever I've got vs. whatever they've got, and they shut up.

Remember, that 82-year-old retiree in the corner with the worn-out, pre-WWII wheelgun can put us all to shame :)

[sundance44s]

After reading these post ...Wow I haven`t run into any people like these in a long time ...I almost forgot how the real world is //I moved to smallsville 12 years ago so I`ve gotten over the public range snobs . I myself have never seen a gun I didn`t like ...And its a big plus when a guy can shoot what he brung ..If he thinks he needs something else to compete / he`ll ask for help .
Small local clubs are great , like family .

[YosemiteSam357]

Actually, I live in a small town and am a member of a small range. Even though it's a private club and we're all shooters, we end up with cliques and factions even within our ranks. There are those who think:

If it's got plastic on it it ain't a real gun
A good huntin' rifle is all anybody needs
You must shoot 600 yard NRA approved courses with a service rifle to be a man
Anyone who shoots anything bigger than a .22 is simply making up for other, er, 'shortcomings', if you get my drift
You're not really a shooter unless you handload

All quite different, but I've heard variations on all the above, not necessarily directed at me.

-- Sam

[kgriggs8@yahoo.com]

"Personally I would take a Taurus over a S&W any day of the week. Taurus revolvers there is no comparison in quality, imho."

Get real man! I am no gun snob but Taurus should not be compared to S&Ws.

I have been snubbed because of what I was shooting but only by people that couldn't shoot so it didn't bother me. People that can shoot don't feel the need to make fun of others.

[hemiram]

The last time I went shooting, the place was crowded (Which I don't really like too well), and I took my "cheapo" Astra A75 (.40) and A100 (9mm)'s out for a little fun. The guy next to me thinks the A-75 is an S&W "Shorty Forty", when I told him it wasn't, it was an Astra, he got this look like a skunk was in the room. I told him it outhoots my friend's Shorty Forty, and has never missed a beat since I bought it about a year ago. I proceeded to load up all six of the mags I have for it, and went through them all without missing a beat. He then proclaimed it's "innaccurate". My shooting is terrible these days, but the problem is me, not the gun. It might not be quite as accurrate as the S&W it's basically a copy of, but it's close enough.

I pulled out the A100. It was the first time I had shot it. It was unfired, but had a few marks on it, from a holster. The guy looks at it, and says, "Is that another Astra? You got a thing for them?" I said "No, not really, but I liked these two and the A-80 I used to have shot great, so I tried them out". I put 150 rounds through the A100, without a problem. I actually managed to do a few decent groups with it. If I had listened to what "Gun Test" magazine said about the A-100 they overpaid a ton for in a recent "vintage" tests, I never would have bought it. Since my A-80 was great, why shouldn't an A-100 be? For $265 with three mags, it was hard to resist!

I noticed the guy had several FTF's with his S&W full sized 9MM. It wasn't new, so he didn't have the "wasn't broken in yet" excuse to fall back on. :D

[JCF]

I don't know if he was trying to make fun of the the gun or me:

Early 20-ish looking fellow came into the indoor range one day with a range rental .500 S&W and watched me finish a cylinder out of a newly acquired model 63 S&W. He looked at me sort of bewildered and remarked "just learning huh?". He proceeded to load up and crank a round out of the big Smith... scaring the living he** out of himself. The next round was fired eyes completely and tightly shut. Neither one hit the target. Kid emptied the unfired rounds back into the box, walked back to the counter weapon in hand, and walked straight out the door.

[rkh]

It's hard for me to believe that people would go to a range, walk up to strangers, and then just start ridiculing them.

I assume it must happen, though, or else this thread wouldn't exist.

All of my face-to-face range encounters have been fairly pleasant. The only somewhat negative experience I've had while shooting was at Blue Trails range in Wallingford--the one that a previous CT poster had mentioned as having a bias against milsurp rifles. On that day I had purchased time on the 200 yard range in order to test out my first AR carbine. Being unfamiliar with the rifle, I didn't realize that the sights were misaligned. After about 30 rounds and 15 minutes, it became obvious that I needed to move in closer to the target in order to get rounds on paper and figure out what the problem was. As I was fetching my target, the two guys that were shooting in a single lane at the other end of that range must have seen the plate carrier rattling while I was trying to free the counterweights. They gave the plate holder a triple-tap for good measure. Although I was never in danger of being shot, I was sprayed with splinters.

[rkh]

double tap

[therapon24601]

I read somewhere, it might have even been on this sight, that guns are like wives: You need to find the one that suits you, and not worry so much what others think. If your gun works and you like it then thats really all that matters.

[Gustav]

Yes, Its part of the fun.:neener:

[f4t9r]

Only in a joking way. Never anything serious.
I enjoy all types of gun and do not care for bad mouthing another product.

[jrfoxx]

Yup, been there, and it REALLY ticks me off!:cuss: I took my 70's Charter Arms "undercover" to a smith in WA 'cause it was missing the fring pin, mainspring, and a couple other little parts when I got it.Coversation went like this:
me: "So, I've gt a Charter Arms 'undercover' from the 70's..."
Him, interupting, and smirking, at another guy at the counter:" I,m sorry to hear that."
my wife (obviously P'O'd): "it was my decased fathers...."
Me: "nevermind, I'll take it elsewhere."

I REALY wanted to lay into the guy, but no good ever comes of doing that, and I was able to hold my tongue (I've learned to exercise VERY good self control after my mid 20's, and since I started carrying.As tempting as it may be, and no matter how deserved it might be, it's just not worth it.And why waste my breath on somebody like that.Needless to say, he never got any of my money after that.O, and as some well deserved praise for customer service.I called Charter arms, and they told me to ship it to them.2 weeks, and $40 later, the gun was 100%, and my wife has a fully functional memory of her father that I enjoy shoting regularly.Turned out to be a VERY nice gun.
some people are just stupid, stuck-up jacka**es....:cuss:

[kungfuhippie]

"nevermind, I'll take it elsewhere."

That was louder than any yelling you could have done. I hate dealing with gun shop commando that act like that, so I try not to.