[ocelot777]

I was just wondering, given the pontification that goes on here, if anyone has any actual experience of "difficult" situations.

I think that detailed (but "anonymised") accounts of such incidents could be very useful to us all.

[hso]

ocelot777,

Search Brownie's and my stories here.
I've had 3 H2H street encounters and come out with only minor injuries.

[ocelot777]

thanks hso (you, I believe), but I think there are many fakers here.

I've had many "experiences" and so I know what I know. What really annoys me is when somebody writes "what you need to do in situation x is y", when anyone who has been in "situation x" knows that what you do is what you can do (and you're lucky if it works out for you).

Also, there seems to be little mention of the fact that, even if you think you are in the right, the best thing to do after such an incident is move quickly away from the scene (and never mention it to anyone, ever).

[VHinch]

I think what you may find is that while those who have "been there" are certainly fewer and farther between, there are many members here who have had significant combat/defense training but not "been to the show". I myself fall in that category. I spent 4 years in the military, all of it in the reserves while in college, and had many opportunities for excellent training. While I have never been in a situation to have to use that training, I do fee that it at least makes me more prepared than someone who has never been fortunate enough to have such training.

As with everything else you read on the internet, take what you read here with a large grain of salt. You're certainly going to find a fair share of keyboard commandos and trolls here, but you may also find experiences and opinions that are useful. Take it all for what its worth.

V

[ocelot777]

Well, I can't really disagree with any of that. Still, I'd like to hear from people who have actually had to defend themselves from criminal assailants.

I (sadly) have such experience and it's pure luck that I'm not currently in prison following one such "experience" (obviously I consider myself to be innocent).

As far as I'm concerned, if someone attacks you, they give up ALL their rights.

More importantly, if someone attacks you, I think that you are entitled to do whatever is necessary to survive.

I'm a strong man with useful skills, but (afterwards) I would definitely advise the "run away" stratagem/

[ocelot777]

this is precisely the problem.

I think that you really have to have "been there" to know what is what.

Most of folks who are sp verysure are not in any way credible (bibbbbble).

g

[ocelot777]

"so very sure", obviously

[Shawnee]

Hi Ocelot...

Thumbs up to you for this one, Ocelot!!! :D

[ocelot777]

As far as having been to the "show", spit it all out (if you, collectively, will do so, so will I).

So . . .

[ocelot777]

Thanks Shawnee, there are definitely too many "keyboard commandos" here.

[Skofnung]

I was just wondering, given the pontification that goes on here, if anyone has any actual experience of "difficult" situations.

Define "difficult."

I grew up in a rough neighborhood and got into my fair share of very nasty scrapes.

I've never had a knife used on me, and I've never used one on somone else and I hope I never will.

I've used improvised impact weapons to get myself and others out of trouble, but that is about it.

Is that what you are looking for?

[ocelot777]

hi Skofnung
Well, you are more credible than most (I do not intend to be offensive here, especially to you my brother), but I really have had to dfend myself against armed assailaints -- have you?

[Skofnung]

Attacked by a person armed with a deadly weapon as defined by Florida law? No.

Attacked by a person that had the weight and strength advantage at the time to kill me barehaned?
Yes.

That was one of two times I have used an impact weapon on another person.

The other was used in breaking up a fight that was going in an ugly direction.

[ocelot777]

I totally believe you (you are close to the top of my credibility list anyway), but your remarks aren't even slightly related to the problem.


The problem is all the "martial artists" who have NEVER had to do this stuff for real.


So there . . .

geoff

[Harold Mayo]

Also, there seems to be little mention of the fact that, even if you think you are in the right, the best thing to do after such an incident is move quickly away from the scene (and never mention it to anyone, ever).

You're entitled to your opinion and can do that if you wish...it might even be the best policy in a place such as the UK where you can be guilty of something even by the mere fact of defending yourself. That is for the individual to decide. The majority of the posters here are from the US, however, and it is generally accepted that taking responsibility for your actions and staying on the side of the law are the "right" thing to do..."taking the high road", so to speak.

[sm]

Many will not reply to a question such as this interacting in person. They for sure will not on a medium such as Internet.

There are sub-forums on various Internet sites, that one MUST show proof of credentials of Military, LEO, Potective Security and similar professions to even gain access to the Forum itself , much less some additional specific subforums.

Some things are Private, some things are best not shared for the sake of security for persons, or other entities. Called Respect.

Some folks were raised with a code, one does not talk about some things, not even to family. Some things can only be understood by others that have undergone the same experiences. Other codes are dictated again by other entities.

Yes, there are folks on this forum that have BTDT. Some have shared "something" - maybe only once, a few times, maybe that is the only "something" they will ever share. That something is all they wish to share, and to the level of experiences they will ever wish to share in public life, and especially Internet.

Sometimes when these same types of persons meet, no words need to be said, the eyes speak volumes though.

[ocelot777]

thanks for your permission harold.
Actually, I think that we would agree on most practical matters. Haven't said that, have you ever been in a situation where you've been attacked and successfully defended yourself.

In my experience, the police prosecute the last man standing.

Perhaps you know better

[ocelot777]

"Many will not reply to a question such as this interacting in person. They for sure will not on a medium such as Internet.

There are sub-forums on various Internet sites, that one MUST show proof of credentials of Military, LEO, Potective Security and similar professions to even gain access to the Forum itself , much less some additional specific subforums.

Some things are Private, some things are best not shared for the sake of security for persons, or other entities. Called Respect.

Some folks were raised with a code, one does not talk about some things, not even to family. Some things can only be understood by others that have undergone the same experiences. Other codes are dictated again by other entities.

Yes, there are folks on this forum that have BTDT. Some have shared "something" - maybe only once, a few times, maybe that is the only "something" they will ever share. That something is all they wish to share, and to the level of experiences they will ever wish to share in public life, and especially Internet.

Sometimes when these same types of persons meet, no words need to be said, the eyes speak volumes though.
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your remarks are barely comprehensible. Were you drunk when you posted them?

Before you ask, I will cheerfully meet you to "discuss" this matter, but I expect that as an American you'd rather just drop a big bomb on me and my innocent neighbours

[Harold Mayo]

It's sad that your experience is such, although that's far from the first time that I've heard that out of someone from the UK.

In the US, that's far from the truth in most jurisdictions. Some few gravitate toward something like that but still not to the extent that I've heard out of the UK.

I've lived in many different places in the US and traveled to and through most others for extended periods on business and there's not one that I would really be afraid of prosecution in if I were the winner in some altercation. There are several where I might be taken into custody while the police figured out the situation but that's a temporary thing.

The presumption here is that you are guilty of something if you flee the scene. With the possibility of witnesses that could identify you as well as the possibility of surveillance cameras and things along those lines, I'd really rather stay than go. I can explain my actions in a defensive situation but it's hard to explain running away after such a situation.

Still, I can't totally disagree that there might be situations where it's better to go away quickly and quietly.

[ocelot777]

We would probably get on well in real life Harold and I do not intend to offend you (and I'm very sorry if I have), but here in the UK what I have said holds true (but don't put it to the test!)

Anyway, if you are ever in theUK, please visit me!

best

geoff

[Harold Mayo]

Actually, I might be going to the UK at some point in the relatively near future. Still unsure if and when or even if I would take the assignment if it were offered.

Not really wanting to test the judicial system of another country. At least the UK doesn't do beheadings.

[ocelot777]

If you do decide to come here (it is actually quite a nice place!), please do get in touch so that I can be a suitable host to a fellow knife-type geezer!