My P229 dont wonts to shoot


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Levan9X19
October 30, 2006, 05:59 AM
I don’t know what is the problem but it simply kills me .....

I bought brand new Sig P229. It got factory target with very nice group on it (see picture bellow), but I just can not make him to shoot straight. Every time hits are grouped about 15cm to the bottom and left of the POA. I never had any problems with other my handguns, especially with my favorite G17. No matter how concentrated I am hits are always bellow the point of aim and slightly to the left.
After consulting few of my fellow shooters I received few suggestions about what might be the cause of the problem and how to solve it:
1. since I am a Glock shooter for a long time I might need some more time and ammo to switch to sig`s SA/DA mechanism (difficult cause ammo is too expensive, 1.50 USD per one cartridge)
2. every man has his own unique ayes so I might need to adjust sight to my eyesight not taking into account results on factory target. (impossible cause no aftermarket or factory sights available in my country)
3. switch to other ammunition (almost impossible, since only Federal or low quality russian or sellier bellot ammunition are available)

I must admit that overall P229 is very very nice gun but how it shoots drive me crazy.......:cuss:

any other suggestions what to do?:banghead:

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jlh26oo
October 30, 2006, 06:18 AM
Could be a number of things, not necessarily operator error. I mean, not all guns' sights POI = POA Moreso with different ammo.

Since you suggested it might be a "you" problem, let someone else shoot it. If they get the same results, it's an equipment problem (gun/sights/ammo).

razorburn
October 30, 2006, 06:20 AM
These groups you're shooting, are they tight at least? Are they consistently left and low? If the gun has adjustable sights, just adjust them. I've never tried to alter my shooting style to fit the gun, I alter my gun to fit my shooting style. If I'm consistently printing 1/2 inch groups 2 inches to the left of the target, shot for shot, then I adjust my sight to indicate that point and I'm putting 1/2" groups dead center in the x ring.

Levan9X19
October 30, 2006, 06:35 AM
first pictures illustrates my results from 15 meters, I guess group is tight enough and I get such groups every time I shoot my Sig.

second picture is from factory target. ii is perfectly normal.

ok I will give my pistol to another shooter and will see how it will perform.....

Falconeer
October 30, 2006, 09:46 AM
Some suggestions from a Sig guy:

1) Bench the gun and confirm the sights are on. I've owned most of the Sig classic pistols (P226, P228, P229, P239, P245) and I've yet to run into one with misaligned sights. Not to say it can't happen, but it's not normal unless someone has been monkeying with it.
2) Hits to low and left of POA usually mean you're jerking the trigger. Take some time in single action and ensure you're driving the sights while you press the trigger.
3) Which trigger does the P229 have? If it's DA/SA get comfortable in single action before working on the DA to SA transition. IMHO it's not as difficult as people make it out to be but it is a skill that has to be learned.

Hope this helps!

OH25shooter
October 30, 2006, 10:22 AM
second picture is from factory target.

That being said, it's definately not the gun. I am not a firearms instructor, but I have had instruction. Maybe you should look at your finger placement on the trigger. Use the first index (fatty part) of your finger. Try to pull straight back. If not, you'll get that "8 o'clock pull". Your rounds will be jerked towards the left, downward. In your case, it's possible since your hits are pulled to the right, you're not getting enough meat on the trigger. You might be pulling the gun to the right subconsciously. I know it's easier said than done. But, it appears from the target provided to you from Sigsauer, your 229 appears fairly accurate out of the box. I had new sights put on my 229 for competition shooting. When I slowly test fired it it was right on target...center, out to 50 feet. But, when I shoot it for speed and don't concentrate on proper trigger pull, it scatters everywhere. I have shot a Glock and the triggers are not the same. But when fired slowly for targets, I did fine with the Glock. For accurate range shooting all I could suggest is concentrate on everything: stance, grip, sight picture, breathing and squeeze. And slow down. You'll get it. Regarding ammo. I use Winchester or CCI Blazer. Federal should be fine. I wouldn't count on any low quality Russian stuff. I doubt Sigsauer uses Russian ammo for sight-in purposes.

10-Ring
October 30, 2006, 11:14 PM
Low/ left is usually a sign of a flinch, ut I'd follow that advice and bench it first and see if it's you or the pistol...
keep in touch in re: of the learning curve w/ you SIG ;)

Levan9X19
October 31, 2006, 04:44 AM
thanx for advices! will see what happens after some more practice, also I got some remington jackated flat nose ammo, will test it tomorrow.

Moonclips
October 31, 2006, 11:54 AM
From the picture of your target above, it seems the impact was low and to the right --- not to the left. Also, the Sig sights are set to point-of-aim and not at 6 o'clock. This may explain why you are shooting low. But it doesn't explain why you are shooting to the right. Some others may be able to help you.

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