Another revolver you'll won't see in local gunshops


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max popenker
October 30, 2006, 08:09 AM
that is, a new Chinese 9mm police revolver (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg199-e.htm)
what is most amusing that they also make a shameless copy of Smith & Wesson M10, but it seems that "western" designs only good for westerners, at least in Chinese point of view.

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thunder
October 30, 2006, 08:18 AM
Wow, a double action only AND a manual safety? That's a little excessive if you ask me... even if it is designed for poorly trained individuals.

Gary A
October 30, 2006, 08:21 AM
Interesting. At least they are not planning on arming their traffic police like assault troops. A few years ago, after the gun ban in Australia, I remember reading a news article in the paper that the police in the state of Tasmania turned in their Model 10s and were issued Glock 19s. Apparently, once the citizenry was disarmed, the police felt the need for greater firepower. Bureaucrats!! - :barf: (and I are one - :uhoh: :o)

BigG
October 30, 2006, 08:21 AM
Wow- that is a crude looking piece of work.

VA27
October 30, 2006, 01:05 PM
Apparently, once the citizenry was disarmed, the police felt the need for greater firepower.

That is the funniest thing I've read all week! While the meek may inherit the earth, the inept are in charge until then!

QuarterBoreGunner
October 30, 2006, 06:15 PM
Interesting that they went for a proprietary cartridge other than something standard and pre-existing. And why base it on the old 38 S&W round?

Weird.

Standing Wolf
October 30, 2006, 09:39 PM
A gun so ugly, even its mother couldn't love it.

10-Ring
October 30, 2006, 10:10 PM
Oh geez, great! :banghead: Dump that photo before the powers that be in the PRK find a need to import here :fire:

Johnny Guest
October 31, 2006, 01:24 AM
Almost achingly ugly.

Clearly, the designer(s?) cared nothing about rapid reload capability. Even with a plenty-long-enough barrel, the ejector rod appears to have about the same stroke as a J-frame two-inch revolver.

"In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." I guess if the masses are totally without firearms, such a revolver would command a certain amount of respect [make that FEAR.]

Johnny

mec
November 1, 2006, 09:25 AM
It looks like they ripped off Dan wesson - barrel; Colt-frame; Harrington and Richardson-rear sight; and smith and wesson- cylinder latch. Just like when they were pirating CDs a couple of years back.

Shawnee
November 1, 2006, 12:31 PM
:barf:

KaceCoyote
November 1, 2006, 12:43 PM
Look at their automotive industry, now look at this thing.




Surprised? I sure aint.

Bullet Bob
November 1, 2006, 07:37 PM
I need one.

No kidding.

Doug.38PR
November 2, 2006, 12:01 AM
Looks very Weblish

Colt46
November 2, 2006, 04:24 AM
I wonder about things like cylinder gap, trigger pull, and how easy it would be to take apart and apply a stone to whatever burrs are in the action.

rc135
November 2, 2006, 02:18 PM
Almost every weapon that they 'develop' is a copy of something else.

buzz_knox
November 2, 2006, 03:12 PM
The proprietary round is so that the families of those executed with it won't be able to go on the 'net and find out if they are being overcharged for the bullet used in the execution.

Eightball
November 2, 2006, 03:21 PM
Almost every weapon that they 'develop' is a copy of something else.Almost? :rolleyes:

jamz
November 2, 2006, 04:09 PM
Anybody else get the banner ad for volkstudio? :D

Outlaws
November 2, 2006, 04:24 PM
For a place that invented the very gun powder that makes all this possible, that is a shame.

But at least we have nothing to worry about interms of an invasion lol. It would just be a billion black ants instead of fire ants.

Hoppy590
November 2, 2006, 04:32 PM
ugly as sin, looks poorly made, and not to mention horribly under powered

Eightball
November 2, 2006, 05:11 PM
It would just be a billion black ants instead of fire ants.Still, a billion black ants would be annoying, at least for anyone close enough to them. I mean, just a swarm of ants....1,000,000,000 ants......

I wonder how much "less lethal" is the black bullet vs. the real one, based on a cartridge like that :p ?

MartinBrody
November 2, 2006, 11:39 PM
eeewwww, that is actually disturbing

DB
November 3, 2006, 12:17 AM
I'll bet they are nucleur tipped bullets.

RyanM
November 3, 2006, 02:48 AM
160 ft-lbs and 720 fps puts the bullet weight at about 140 grains.

I guess it's not that bad, though. Remember, The "PP" in Walther PPK stands for Polizei Pistole. Way back in those days in Europe, it was quite common for police to be armed with various flavors of .22, .25, and .32. About the most powerful cartridge in common use was the .380.

BobG
November 3, 2006, 06:20 PM
A solution in search of a problem.
Wouldn't it be easier to just go with a 38?
And what child's mind decided that a revolver needed a safety?

KINGMAX
November 3, 2006, 06:24 PM
A policeman can't tell a lie, because all the others on the same force will lie right along w/ him to protect each other.

Baphomet
November 6, 2006, 06:32 PM
:eek:

http://www.mgroves.com/images%5Cdo_not_want.jpg

Cliff47
November 7, 2006, 03:31 PM
If you look up the term 'Chinese carbon-copy' on wikipedia, you will find a picture of that particular pistol.

EddieCoyle
November 7, 2006, 04:25 PM
Wow- that is a crude looking piece of work.

I'm going to wait and see how the Performance Center version looks before I pass judgement. :neener:

CDH
November 7, 2006, 05:13 PM
My favorite quote from the description:
It must be noted that no official designation of this gun is known so far.

I think that means that it's some kind of Chinese "Special Ops" weapon designed for clandestine activities. The rubber bullets are a new secret attempt at "silenced" ammunition that doesn't make as much noise when it hits something.

Holy jeepers, I must be bored just sitting here killing time until it's time to go home for the day. :banghead:

Carter

otomik
March 6, 2010, 06:24 PM
It looks like they made the final production guns a bit better looking.
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90783/91300/6574787.html
http://english.people.com.cn/mediafile/200901/15/P200901151356337214503251.jpg
http://english.people.com.cn/mediafile/200901/15/P200901151356422897222086.jpg
http://english.people.com.cn/mediafile/200901/15/P200901151356523093482382.jpg
http://english.people.com.cn/mediafile/200901/15/P200901151356588862105502.jpg
The 9MM police revolvers are the first pistols that have been especially designed for the police in China.Many of these people that are going to receive the gun were previously unarmed traffic cops, etc. there's something to be said about having police use different equipment. it's good to have more separation between civil and military authorities right down to the equipment they use but that's not a strong point of the CCP Gov't. a simple double action revolver with a manual safety seems like a great police weapon a few decades too late. I wonder if they would just be better off coping the design of a taser and mass producing it.

but pointing to a crowd with a revolver that could hold real or rubber bullets (do you feel lucky? well do ya punk?) would be more effective than trying to tase a bunch of people.

Seamore2001
March 6, 2010, 07:21 PM
"Interesting that they went for a proprietary cartridge other than something standard and pre-existing."

It's maybe not so surprising that they went with a proprietary cartridge. In the event the revolver is lost/stolen, it will be more difficult for others to find cartridges for it, since these are only police issue. On the other hand, since guns are illegal for civilians to own there, then it would be unlikely that those outside the police could get ammo anyway, proprietary or not....

Oyeboten
March 6, 2010, 08:04 PM
This sounds like a 9mm only in the sense of a .38 S&W Cartridge being 9mm.

It is apparently a Revolver chambered for a chinee copy of the .38 S&W Cartridge, and, judging by the images of the Cartridges it is a Rimmed Cartridge...

So...not a "9mm" in the same sense as a 9mm Luger Cartridge is.


I will guess that the Revolver will probably chamber and fire .38 S&W just fine.


It is sad to see how horrible so much of the industrializing 'world' is in their really tasteless crude emulations of other's Work.


I love the Chineese common-people, and would love to admire their country's accomplishments, if they had any accomlishments to admire at this point.


What a nightmare...

LoneCoon
March 6, 2010, 08:25 PM
I'm glad they cleaned up the production model some. Kinda rough there, ouch.

Oyeboten
March 6, 2010, 08:46 PM
Yeahhh...the Production Model is not nearly as horrid.


Well..this will make it easier for the Police to shoot dewy eyed Students and Old people who may wish to stand holding Hands in a Park as a passive protest against policies which authorize them being shot.

BBroadside
March 6, 2010, 08:59 PM
And why base it on the old 38 S&W round?

I don't think that's necessarily a bad idea.

With its rim, it's easier to use with star extractors than 9mm Parabellum (which is otherwise similar, dimensionally).

With its short overall length, it provides for shorter and lighter cylinders than .38 Special. (Which can be a disadvantage if it means your trigger finger gets powder burns!)

With traditional loadings, it is indeed underpowered, but AFAIK the reason traditional loadings have to be kept so anemic is to not blow up old guns. With modern metallurgy the PRC could conceivably make these things shoot ammo as powerful as 9mm Para. (At least that is my speculation based on what must be similar case capacity c.f. the 9mm Para.) So they could issue ordinary beat cops with something anemic and then have a hot alternative if they needed something better.

Fishslayer
March 6, 2010, 09:23 PM
Oh geez, great! Dump that photo before the powers that be in the PRK find a need to import here

ROFLMAO!! First thing I thought when I saw the manual safety!:barf:

I kinda like the case hardening, though...

otomik
March 6, 2010, 09:55 PM
I love the Chineese common-people, and would love to admire their country's accomplishments, if they had any accomlishments to admire at this point.

What a nightmare...:confused:
really now?!?!

they invented the printing press. unfortunately it did not have the same impact it did in europe because of the difficulty of literacy using Han characters with it's alphabet in the thousands.
http://www.computersmiths.com/chineseinvention/blockprint.htm

Well..this will make it easier for the Police to shoot dewy eyed Students and Old people who may wish to stand holding Hands in a Park as a passive protest against policies which authorize them being shot.it's pretty clear that this is the first gun designed especially with police use in mind and that's a step in the right direction.

joe_security
March 6, 2010, 11:08 PM
I think I like the holster more than the revolver.

conhntr
March 6, 2010, 11:53 PM
so when is springfield going to slap some dumb acronym on it--RP REVOLVING PISTOL-- and put "US" marked grips on it and start selling it as the GI revolver?

Oyeboten
March 7, 2010, 01:24 AM
Otomic,


The 'Printing Press', Macaronii, Paper Money, whatever, were not inventions of contemporary communist red chinese...to whom my reference was directed.

I apologise for the Thread Drift...please pardon the slip up.

CajunBass
March 7, 2010, 05:58 AM
Well. It's not really "good looking" but it's not a Nagant.

otomik
March 7, 2010, 07:16 AM
so when is springfield going to slap some dumb acronym on it--RP REVOLVING PISTOL-- and put "US" marked grips on it and start selling it as the GI revolver?I wish i could buy a Norinco 1911 in America.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_a5hZiox29CQ/SpPRW6TXl8I/AAAAAAAAAWY/1Fkrtf2LGKQ/s320/NorincoRust2.jpegthis is stephen a. camp's photograph and that is a nice pistol. for nationalistic reasons the chinese have preferred to use their own designs.

The 'Printing Press', Macaronii, Paper Money, whatever, were not inventions of contemporary communist red chinese...to whom my reference was directed.there's little doubt that a planned economy fails to encourage innovation and so many talented chinese people have fled to other countries.

this blog has a little chart that neatly shows nobel prizes given to chinese people. ALL have fled.
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/10/list_of_chinese_nobe.html

Coatofplates
March 7, 2010, 08:44 AM
I'm actually kinda excited about this. just think, in a few years I wont have to buy .38 SW at $21-$30 a box anymore, I'll be able to get a surplus spam can of 1000 rounds for just a few bucks.

otomik
March 7, 2010, 08:54 AM
just think, in a few years I wont have to buy .38 SW at $21-$30 a box anymore, I'll be able to get a surplus spam can of 1000 rounds for just a few bucks.not unless you live in canada.

The Lone Haranguer
March 7, 2010, 09:21 AM
http://english.people.com.cn/mediafile/200901/15/P200901151356588862105502.jpg

Pointing it at his own fingers? :uhoh:

Here is a perfect illustration of Cooper's Four Rules in action, and how you usually have to break at least two to have a AD/ND. He is in clear violation of Rule Three (and possibly Four), but Two saved him.

conhntr
March 7, 2010, 11:40 AM
I wish i could buy a Norinco 1911 in America.//

why would you want to support their infrastructure? if everyone did the same we could get all american arms makers to go out of business. then we, and the military, would beholden on foreign nations for our firearms.

Gordon
March 7, 2010, 11:40 AM
When I was in PRC I was constantly getting a lazer beam to the forehead by policemen! They were taking my temperature with a pistol type device. I was told if my temperature was over the threshold the device would buzz and I would be escorted to the nearest clinic for further screening. Also was scanned passing checkpoints in airports and trains. They take epidemics REAL seriously over there. I saw very few firearm equipped cops out side big cities.

MCgunner
March 7, 2010, 12:01 PM
Looks like something crafted in a back yard machine shop for black market sale in countries like Britain where real carry guns are outlawed. :rolleyes:

BBroadside
March 7, 2010, 12:25 PM
Wait a minute, otomik, are you saying 38 S&W is cheap in Canada? Apologies if I read you completely wrong. In the meantime I'll try to figure out how hard it is to get live ammo into the US.

Nathanael_Greene
March 7, 2010, 01:07 PM
Anyone else here wondering why the Chinese need to provide firearms to those who previously didn't have them?

Could it be there's trouble a-brewin' in the workers' paradise?

otomik
March 7, 2010, 10:51 PM
Wait a minute, otomik, are you saying 38 S&W is cheap in Canada? Apologies if I read you completely wrong. In the meantime I'll try to figure out how hard it is to get live ammo into the US.when was the last time you bought chinese ammunition? it would be nice to be able to buy chinese ammunition, it would put significant downward pressure on ammo prices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco

go up to Canada, buy some ammo and bring it into the US? sounds like a bad idea.

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