I Want an Automatic


October 30, 2006, 10:21 AM
I would appreciate some advice. I am interested in purchasing a new automatic. My budget does not allow for much. I have around $425 to spend. I would like something that I could carry. I have a .357 revolver that is very heavy and difficult for me to conceal, so something that is not as heavy. This will be a self defense gun. I am not interested in .40 or .357. Would like something that is reliable (obviously). I have had my eye on the 3rd generation Taurus Mil Pro in 9mm. I have heard a lot of positives about the Bersa .380, but understand the negatives (ammo price, knock down power debate). Not interested in the Kel-Tec products.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you.


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October 30, 2006, 10:24 AM
EAA Witness P series are good pistols, http://www.eaacorp.com , I think Taurus is also a decent mid-priced pistol but I only have experience with their revolvers.

October 30, 2006, 10:44 AM
IMO the Bersa is the best small carry auto you will find in your price range. If you buy a Bersa .380 you will save enough $$$ to get several boxes of FMJ ammo for practice.

October 30, 2006, 11:12 AM
XD series from Springfield Armory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_Armory_XD). (Wikipedia link)

October 30, 2006, 11:15 AM
Used XD9 , used Glock 19. or a FN FNP-9M.

Personally, I'd go with the FN. double/single action, Polymer, small, light, fairly hi-cap.


Ala Dan
October 30, 2006, 11:15 AM
Also, check out Rugers and CZ's. You may have to "annie up" a tad bit mo'
money; but it would be worth it in the long run. :)

October 30, 2006, 11:21 AM
...knock down power debate.

That ALWAYS gets knocked around. The best answer is shot placement. Anyway, with $425 to spend, you might consider used LE autos in Sig, Glock, Beretta or S&W 9mm. Not the larger duty carry, but the smaller concealed models. Many haven't been cleaned (by the selling gunstore), but have normally only been fired for qualification purposes. Not a ton of rounds down the barrel.

October 30, 2006, 12:09 PM
S&W and Glock LE trade ins are good values, and a new CZ-75 should run just over $400. If you're willing to jump up to a .45 the new Ruger P345 is slimmer and less bulky than the older P-series guns. A used Springfiel Armory GI or Mil-Spec model is also an option, along with a new Rock Island, if you think a 1911 would be more your style. There are alot of really good new and used guns out there in your price range, so the best thing is to go handle a bunch and see what fits your hand.

October 30, 2006, 12:28 PM
The latest Seecamp LWS32 owners I've seen at the Seecamp Forum bought NIB for around $365. That's a great price for a very reliable and very concealable weapon.

October 30, 2006, 12:46 PM
When in doubt, get a Glock. I am not normally comfortable with used guns, but a used Glock is the exception. It is available in any caliber you like, and they are VERY consistent in their manufacture. You can poke around, buy the used Glock, AND a few holsters or accessories for that price range.

Keep it and carry it, and over time, go to a range wjere you can test-fire anything you want, get some experience, and eat some macaroni and cheese until you can afford the pistol you really want, if cost were no object. When you are trusting it with your life, you shouldn't be conforming to a cheaper pistol, if the one you want is only a couple of hundred dollars more.

You may even find you prefer a less expensensive pistol. If you do, stick with it.

October 30, 2006, 04:06 PM
Do you absolutely need to have a new gun? Most people buy guns and put maybe a few hundred rounds through them before they get bored and move on to other things. Trust me I know from experience..:neener:

I'd recommend looking around for a newer used Glock 19, 17 or 26. They are great guns, and very reliable.

Lately i've picked up a used G17 and a used G26 w/night sights for around $400.

Good luck,

October 30, 2006, 04:12 PM
For CCW I would go with something that is know to be very realiable, and out of the choice given I would pick a used Glock. Yes, they are fugly but they are stone reliable, combat accurate, and cheap. Another plus is that they are many on the used market for a good price, that are Police trade and hardly used.

October 30, 2006, 04:19 PM
Don't know where he lives, but in Texas you can buy most any new Taurus autoloader for his $425 at any decent gun show, the major exception being the new PT1911 -- $450 is the best price I've seen on these.

The PT-111 or PT-145 Millenium Pro models are good choices for CCW on a budget, IMHO. These can usually be found for about $300 new with two mags.


October 30, 2006, 05:47 PM
My regular CCW is a Taurus Millenium Pro - completely reliable and surprisingly accurate. I've got about 750 rds through mine without a single stoppage, and it fits my hand perfectly. Well worth the $300 it cost me.

October 30, 2006, 08:58 PM
used xd in any caliber, or a glock 19, really which everone fits you best.

October 30, 2006, 09:04 PM
Steyr MA1 :D

October 30, 2006, 09:30 PM
$425 opens you up into the world of the pre owned. I've bought a few guns at that price point...let's see - Glock, HK USP, S&W, Beretta and SIG. You just need a little patience & a network to check out these guns
Good luck on your quest!

October 31, 2006, 10:59 AM
get that SA/DA PT-111 Mil. Pro. and don't look back.

spend the extra on leather, ammo. and a range membership.

October 31, 2006, 11:42 AM
for XD9, great gun for the money.

October 31, 2006, 02:45 PM
Bersa Thunder 9 Ultra Compact.

Il Duca
October 31, 2006, 07:15 PM
In your price range a CZ would be what I would go with. All the ones I've seen are EVERY bit as reliable as a Glock and comfortable in the hand. They are one of the best guns around for that kind of money. And the prices are steadily rising in my area due to people finding out that they love them.



Phil DeGraves
November 2, 2006, 03:23 PM
Get a used J-Frame S&W .38 revolver and then you can use the ammo in either gun.

November 2, 2006, 06:12 PM
Spend the rest on practice.

November 2, 2006, 08:31 PM
Dang, what a problem

I am a fan of Taurus so, whatever you could buy in it in at least a 9mm is good.
I got a PT92 [9mm] and it is a fantastic gun for the money, about $400.
Next to the Glock 30 I own, it [PT92] is the only gun I did not have to work on 'out of the box'. Nearly 1,000 rounds of any ammo I have and it keeps coming back for more. "Tough as a two dollar steak", I believe, is the saying.

Too bad you are not intersted in KelTec because, one of the best carry guns I own [or backup] is the P11. 11 rounds of 9mm +P in a lightweight, small gun.
Hard to beat.

November 2, 2006, 08:37 PM
You wont go wrong with a CZ 75.

November 2, 2006, 09:10 PM
Taurus Mil Pro 145 SSP. Small, easily concealable, 10+1 of 45ACP and you can get them new for well under your price and still have holster money left. Or, you can buy the model with night sites for your price.

Springfield XD-9 Sub Compact. 10+1. A little more money but not a lot more.

CZ-75 Compact 9mm. 14+1. Your price, nice gun.

FNP-9M (Compact) 15+1. A few bucks more than your price.

All are within ounces of each other with the XD-9 being the lightest.

November 2, 2006, 09:13 PM
Stick with the Taurus. New gun in your price range + lifetime warranty (or as long as Taurus is around I guess)

November 2, 2006, 11:33 PM
Check out the Beretta Px4 storm, quite a nice gun really. designed with ergonomics in mind.

November 3, 2006, 10:10 AM
+1 on the Milpro We have one with over 500 rnds thru it. Never a malfunction or jam. Very accurate, and my wife's preferred shooter. It's her CCW. The prices on the 9mm have jumped about $80 around here lately, if you can even find one, so they are getting popular. You can still get the 45's fairly cheap and they are available. Good size for carry, but not a pocket pistol.

November 3, 2006, 04:07 PM
If I had to choose only 1 auto... Glock 19.

.357 magnum
November 3, 2006, 04:30 PM
By the 24/7 pro they are totally reliable can get is brand new 380-400. Has a 17 round mag- Has the best grip out there, accurate, reliable, and not a wide gun, can conceal.

I am even behaving myself by not advising you to buy a .45


I added a second link for you, in case you want a stainless slide.

Have a great one!

November 4, 2006, 01:13 AM
Hey, where are you guys getting automatic pistols from ;) .
For that kinda money, if it's gotta be new then it's gotta be Mil-Pro. And you guys gotta hook me up.. I priced on yesterday at $429.00 :what: I said "NO THANKS". I noticed they were selling mags kinda high too. Those guys are usually nice to me.

November 4, 2006, 12:10 PM
Try budsgunshop.com

November 4, 2006, 12:16 PM
Well, I like my Kel Tec, but the Taurus is a good gun. You could go with Glock if you like 'em, I don't really. The G26 is a nice little carry gun, but not much harder to carry and easier to shoot well is the G19.

I like the Ruger P guns, first rate autos that always go bang and shoot well. I like the P97 or P95, ain't much into that new P345, though.

The sigs are nice if you have a good payin' job, the CZs are nice for a little less scratch. Never handled a Bersa, but not many bad mouth 'em. I mean, it's just up to you, what do you want?

November 5, 2006, 02:58 AM
A slightly used Glock would be perfect for you. You can get one with what you have to spend.

November 12, 2006, 02:34 PM
in order of my liking PT in 9 or.45. The Kahr makes a nice weapon in the CW line, a XD is not a bad choice from S.A.

November 12, 2006, 02:45 PM
In your price range there are several good guns you can find new and a ton of good used guns in that range.

I'm a big fan of the Taurus Milennium Pro. If it is your first autopistol though you may want to get it in 9mm. It is a smallish gun and depending upon your recoil sensitivity anything more may be too much (I find my PT140 Milennium Pro quite comfortable in .40S&W but a friend who doesn't shoot much thinks it is pretty punishing). My PT140 M. Pro is a well made gun, it is 100% reliable through 750-800 rounds now, it is pretty accurate, and the DAO trigger is nice (at first it was heavy, it is still long, but it is very smooth now, kind of like a nice DA revolver). It is one of my home defense guns (even though it is a small CCW sized auto and I have full-sized service pistols) and often comes with me when I travel to a state where I can CCW. It is also one of my favorite range guns.

I'd also check out the FN FNP9 or FNP40 which may be in your price range depending upon prices in your area (maybe a little more, but not much, if it isn't). Check the Charles Daly Hi-Powers. The Springfield Armory Mil-spec 1911. The Springfield XD. The Taurus PT911 (9mm) or PT940 (.40S&W). The CZ 75B. If you go used you may almost be able to get a used SIG, a used Glock may be in your range (though they aren't my first choice for a first autopistol, they are good guns). Also, you may want to look at a new S&W 910 or 908 or a used 3rd Generation S&W as they are good guns and usually not overly expensive.

Rugers usually get mentioned for good inexpensive guns. Personally I have not had good experiences with Rugers (except the .22lr MKII). My first autopistol was a Ruger KP89 which was very inaccurate. I currently own a KP345 which has not been very reliable. Still, they have good reputations and I'm sure the P90 or P95 would make good guns and are worth considering (I still may buy a P95 sometime in the future).

I have a Bersa Thunder in .380. It is reliable, it is pretty accurate, and I don't like it much. It is not comfortable to shoot- the "beavertail" cuts my hand. Also, for only a little more money you can get the Taurus Milennium Pro series which aren't much bigger and are in much more potent calibers. Still, it isn't a bad gun should you choose to go with one.

There are a ton of good guns to choose, pick what you like best.

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