[MCNETT]

I just got off of the phone with Tom Gresham an Steve Spenetti (SP), president of Ruger firearms. I suggested to him that they might try to make a GP-100 sized 10mm wheelgun and a P-series pistol in 10mm. He seemed genuinely interested told me that from time to time they make "test runs" of various guns that they want to put out there in a limited market. He said to me "never say never, it just might happen!"
-Mike

[Cal4D4]

I'm ready! I have often looked at my GP100 and wondered if there was room for 6 x 10mm. Looks pretty tight to me. Maybe if they use the same steel as the .454 SRH cylinder.

[CZF]

That would be one sweeeet revolver, and at much lower cost
than the S &W 610.

Even a 10mm on the Redhawk frame would be nice. You
should also push for a 5 shot .44 Special on the GP-100.

[Chuck Perry]

So where do we send our "please please please" letters too? I'd love a GP, but have too many 357's to justify it. Only one 10mm so far. :)

[Nightcrawler]

A 10mm P90/GP100 combo? WHERE THE HECK DO I SIGN?? I'd be ALL over that in a HEARTBEAT.

[forquidder]

I heard the call and my impression was that he was blowing a little smoke trying to humor you. They may eventually make a 10mm semi and/or revolver but it seems to me as if most of Rugers innovative variety revolves around their single action wheelguns.

[WonderNine]

You should have told him to make more 9mm SP-101's....

[caz223]

A .45 colt gp100.
A 10mm P-series auto pistol.
A 10mm gp100\redhawk.
I'd buy one of each.

[WebHobbit]

A .45 colt gp100.

What? A 4 shot?

:scrutiny:

[caz223]

I didn't think of that.
The smiths that shoot .45 colt are N-frames, aren't they.
Taurus makes medium frame .45 colts, right?

[JohnK]

They may eventually make a 10mm semi and/or revolver but it seems to me as if most of Rugers innovative variety revolves around their single action wheelguns.

Even there Ruger isn't exactly on the bleeding edge of innovation. Fixed sights on a SA revolver, or a heavy rib for mounting a scope? Hardly ground breaking.

I've been told the Taurus Trackers have a cylinder that is 1.531" in diameter in 45 Colt. I'm not home to measure it, but how wide is the GP100 cylinder?

[Frohickey]

Cancel the Redhawk line, and make shorter barrelled SuperRedhawks. The lack of the recoil-absorbing grips hurts. (The exposed steel backstrap of the Redhawk grips hurt, with fullpower loads)

[Mal H]

JohnK, the GP-100 cylinder is about 1.50". Should be enough room for 5 .45 Colts in it.

[blades67]

Don't hold your breath.:rolleyes:

[JohnK]

Unfortunately I agree Blades. Ruger seems to have something against 5 shot guns.

Just FYI, my GP100 cylinder is 1.545" in diameter, so if Taurus can make a 5 shot 45 Colt Ruger can (if they wanted to) build a 5 shot GP100 45 Colt, or 41 Magnum or 44 Special or any number of calibers that people have been asking for for years.

[4v50 Gary]

Isn't the .357 SP101 a 5 shot gun?

[Thumper]

Sign me up for a .45 Colt KGP-141.

[WonderNine]

Cancelling the ugly, heavy, blocky Redhawk line is the best idea I've heard in this thread so far.

A medium/large frame 6 shot .45LC would be awesome.

[Frohickey]

Maybe each one of us can buy 100 shares of RGR, and vote as a block.

At $9.61 a share, and a market capitalization of $258.6 million, we only need 13.7 million shares to own 51% of Ruger.

How many THR members do we have with $1000 to invest? Anywhere close to 137,239? :D

[blades67]

I meant don't hold your breath for a 10mm Auto. The other guns being wished for in this thread weren't even part of the call. Don't hold your breath for any of it really.

[Deuce]

I think Ruger has been missing out on a great opportunity for years.

S&W has a pretty big selection of DA revo's.

Taurus seems like they might have even more.

Ruger's got the SP101, GP100, and Redhawk. Granted, with the different calibers and hammers, they could have more like 7 or so models of the SP101, but, it still doesn't come close to S&W's j-frame collection.

Everyone knows that S&W revo's are pricey compared to Ruger and Taurus. So, anyone who would rather spend less makes a brief stop at Ruger on their way to Taurus.

I don't own a Ruger, but, everyone I know who does ... loves 'em.

I've got a few S&W revo's and might buy a few more, but, if Ruger were to go "all in", I'd give 'em a real serious look.

Anyone seen the new S&W .45acp j-frame ... they just trimmed back the cylinder and extended the bbl back to meet it ... looks like crap!

Enter Taurus with .45lc and .44spl (L-frame, I guess) revos and a new 9mm j-frame. Meanwhile, Ruger rests on its SP101 laurels. Seems like a shame to me.

[WebHobbit]

Anyone seen the new S&W .45acp j-frame ... they just trimmed back the cylinder and extended the bbl back to meet it ... looks like crap!

You're talking about the N-frame snub aint ya??????????

No way they can get more than 3 rounds of .45 in a J.

[Handy]

Did you suggest to the Ruger president that they should support legislation banning all revolvers that hold more than six shots?

[Deuce]

Oops. Saw the weight ... didn't realize it was a scandium. Still looks like crap!

[makarov]

I think Ruger should make a decent DA .22 revolver to compete with the S&W 617 and the Taurus Tracker. Base it on the GP-100 and make it in .22LR and .17HMR - I would buy one in a second. The SP101 size .22LR just doesn't cut it for me. I want a full size 6" barrel target revolver. I just don't want to spend $500 on a 617.

[seeker_two]

Not holding my breath, but I'd like to see them do a 3-cylinder set of Blackhawks in the following calibers:

*.38-40/.40S&W/10mm
*.357Mag/9mm/.356 GNR (.41Mag necked down to .357)
*.45Coltl/.45ACP/.45WinMag or .454 Casull

And, to digress, I'd like to see the 96 lever-action in .357Mag/.38Spl and .45Colt/.454Casull. And maybe in .500S&W too...:evil:

But I'm not holding my breath...:cuss:

[45auto]

I have always wondered why they never dived into the 1911 market.
They cast frames for them now, I believe.
I think they could sell quite a few at the normal reasonable Ruger pricing.

[Desert Dog]

I don't understand why there is the aversion at Ruger to build alloy revolvers. An SP101 in alloy would be sweet.

Another one is not making a compact pistol. A P95 or P97 is NOT compact.

Triggers... the stinking triggers need to be tuned.


Off the topic a little, (a lot) is that the rifle line could use some help as well... I want them to bring back the #3 single shot, and a #1 with a 30" barrel chambered in 45-"something".

A lever action .480 Ruger would be nice as well.

But most of all... I want a PC45...

Mike

[George Hill]

A Ruger 1911?

No thank you.

[Desert Dog]

A Ruger 1911?

Oh come on George, where is you sense of adventure? It would be tough enough you could shoot .45 Super in stock form... :D

The trigger would probably suck though... :rolleyes:


Mike

[Nightcrawler]

Ruger already makes two .45s that, while not being pretty, are tougher and probably more reliable than any out of the box 1911 in the price range (if you could even get a decent 1911 for $450). I don't see why they'd bother to tool up to make a 1911; I mean, it's not like there's any shortage of 1911 makers.

I would like to see a 10 round, double stack P97, though.

[chaim]

I don't understand why there is the aversion at Ruger to build alloy revolvers. An SP101 in alloy would be sweet.I think if they did that there would probably be one in my future.

[Gordy Wesen]

Wouldn't the 10mm need half moon clips? That simply makes it a gun that shares a caliber with your primary weapon and a clumsy one at that. I'll cast a vote for the .45LC.

[tiberius]

Other than novelty, I don't understand the niche that a 10mm revolver would fill.

We already have the .41 magnum. Not that Ruger makes a Medium framed DA for it, but .41 would be a better choice for a DA revolver than 10mm simply due to the rimmed case.

I think 10mm is a fantastic auto cartrige.....Am I missing something in regards to its appeal in a DA revolver?

[Rob96]

"Ruger 45's being more reliable than 1911's in its price range."
My P-90 has been more reliable than a $700+ and a $900+ Kimbers that my brother has.

[caz223]

If you have a 10mm revolver, then you can use moon clips (Fast, easy reloads.)
Also, you can shoot 10mm and .40 S&W out of the same gun.
Kinda like .38 spl., and .357 mag.
.41 specials are more obscure than .41 mag, and other than buying the brass from starline, the only way to get .41 specials is to chop good .41 magnum brass, and reload to .41 spl. specs.
On the order of .41AE. Or find someone that makes a moon clip that works with .41 magnum revolvers, and .41AE brass, and shoot that. (Prolly LESS common than .41 mag!)
170-180 grain bullets, either way.
Survey your local range.
If you can't find .40 laying around the range, you're not looking hard enough.
Good luck finding .41 magnum brass laying on the ground.
(Desert eagles, coonans, etc.) People that shoot .41 tend to pick up their brass.
You can reload .40 lead very inexpensively, and it shoots just fine.

[gconan]

Ruger don't like CCW weapons:scrutiny:

[El Tejon]

No honest man needs a Ruger!

[tiberius]

If you can't find .40 laying around the range

Is this the same .40 brass that has been run through a Glock and is ready rupture :)

If you're gonna reload (I do) it doesn't matter if the brass is somewhat obscure or not since it is highy reusable and when amortized over its entire life is almost free anyway.

[caz223]

tiberius, I get the feeling that you have never used moon clips.
They are actually fairly easy to use, and very quick.
Quicker than speed loaders or speed strips.
.41 mag is my favorite round of all time.
10mm is my second favorite round of all time.
You can easily make major power factor in 10mm safely in a revolver, and shoot your .40 reloads for practice.
In a nice tight revolver, you can load lead .40 just hot enough to make major.
Advantage? Faster extraction and loading because of the shorter cases. ;)
The 10mm is shorter than .41, and is quicker to load than .41 in a revolver, even moon-clipped .41, if there is such an animal.
As of right now, I don't own a smith 610.
That is one of my shortcomings that I plan to remedy post-haste.
625s are also the cat's meow for wheelgun gaming types.
And for the record, free brass is even better than almost free brass.
I sort out the herniated "glocked" brass.
Most brass run through a glock resizes and shoots just fine.

[Nightcrawler]

Ruger don't like CCW weapons

Hence the SP101 and fixed sight, small gripped versions of the GP100, right?

The Ruger alloy framed guns need to be a certain size in order to maintain strength, I believe. The P93 was an attempt to make a semicompact, but it didn't work out so well.

[Chuck Perry]

The story I have read on the SP101 is that Mas Ayoob lobbied Bill Ruger for a LEO backup revolver. This was the intention with which the SP was created. Note that the original's were stamped for use only with 125 grain 357 loads, the preferred LEO loading. Ruger did a good LEO business with his Speed Six and Security Six revolvers. I am sure he sought to expand on that with the SP. I think that if his auto's had ever caught on with LEO's we might have seen a compact or subcompact. I doubt we will now. Though with Ruger Sr. now gone, you never know what direction the company will head.

[JohnK]

Note that the original's were stamped for use only with 125 grain 357 loads, the preferred LEO loading.

Remember the original SP101 was a 38 Special. As I recall they took the cheap and easy route when bringing out the 357 Mag version by just reaming out the38 Special cylinder, which of course was to short for most 357 Mag rounds hence the limit to 125gr loads.

[Chuck Perry]

Thanks JohnK, never heard that. From what I can find on the net the initial chamberings offered in 1991 were a six shot 32 Mag and five shot 9mms and 357s.

[JohnK]

I've never read or heard anything about different frame sizes so my guess is they squeezed a slightly longer cylinder in the same frame window.

I remember there being articles on gunsmiths converting them to 357 by reaming out the cylinder too, but I don't remember anything specific about when or exactly what Ruger did with the later models to allow them to use heavier bullets.

It would be interesting to lay an original first run SP101 next to a current one to see how they've changed over the years.