Flying Ash Tray?


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WhoKnowsWho
January 5, 2003, 01:58 PM
What type of load is it and why is it significant enough to have its own name?

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Cal4D4
January 5, 2003, 02:09 PM
To the best of my knowledge, it is a generic term applied to large caliber hugely hollowpoint bullets. Think along the terms of a cast hollow base wadcutter loaded backwards.

Jim Watson
January 5, 2003, 02:10 PM
The original Flying Ashtray was the Speer 200 grain .45 JHP. It had a VERY wide hollowpoint, hence the name. It was available in factory loads about 1000 fps and for reloading and custom loaders. It had the reputation of being a little difficult to ensure good feeding with because of its wide nose and short length. I think it has been replaced by a 200 grain Gold Dot with more ordinary ogive and hollowpoint.

49hudson
January 5, 2003, 02:15 PM
Was named for the 200 grain Gold Dot hollow point bullet, which has a very large opening .

Fair 'n Square
January 5, 2003, 02:40 PM
Jim Watson has it right. I was shooting "flying ashtrays" (Speer 200gr. JHP's) in my Series 70 Colt long before Gold Dots were developed.

Turk
January 5, 2003, 03:25 PM
Jim is correct. Actually I still use them when I take my Series 70 out instead of my Highpowder.

Have a good day.

Turk

Catbird
January 5, 2003, 03:38 PM
Jim is correct. Also, the flying ashtrays are still available in the CCI/SPEER .45 ACP, 200 grain JHP Blazers. I still have a supply of about 600 bullets for reloading .45 ACP and .45 Colt. BTW, the hollow point cavity is huge.

Cal4D4
January 5, 2003, 05:32 PM
I protest. Gun rags were using the term in the '60s. Maybe Speer adopted it, but the first I heard if it was with regards to some old timer's loading in the .455 Webley using an unsized cast dead soft hollow base wadcutter reversed at around 600 fps. And even that was probably from the '50s. I need backup from C.R. Sam or Ken Waters or someone.

Catbird
January 5, 2003, 09:43 PM
IIRC, the first time I heard that term (Flying Ashtray), was in my first ABCs of Reloading by Dean Grennell back in the 1970s.
Just for fun, I'll try to locate that book and see what he had to say about it. :)

Gordon
January 6, 2003, 01:50 AM
Now we are getting somewhere! I too think Dean Grennell used the term around turn of century,er 1970 or so. Later someone else started refering to that 200 .45 acp bullet as that and we all tried to make our .45s feed it reliably. I dont know about bad guys but I killed a few pigs and slaughtered a few sheep and goats with that load and it seemed like THE most effective .45acp load I ever saw. Now my vote goes to 230 Black Talons of which I have a (my ) lifetime supply.:D

WhoKnowsWho
January 6, 2003, 04:10 AM
I expected a quick and simple answer. Thanks for expanding it and giving more information on it! :)

Iggy
October 6, 2007, 11:31 PM
Seems like I first heard the term describing the old SuperVels back in the 60's

Walkalong
October 7, 2007, 12:10 AM
I am with Jim. The first I ever heard the term "flying ashtray", it was the old Speer 200 Gr. HP. Long before Gold Dots.

My old Springfield shot many of them. Ate them like candy. :)

joneb
October 7, 2007, 12:55 AM
65108 These are loaded pretty warm and they worked well on water filled milk jugs at 50yds, Big 5 blew them out many years ago at 1/2 price which = $5 I bought all the FMJ and JHP they had left :D

jeepmor
October 7, 2007, 01:31 AM
Lagunitas IPA, yummy. Oh yeah, flying ashtrays, the Sierra 230 grain JHP are pretty big ones too but don't have that round profile as those shown with that great beer in the background.

2sigs
October 7, 2007, 02:49 PM
Maybe not what started the "Flying Ashtray" but this is mid 80's box of SPEER Lawman 200JHP

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc206/2sigs/arms003.jpg

link to more http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc206/2sigs/

-2sigs

tasco 74
October 7, 2007, 05:55 PM
i have loaded 148 gr. hollow based wadcutters backwards in to .357 mag cases pretty hot and they do a heck of a job blowing up gallon milk jugs of water! i don't think i'd use them for anything but fun in the political climate now but they are interesting!

Patnav
January 25, 2009, 04:49 PM
Just wanted to put in my 200 grains. Not to belabor the point; but yes, these were the SPEER CCI Lawman 200 gr JHP's I bought in the early 80's. Because of its wide cavity, it would tend to jam on some feed ramps that weren't exactly throated for it. I never had any feed problems with this particular round on either my STAR PD or ASTRA A-90. :neener:

In fact, this round was part of my "carry load." I'd have a GLASER "up the spout", with this 3 SPEER 200 rounds up next, followed by 3 Winchester 185 Silvertips. 1 spare mag of Remington 185 JHP's and a spare mag of KTW's (when they were legal) as a last resort. I still have 2 mint boxes. Ah, the good 'ol days. :banghead:

Jim Watson
January 25, 2009, 05:17 PM
I'd have a GLASER "up the spout", with this 3 SPEER 200 rounds up next, followed by 3 Winchester 185 Silvertips. 1 spare mag of Remington 185 JHP's and a spare mag of KTW's (when they were legal) as a last resort.

I understand the Glaser in the chamber and the KTW in reserve, but I don't get the logic of the rest of the mix. I would not have thought Speer, Silvertip, and Remington hollowpoints enough different to bother. What would the Silvertips do for you that the Glaser and Speers had not? Or the Remingtons if you had to reload?

rcmodel
January 25, 2009, 05:53 PM
Good grief!
Why not just load one of every available load until the mag is full?

Then you would be assured you would have the best "Magic Bullet" for the job in there somewhere.

If you get them all to Feed, Fire, and Function Freely that is!

Hard to do 200 round reliability tests on all those different loads in the same gun at once!

rc

Marlin 45 carbine
January 25, 2009, 06:27 PM
those things do some damage for sure, I shot up a pack of wild/feral dogs that had been killing sheep some years back useing Win Silver Tips and man what an exit hole.
fooling around a couple years back I used a jewelers saw to cut an 'X' into lead round nose slugs down to the case neck and shot them into wet phone books. that's something to behold also.

RidgwayCO
January 25, 2009, 06:42 PM
Since Speer doesn't make the original "flying ashtray" bullet anymore, I nominate the 200gr .429" Gold Dot Hollow Point made for the .44 Special. The last time I pulled some of these rounds out of my range bag, my shooting buddy said "Now those're just nasty lookin'."

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