What would you carry if you were or are a cop?


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Doug.38PR
October 31, 2006, 06:06 PM
If police departments banned the use of semi auto pistols tomorrow, what kind of revolver would you carry? Old, new, used, what caliber, what model what brand, etc.

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ProguninTN
October 31, 2006, 06:09 PM
Ruger GP100 in .357 Mag.

WESTTX357
October 31, 2006, 06:16 PM
When i first started out i carried a 4" model 19 on duty and off duty and plain clothes i carried a model 66 with 2" barrel.

Edmond
October 31, 2006, 06:23 PM
Smith & Wesson 686. If I run out, it's a nice club.:D

Euclidean
October 31, 2006, 06:24 PM
S&W Model 28

Iggy
October 31, 2006, 06:48 PM
I carried a S&W Mdl 58 .41 magnum for 13 years, I guess I could do it again if I was invited!!;)

461
October 31, 2006, 07:00 PM
Ruger GP-100 4"

Sistema1927
October 31, 2006, 07:01 PM
.45 ACP is nice out of a revolver. I really like my S&W 22-4. Moon clips make for fast reloads.

Ala Dan
October 31, 2006, 07:04 PM
4" S&W model 19 "Combat Magnum" .357

redneckrepairs
October 31, 2006, 07:08 PM
I would get back out my S&W 686 4" round butt and its duty holster , carryed it for years and wouldnt hesitate to again .

MCgunner
October 31, 2006, 07:13 PM
A S&W M19 or M66 or if allowed, my Taurus M66. L frames and GP100s are awful heavy to carry a full shift. I'd want a K frame size and weight gun.

Ron James
October 31, 2006, 07:19 PM
I would carry what the department mandated me to carry and smile, and say , yes sir, yes sir, three bags full.

MartinBrody
October 31, 2006, 07:53 PM
S&W 686, 4 inch, 7 shot, 357 Mag

Eightball
October 31, 2006, 07:55 PM
My Smith 620. That 7th shot would make me feel mighty comfortable. That, and the fact that it balances perfectly; now, I just need to stop pulling the gun down in DA....

MCgunner
October 31, 2006, 08:09 PM
My Smith 620. That 7th shot would make me feel mighty comfortable.

If I'd fired six and missed, I wouldn't feel all that warm and fuzzy about having one last round to defend myself with. LOL :D

I'd definitely use Safariland Comp 2 speed loaders and have a back up in my pocket.

.357 magnum
October 31, 2006, 08:27 PM
Weighs 38oz, .357 mag, 7 shots-- well balanced accurate. I would petition to carry an auto loader. Then I would carry the new Taurus 24/7 OSS in a .45acp or .40 cal I have money down on one of these babies! I am ex-LE and this Taurus would have been it for me.

http://www.taurustactical.com/dsp_247oss.cfm

Have a good one gentlemen!

10-Ring
October 31, 2006, 08:33 PM
IF I went w/ a wheelgun for LE duty, I'd go w/ the S&W model 19.

Brad686
October 31, 2006, 08:44 PM
Just like the name, 4". Incidentally, some departments still let you use them, lot of times you get to pick from a list of firearms that are compatible with their particular standards. I think a 686 would be a fine choice.

jad0110
October 31, 2006, 09:36 PM
In order of personal preference:

1) S&W 686 or 620 4" (I admit I'm a little biased)
2) S&W 19/66 4"
3) Ruger GP100 or Security Six, 4"

+ a S&W 642 for BUG duty

That being said, I really like all of the above!

CSA 357
October 31, 2006, 09:59 PM
4 inch 66-1

Dan the Man
October 31, 2006, 10:01 PM
For patrol...

1. S&W 625 4" (.45 ACP w/full moon clips)
2. S&W 27 5" (.357 magnum)

For plainclothes...

1. S&W 586 3" (.357 magnum)...rare in 3"; excellent gun
2. S&W 19 2 1/2" (.357 magnum)

Regards
--Dan

Confederate
October 31, 2006, 10:17 PM
As much as I like revolvers, I'd take a high-cap Glock 9mm with 115-gr. Federal JHPs. I also wouldn't mind having a 7- or 8-shot .357 revolver with 125-gr. JHPs. Actually, I wouldn't say no to having both.

A lot has to do with where you are. I've oft thought that in that famous shootout on the highway where everyone missed at guntable ranges that had the good guys had revolvers it might have ended differently.

It's hard to keep your eye on the front sight when there's return fire.

Doug.38PR
October 31, 2006, 10:36 PM
My choice would be an old fashon Colt Official Police 4 inch OR if none available an old fashion S&W M-10 4 inch light barrel.

Ammunition. .38 Special+P LSWCHP.

Why? Plain jain weapon with no bulk, light, easy to handle with one hand but heavy enough to take recoil and proven service weapons loaded with proven manstoppers.

joneb
November 1, 2006, 12:28 AM
Colt Trooper .357 :)

Srigs
November 1, 2006, 12:32 AM
S&W Combat Magnum!

Powderman
November 1, 2006, 01:01 AM
Hm.

Model 625, with at least 6 moon clips for the belt, and some half-moon clips in my pockets, or:

my Pre-Model 27 .357, with some good speedloaders--at least 6 on the belt, and some other speed strips.

I could, however, be talked into a 4" Model 686, or a 4 inch Model 29 with .44 Special loads.

BusMaster007
November 1, 2006, 01:44 AM
Blued.
Full lug.
6" bbl.
Open sights.
(HOGUE grip; your choice of wood/rubber/fingergroove or not)

Tough gun.:evil:

LeonCarr
November 1, 2006, 02:29 AM
4 inch Stainless Ruger GP-100 .357

A 6 inch S&W Model 28 Highway Patrolman .357 would be a close second. I would probably keep one of those in the drivers side door pocket of the Crown Vic, just in case :).

For off duty carry and vest carry while uniformed, Ruger SP-101 DAO with concealed hammer.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Eightball
November 1, 2006, 03:05 AM
As much as I like revolvers, I'd take a high-cap Glock 9mm with 115-gr. Federal JHPs. I also wouldn't mind having a 7- or 8-shot .357 revolver with 125-gr. JHPs.I didn't know Glock made hi-cap revolvers , unless anyone remembers that thread from about a month ago? :rolleyes:

JR719
November 1, 2006, 03:09 AM
If semi auto's were out, I'd have to get the 'ol S&W 686 out of the safe. I shoot it better than my glock anyway.
Like posted before, when you run it dry, it makes a great smasher of brain holders.

bpisler
November 1, 2006, 06:32 AM
I would carry what all the other officers are
carrying,at lease the same caliber.

2ndamd
November 1, 2006, 07:05 AM
Of course.

madmattmd
November 1, 2006, 07:11 AM
For all 'round comfort and carry, I'll have to go along with the classic K frame 4 inch Model 19in .357 magnum.

L frame Smiths (586/686) are great guns too. And I dearly love my stainless steel DW 15-2 in .357 magnum (I use this in IDPA).

If we're eliminating the bulk/weight factor for pure joy, I'll have to go with a 4inch N frame Smith in either .41 or .44 magnum. As said in an earlier post, when all else fails, you can beat them with an N frame club. :D

then, of course, hhhhuuuuummmmmmm, Python!

Well, it sounds like I'd be lugging around four or five revolvers. :banghead:

Matt

Will5A1
November 1, 2006, 07:20 AM
S&W M64, 4", with 158 gr SWHP +P and Pachmyr grips.

hkenvy91
November 1, 2006, 07:28 AM
a 686/625/22/21/27/28

Seven High
November 1, 2006, 07:42 AM
I would get my S & W 681 out of storage and carry it again. It was a great revolver. Made a good sap also. :)

AlvinAmerica
November 1, 2006, 07:57 AM
Depending on mission and environment:

Ruger GP100 4"
Ruger GP100 3"
Ruger SP101 2"

Ammo:

.357 Silvertip 145gr.
38sp+P 158gr. LSWCHP

warwagon
November 1, 2006, 08:47 AM
Ok, If pre issue ammo(38+p125HP),then my mod 28 6", if after issue, mod 19 4".

Either way, the off duty gun was up to you, make mine a 66 2.5" 158grn hp! :D

Jamie C.
November 1, 2006, 08:58 AM
Model 625, with at least 6 moon clips for the belt, and some half-moon clips in my pockets, or:

my Pre-Model 27 .357, with some good speedloaders--at least 6 on the belt, and some other speed strips.

You're gonna walk funny, with all that on your duty belt, plus the usual load of crap that cops generally carry. Radio, handcuffs, pepper spray, flashlight carrier, possibly an ASP... some these days keep an extra 'cuff case with rubber gloves in it... And I'm sure I'm forgetting something. No matter how you look at it though, there's just not a lot of available "real estate" on the average duty belt.

And I'll pay good money to watch you try to get in or out of a patrol car in a hurry, while carrying that load. :evil:

For me, any well-made 4" barreled revolver in a reasonable caliber and a couple of speed loaders will do the trick.


J.C.

Striker
November 1, 2006, 09:03 AM
4'" 13/65 Smith, DAO, sights regulated to .357 125gr JHP.

Matthew Temkin
November 1, 2006, 09:26 AM
What..no S&W Model 10's with the 4 inch heavy barrel?
Loaded, of course, with 158 grain +p SWCHP.
As we used to say, six for sure.

OH25shooter
November 1, 2006, 09:42 AM
S&W 686 loaded with magnum rounds.

Rinspeed
November 1, 2006, 09:47 AM
686 4" or Model 28 4".

Just_a_dude_with_a_gun
November 1, 2006, 10:36 AM
One of the 4" S&W 8 round .357's model 327/627 :)

bigmike45
November 1, 2006, 10:59 AM
In order of preference:

Ruger Redhawk 4" barrel in 41mag.

Smith & Wesson Model 65-5, 3" barrel in .357mag

S&W620
November 1, 2006, 12:10 PM
The 620 of course!

SolaScriptura139
November 1, 2006, 12:51 PM
Smith and Wesson Model 500 Revolver - 4" :uhoh: :what: :scrutiny: :neener:

Seriously, though, either the GP-100 or the 686+

obiwan1
November 1, 2006, 12:52 PM
Smith 625 in uniform. 3" M65 or M66 off duty.

nero45acp
November 1, 2006, 01:31 PM
S&W 65-1 4"



nero

GEM
November 1, 2006, 01:36 PM
Twin LeMats in shoulder holsters with a Remington 2 barrel derringer as a Bug.

wishunter88
November 1, 2006, 01:38 PM
id bring along my 30'06

Brian Williams
November 1, 2006, 02:14 PM
One of these 2, S&W 13 3" or S&W 65 4" pencil barrel.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=40708&d=1149250353

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=40709&d=1149250368

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=40710&d=1149250392

Striker
November 1, 2006, 02:28 PM
Nice Brian.

Is that a 64 rather then a 65? Don't think I've ever seen a whip barrel 65.

Regardless, I like the way you have it set up with moonies and hogues.

W Turner
November 1, 2006, 05:30 PM
SW model 610 4" in 10mm loaded with Double Tap's 180 grain load or a 329 loaded with the excellent Speer 200gr. GDHP.

If I was required to carry a .357 (very likely in this situation) I would go with either a 4" Stainless Ruger GP 100 or a Hard Chromed SW Model 28.

W

Brian Williams
November 1, 2006, 05:39 PM
Is that a 64 rather then a 65? Don't think I've ever seen a whip barrel 65.
Nope, Twas a 3" 65 that I had a 4" 64 barrel fitted, it is a great gun and really fits my design for a woods gun. Basically my idea of a K frame Mt Gun.
While I do not have a lightweight J frame 357 this K really packs a wallop with Full tilt-n-boogie loads.

yongxingfreesty
November 1, 2006, 05:43 PM
sw model 586 l comp

Loyalist Dave
November 1, 2006, 07:31 PM
Carried a Ruger Speed 6 in 4", but then went to a GP100 in 4". If I could carry what I wanted, S&W in a .45 ACP or a .45 Colt, or even a .44 spl. Any of them would suit.

LD

Dienekes
November 2, 2006, 12:31 AM
I'd just break out Old Reliable--a 4" Security Six. It and a 4" Service Six served me well as duty guns for 14 years.

Only thing that I felt as comfortable with was a LW Colt Commander .45 that I carried prior to that.

And of course just about any K frame Smith is just fine, too.

Black Knight
November 2, 2006, 08:10 AM
Chalk up another for the 4 inch 686. I would load it with 125 Gr. SJHP if allowed to do so. I carried it many nights with 125 38 Spec. +P and felt comfortable doing so. Seems that most here prefer the 357 Mag.

SeanSw
November 2, 2006, 10:24 AM
Brian: Are you carrying SWC in those moonclips for social work? I can't tell if they're hollow points or not.

Brian Williams
November 2, 2006, 11:36 AM
Yes they are SWC, but not hollow points.

bearmgc
November 2, 2006, 02:25 PM
Ruger GP100 4in.

Jody Johnson
November 2, 2006, 07:50 PM
Carried a Smith M-10 for many years, commencing in '69. Varied a bit later...M-28, M-27, M-19...but mostly, a standard or HB 10, initially w/std .38's until the winchester "FBI" or "metro" load came out...AND, we could get our hands on it ( about 1974, I think ).

Last revolver I carried was a Smith .44 mountain gun, tho'..much lighter and more comfortable than it's heavy brother, which I retired.

Now, tho', we use slide guns, pretty much because we have to.

Jim PHL
November 3, 2006, 09:46 AM
I'm assuming you mean revolvers because of where this got started, in that case I'd be happy with just about any S+W K- or L-frame 6 or 7-shot .357. 7-shot stainless 619 or 620 with the lock removed sounds great.

(I must admit if I were on patrol alone in law enforcement I would probably prefer a high-cap auto; a double-stack 1911 .45 at the top of the list.)

ron8903
November 3, 2006, 10:02 AM
A 4" 629 S&W:cool:

Doug.38PR
November 3, 2006, 10:12 AM
Carried a Smith M-10 for many years, commencing in '69. Varied a bit later...M-28, M-27, M-19...but mostly, a standard or HB 10, initially w/std .38's until the winchester "FBI" or "metro" load came out...AND, we could get our hands on it ( about 1974, I think ).

Last revolver I carried was a Smith .44 mountain gun, tho'..much lighter and more comfortable than it's heavy brother, which I retired.

Now, tho', we use slide guns, pretty much because we have to.

Jody,
I thought Houston Police were grandfathering in the .40 S&W semi auto and that policemen who graduated prior to a certain year could still carry whatever they wanted (revolver or auto regardless of caliber)

Harris Co. Sheriff dept. can still carry whatever they want I understand

RustyShackelford
November 3, 2006, 01:41 PM
If DA revolvers were used I'd pack a Smith 329 .44magnum(w/.44spl loads) and I'd carry a 642/638 J-frame .38spl or Taurus Ti .38/.357 small frame as a back up/second gun.

Rusty ;)

Dr.Rob
November 3, 2006, 03:02 PM
If that happened to me I'd be looking for Python and carrying a 4 inch Ruger GP 100.

deputy tom
November 3, 2006, 07:36 PM
quote: S&W M64, 4", with 158 gr SWHP +P and Pachmyr grips.:end quote...

Hey me too! This is what I carried for my tenure.We were grandfathered for the last few years.Everyone else carried Glocks.LOL.tom.:neener:

DaveTN
November 3, 2006, 07:41 PM
I was a cop, and I carried all the S&Wís at one time or another. I would go with the 686.
I own 1911ís and even an M&P40; but my 686 still lays on the headboard protecting my family. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/TourGlide/Web%20Stuff/thumbsup.gif

McCall911
November 3, 2006, 07:53 PM
What would you carry if you were or are a cop?

A Bren Ten!

(Just kidding!)

Seriously, more than likely a S&W Model 19 (or Model 65) with 4" barrel.

Erik
November 3, 2006, 08:54 PM
Plain clothes : A 3" 13

Uniformed: M27, 3.5"

oldcop1971
November 4, 2006, 01:26 AM
I'd carry what I'm carring right now--SW 25-13 MG in 45lc on my belt and Charter 38 bug on my ankle.;)

BsChoy
November 4, 2006, 02:12 AM
The new S&W 8 shot tactical in 357...

Jody Johnson
November 5, 2006, 05:45 PM
Doug...

Houston is indeed using the .40 caliber. My agency is in the western suburbs and we have a bit more flexibility as to caliber but our agency consists largely of "old heads" ( mostly gray, like mine! ) who've spent time elsewhere. Most are gun-savvy, and like to shoot.

The Sheriff's Office is still flexible, always have been...even when I started my career there in the late 60's...to this day, a great group of people and agency!

Doug.38PR
November 6, 2006, 12:16 AM
My agency is in the western suburbs and we have a bit more flexibility as to caliber but our agency consists largely of "old heads" ( mostly gray, like mine! )

so that being hte case, why can't you still carry your M10? It's onl the younger guys that are required to right?

BTW, just how far west are you? I live on the west side myself

Curare
November 6, 2006, 09:14 AM
627 4"--8 rounds of .357MAG

Jody Johnson
November 6, 2006, 05:20 PM
Doug....

I probably could...tho' there would be nobody to get xtra rnds from if things went to poo!

I think, tho', if I were to go back to the "wheelgun", it'd be my 1966-vintage M15, if for no other reason than large sights work better for old(er) eyes.

If you're a "westsider" you're probably familiar with the Memorial area...we used to be known as the Village Police Department but, a few years ago, the name was changed to "Memorial Villages Police" along with the badge, car-scheme, patch, etc... Surrounded by Houston, we've about 15,000 or so residents.

There are two other departments...Hedwig, and Spring Valley...in the area also.

Doug.38PR
November 6, 2006, 05:47 PM
yep, I drive through Memorial Villiage all the time to go to church and my client's office. 50 years ago that area was probably in the middle of the "country"

SAG0282
November 6, 2006, 11:37 PM
If/when I become a cop and if I have the option, I'll likely carry a P226.

Jack2427
November 9, 2006, 02:46 AM
Still carry my S&W M64, pencil barrel. Has the rear notch enlarged(for my old eyes), had an action job in 71 with a combat smooth trigger and slightly wider hammer spur-both hard chromed carbon steel.
It is the best combo of carry weight and power I have found (for me at least). I use the Federal 158 GR SWHP +P loads in it.
Prior to that I carried the Python.

Colt46
November 9, 2006, 05:41 AM
High point of police service revolvers. I think it was the full power, hunting ammo that killed it off. With the pussycat 210 grain bullet at 950 fps it would be perfect for a defensive handgun. That, or maybe cops diodn't like the idea of lugging around an N-Frame all day long.

mjb
November 11, 2006, 12:42 PM
My Colt Anaconda 4 inch barrel loaded with .44 SPl.

Johnny Guest
November 11, 2006, 02:33 PM
Yeah, I could live with it. I carried revolvers my first five years as a peace officer. :p

If I could get away with carrying handloads, I'd pack either a new S&W Model 21 or a customized 1917. I'd use lead ~255 gr SWC bullets loaded to about 850 fps in Auto Rim cases, with some equivalent .45 ACP loads in clips for rapid reloads.

The handloads-on-duty scenario above is rather unlikely, so a more plausible solution would be an S&W M65 with 158 gr JHP .357s. In plainclothes, I'd probably choose a 3" Colt Cobra, or possibly my 3" M65.

Best
Johnny

TonyB
November 13, 2006, 12:30 PM
Seven High:your sap comment reminds me of a story that a buddy of mine who used to manage a gun shop told me...A plain clothes detective came in looking for a small revolver to carry.My buddy showed him a colt(dick spl.)The det. said"Well,I'm not sure If I could hit somebody with it."My buddy said"If you practice enough they can be very accurate."The cop said:"No ,I mean it doesn't have an underlug..so I can't hit somebody on the head with it,w/out bending the extractor.":p
Oh,and Id' carry a Security Six 4"......in 357,but loaded with 158gr 38+p's

Phlegyas
November 14, 2006, 10:41 PM
My all time favorite and still favorite regardless of the autos I have carried (mandatory) is the 686 with.357 125 grain of your choice of ammo. What a revolver :) . I carried that model while working with a sheriff's department in '95.

wildburp
November 16, 2006, 12:40 AM
I were a cop in the late '60s. At that time, revolvers were the only option at most agencies; I carried a S&W Highway Patrolman wheel gun, but the powers that be insisted on loading two .38's up front, the theory being that you would probably miss your first two shots. If I are a cop today, I would carry a .357 revolver as back up, and a .45 auto for comfort. There are many modern alteratives, but the basic kick-ass .357 magnum and .45 ACP are hard to beat for their respective abilities. I see too many accounts of multiple LEOs emptying high capacity magazines from modern automatics when one or two aimed rounds will do the job, if deadly force is mandated. Call me old fashioned, but I was taught to study the background (for humans) before firing, and to make the first round count. Multiple discharges from multiple semi-automatic weapons is a reckless use of deadly force. I read one account of officers whom had circled a vehicle opening fire, only to wound each other with "friendly fire".

Cops with guns can be dangerous if not properly trained or screened for intelligence minumums, such as - don't stand in a circle and fire at a vehicle in the center, and so on. Police use firearms too much today; in the old days, two or more cops would wade in and do police work by overpowering the fool. We did not shoot if taking a few bruises would do the job. Today, police don't want to risk getting the uniform dirty or breaking a finger nail.

Case in Point: I remember reading (15 years ago?) about a group of officers that were unable or unwilling to wrestle a suspect to the ground for apprehension. One of them shot the man in the ass, thinking that would stop him. It did. After penetrating the man's behind, the round somehow riccocheted from his hip bone up through his heart, killing him instantly. Well, duh! The marksman had obviously never heard about what can happen when a bullet meets a bone.

I won't cover the obvious lesson here about shooting to kill, because you should never shoot unless you mean to kill, so think first, and don't aim for their ass.

wildburp

pawncop
November 17, 2006, 03:52 PM
Would go back to a 586 or 686 in a heart beat. Carried a nickled 586 for about 6 years before we were mandated to the 38 Spl +P 158 LHP's. Did not care for them and switched to the 45 ACP. 125 grain Hydroshoks if you please.

Remmi
November 17, 2006, 03:54 PM
I'd be amused to see someone's reasoning for beat-carry of a Model 500.

Seriously. If someone can convince me to how that is at all practical or even plausable. I'll give them a medal.

ACP
November 17, 2006, 04:28 PM
Yet another vote for the 4" S&W 686. I have the six-shot version.

iowain45-70
November 17, 2006, 08:26 PM
i would carry a 45acp.

kahr404life
November 17, 2006, 09:15 PM
I would carry my S&W 686+ (7-shot) .357 mag as my duty gun and a S&W 642 .357 as my backup/off duty weapon. I started out using revolvers and it would not upset me to go back to them.

VA27
November 18, 2006, 01:03 AM
Up until 4 years ago, my agency issued the 681. You could carry that or anything else you could qualify with. They finally got around to issuing 40cal Glocks and now that's all we can carry. Before the change I was carrying a 625 Mountain Gun in 45 Colt. I'd go back in a heartbeat! Either that or a 686 Mountain Gun.

Jackal
November 18, 2006, 01:18 AM
:neener: I would carry an M16.

Troutman
November 18, 2006, 11:26 AM
I agree with wildburp. A 357 revolver or a 45 automatic should be the min.
I have seen videos from other departments, where an officer was shooting at a vehicles windshield with a 9mm and the rounds bounced off of it. This was at close range. Where the officer was at the time on the top of the vehicles hood. No good for an on-duty, dept. issue firearm in my book.
And in todayís world unlike wildburp 60's society. You have Organized Crime groups like "M.M." and "A.S." Today, youíre not dealing with the conventional Organized Crime groups from that era. Today's O.C.....Their insane, crazy... "Attitude". Putting in the mix of controlled substance use, plus fire power they have...... Beyond what today's law enforcement has to work with to deal with this. Law enforcement agencies need all the help they can get. I have come across an M.M. wearing a bullet-proof vest. Unfortunate for this M.M. a round entered his throat. Unfortunate for them their is a magnum out their that will take care of O.C. members that take to this kind of protection. Taking the latter, placement is more important than the number of rounds. Taught me. Use the most power you can handle and keep training with it.

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