YES I KNOW ABOUT THE NFA RULES. I ALREADY OWN A .223 SUPPRESSOR, AND NOW I AM THINKING ABOUT BUILDING A SBS, LEGALLY.
Anyone out there know of anybody that sells 12.5" or 14" barels for a Remington 870. I thought about cutting one down, but I kinda wanted to have at least a little bit of a choke when I am done. Thanks!
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November 2, 2006, 11:44 AM
Well, your best bet would be to have a gunsmith that deals with NFA items cut a barrel to 12.5" or 14" and have threaded chokes installed. Either that or just don't have choke in the barrel.
November 2, 2006, 11:47 AM
I doubt you will find any 12.5" or 14" factory Express barrels. You might be able to find factory Police barrels in those lengths.
I ended up sending my 18" Express barrel to Wilson Combat (http://www.wilsoncombat.com).
November 2, 2006, 11:56 AM
I thought about having a gunsmith cut it and install choke tubes, but I didn't say that at first because I figured someone would would look at me like:scrutiny: .
I had a Moss. 500 vent rib someone cut downto 18" and put screw in chokes in it, and I loved it.
Now I have one of those super-loooong 870's with a 20" barrel just sitting around begging to be a 14" SBS.
I don't really care if it is a Remington factory barrel or not.
November 2, 2006, 12:08 PM
I thought about having my barrel threaded for choke tubes, but I already had way too much money invested in it already. :D
November 2, 2006, 12:33 PM
CDNN was selling off a bunch of them with fixed Mod chokes a while back, some for around $100, some may still be floating around in the marketplace at higher prices. Check and see if you can get one direct from Remington, the worst they can tell you is "No."
November 2, 2006, 07:33 PM
I saw a half dozen extra-short rifle-sighted barrels at the last gun show, so they're out there somewhere.
November 2, 2006, 08:11 PM
Anyone out there know of anybody that sells 12.5" or 14" barels for a Remington 870.
Remington has two different 14" bbls listed in their catalog. PN 242551 has Trijicon bead sight, PN 201671 has a front sight designed to be used with a rear ghost ring sight.
Contact Remington Parts at their 800-number for more info.
November 2, 2006, 08:34 PM
Thanks for the numbers on the Remington barrels. I'll have to call them up about it.
November 3, 2006, 02:25 PM
I have a Remington factory 14" barrel for my personal AOW.
I also have 8, 12" barrels that I cut down from 18" barrels, but they don't have chokes installed. Pretty soon, they will be getting mounted into some AOW's that I'm building to sell. (Well, 6 of them are going to be sold. 1 bbl is going on my personal AOW, so that the 14" can go onto the 870P I'm registering as an SBS, and another 12" bbl is going onto an AOW I'm building for one of my employees / friend.)
The AOW's are going to be built on 870 Express Magnum recievers that came from Remington with a pistol grip, instead of a full-stock. I'll be selling the AOW's for about $450 once they are all said and done. The bbls aren't actually 12" though, they are actually 11 7/8" long, making the AOW's about 22-23" overall length. They are very compact!
November 4, 2006, 08:36 PM
I feel very foolish asking this, but I thought shotgun barrels couldn't be shorter than 18". Am I wrong or is that only in Mass?
November 4, 2006, 08:49 PM
What is an AOW? If I had a 12" 870 I'd have to have either a Poly Choke or a Cutts Compensater, and a bayonet lug!
November 4, 2006, 09:15 PM
I feel very foolish asking this, but I thought shotgun barrels couldn't be shorter than 18".
Title I (non-NFA) shotguns need (at least) 18" barrels. Title II (NFA) shotguns can have barrels less than 18".
Am I wrong or is that only in Mass?
Some states allow them, others don't. Scroll down to "STATE NFA RESTRICTIONS" in the NFA FAQ (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/nfa_faq.txt).
November 4, 2006, 09:24 PM
What is an AOW?
The term “any other weapon” means any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition.
26 USC 5845(e)
Here is an example of an AOW:
November 4, 2006, 10:58 PM
I have a factory 14" barrel with rifle sights. I ordered it from
unless you are wanting rifle sights, it is cheaper to cut one down. You can get a 18" barrel from Remington for less than $100. Cut it yourself, or have your smith do it. As long as you have the proper paperwork it shouldn't be a problem. A factory 14" barrel with rifle sights will run about $200. You also may have to send a copy of your NFA paperwork to the class 3 dealer.
I cut my 18" barrel down to 13" and installed an Ithaca MP bead. I also cut one down to 7" and installed an Ithaca MP bead for the shorty I built.
November 9, 2006, 08:42 AM
Longer barrel gives you more velocity, and higher magazine capacity. I think with barrels those short you could get only two or three shells in the tube.
November 9, 2006, 12:13 PM
With a 12.5" barrel you can have 4+1 capacity. With a 14" barrel you can have 5+1 capacity. With an 18" barrel you can have 6+1 capacity.
November 9, 2006, 01:45 PM
wdlsguy, the pic of the shorty shotgun you posted is considered an AOW? I saw a guy at the last gun show with those exact shotguns and just kept walking, figuring the $200 tax would apply. If that's an AOW, it'd only have a $5 tax, correct??
November 9, 2006, 01:46 PM
Look around at older style gunshops that have the requisite barrel of barrels in the corner, plain full choke 30" 870 barrels rarely bring more then 40-50 bucks. fixed 30'' inch vent ribs bring a tad more, I have used VR barrels for my last 4 tac shotguns i have made, added a big glow bug or Ivory front bead, and they work fine.
November 9, 2006, 01:56 PM
the pic of the shorty shotgun you posted is considered an AOW?
Yes. It's a Serbu Super Shorty (http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php).
If that's an AOW, it'd only have a $5 tax, correct??
If you're buying one, it's $5. If you're making one, it's $200.
November 10, 2006, 10:33 PM
I have actually seen 14" 870 barrels advertised on E-Bay! I think they went for a reasonable price. Most people were probably scared of them.
Perfectly legal to sell such a barrel on E-Bay, but it still seemed strange to me.:what:
The Deer Hunter
November 10, 2006, 10:46 PM
Whats the point of the super shorty?
still cool though
November 10, 2006, 10:57 PM
yea I have bid on a couple on e-bay. I got out bid on them.
What is the point of a super shorty? FUN!!! what else? Fun needs no point. Like high end sportscars, just toys.