Small frame 9mm autos?


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DRMMR02
November 4, 2006, 01:28 AM
Does anyone know some good smaller framed 9mm autos? But when I mean small frame, I don't mean compacts with a stubby grip. I mean something like the Walther P22. It has the look and feel of a full size auto, it's just smaller, and in .22lr. Well I'm looking for something similar, just in 9mm. And also, preferably something that doesn't look like a Walther PPK.

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joneb
November 4, 2006, 01:32 AM
Check out Kahr or kel-tec

gaven
November 4, 2006, 01:46 AM
GLOCK 19

real_name
November 4, 2006, 01:47 AM
Sig P239.
Pretty much the same dimensions as the P232, which is pretty much the same size as the PPK.

DRMMR02
November 4, 2006, 01:55 AM
Oh yeah, no Glocks :)

I do like the Kahr K series, but they're all DAO :(

The Lone Haranguer
November 4, 2006, 03:18 AM
Smith & Wesson 3913 and similar
SIG P239

possum
November 4, 2006, 04:45 AM
check out the kahr line up they are awesome, little guns, they cost a little bit more than the other brands, but they are reliable beyond belief and they shoot great. check out the k9 elite series they are really nice looking and nice shooters.

Pilot
November 4, 2006, 05:46 AM
HK P7M8 or PSP. The original compact 9MM.

JDGray
November 4, 2006, 10:11 AM
CZ PCR:)

Mercury
November 4, 2006, 10:25 AM
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-pstl-1911-emp.shtml
Reduced grip-geometry 1911.

Heavy Metal Hero
November 4, 2006, 10:27 AM
3" Springfield XD

real_name
November 4, 2006, 11:43 AM
But when I mean small frame, I don't mean compacts with a stubby grip. I mean something like the Walther P22.

I don't know why I didn't think of this earlier, but the Walther P99 Compact is very similar dimensions as the P22, but in 9mm or .40

http://www.gundirectory.com/guns/20200-1.jpg

http://www.waltheramerica.com/images/firearms/P99_AS_sm.jpg

P99 full size pictured for comparison.

vince24L
November 4, 2006, 12:13 PM
p99 compact slightly bigger than the p22 slightly smaller than the fullsize p99

TonyT
November 4, 2006, 12:25 PM
Kahr makes a line of compact, reliable and slim 9mm's.

wrc
November 4, 2006, 09:08 PM
Like everyone above, the CZ 75 PCR/P-01/Compact, Sig 239, or Glock 19.

I've had a 239 and P-01. I still have the P-01. I've shot the G19, and it feels exactly like the Glock 17 in my hands, there's plenty of room on the grip.

StressPuppy
November 4, 2006, 09:47 PM
I have a Glock 19 that I love. It goes bang every time no matter what. BUT, for me it is not easy to conceal. I don't do IWB and it is a little big for ankle or pocket.

I recently bought a Kahr PM9. It is a pretty good gun. I was skeptical at first but after putting 200 rounds through it on my first trip to the range with no problems/jams/etc, I have changed my mind. A very nice gun and it will be my carry piece.

As for not too stubby, the grip on the PM9 is short and you can only get two fingers on it. Pearce makes some grip extenders that help but don't make the gun that much bigger. Or you could look at some of the other slightly bigger Kahrs. I think it is the thickness (or lack there of) that makes the Kahrs so attractive. Close to a 1/4 inch thinner than a Glock.

CornCod
November 4, 2006, 10:05 PM
Beretta 9000S is a good gun and a good value as well.

Black Majik
November 4, 2006, 10:18 PM
SIG P225
SIG P239
Kahr P9
XD Subcompact
CZ Rami

sig228
November 4, 2006, 10:24 PM
Smith CS9. Hard to find. If you locate one, grab it. You wont be disappointed. TDA (DA / SA)

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=12755&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y

DRMMR02
November 7, 2006, 07:01 AM
The Walther P22 has the perfect dimensions for CCW IMO. It's only 6 inches long total, 4.5 inches tall, and .9 inches wide. But it still looks like a full size gun, just shrunk. Guns like the XD subcompact, and even the Walther P99Compact look kinda goofy to me. The grip is really short and stubby and the frame looks over-sized. I know, I know, looks aren't really at the top of the list when you're picking a tool to defend your life. But if I can, I would like to find a pistol that is the same proportions as a full size, just smaller. The closest I can see so far is the Kahr P9. But that is DAO. The Taurus Millennium Pro looks pretty sweet. It's 6 1/8 inches long, 5.125 inches high, and 1.125 inches wide. And it's DA/SA.

A Walther P22, but in a real PD caliber, with a steel slide, would be beyond amazing.

denfoote
November 7, 2006, 04:56 PM
Oh yeah, no Glocks

You have dismissed, out of hand, the best sub compact 9mm auto out there: Glock 26!!! :scrutiny: :what:

These guns have been on the market long enough for there to have been reported all kinds of data concerning reliability, ease of carry, accuracy, and safety.

I note that, as far as I know, there have been ZERO reports of KBs with this gun if that is your concern. ;)

Reliability is as close to 100% as a man made mechanical device can get!!!
Accuracy is far better than is required for self defense work.
Not to mention that there are all kinds of goodies, both mundane and exotic, to personalize your toy!! Every holster maker and his dog makes Kydex or leather to fit this gun!!

I trust the G26 to protect my loving wife. I can give no higher recommendation!!! :cool:
Oh yeah, I carry it as well!! :D

Desk Jockey
November 7, 2006, 05:41 PM
As for not too stubby, the grip on the PM9 is short and you can only get two fingers on it. Pearce makes some grip extenders that help but don't make the gun that much bigger.

StressPuppy, did your PM9 come with one of the extended magazines? They ship new with one of each - short and extended. The extended mag gives one extra round and a longer grip.

I just bought an MK9 on Saturday and haven't been able to shoot it yet. I'm sensing that a long lunch hour will be needed tomorrow.

Anna's Dad
November 7, 2006, 05:42 PM
Kahr PM9, MK9, K9, P9 - www.kahr.com
Kel-Tec P-11, PF-9 (I'd wait a little while on the PF-9) - www.kel-tec.com
Skyy CPX-1 - www.skyyindustries.com

JN01
November 7, 2006, 08:12 PM
Star BM

ugaarguy
November 7, 2006, 08:17 PM
Take a look at the LS9 from STI. www.stiguns.com

StressPuppy
November 7, 2006, 08:19 PM
Yes, it did come with the extended mag. I have shot with it but to be honest, I don't like the way it looks or carries. I got the PM9 because of the short grip. I was more accurate with the longer grip, but not to the degree that it would make me carry with the extended mag. However, Pearce Grips makes a small extension for the mag that looks like it would help a lot and not add much to the butt of the gun. JMO YMMV

Glockamolie
November 7, 2006, 09:21 PM
I love my Kahr CW9. I paid $389.00 for it. It carries like a compact, but shoots more like an intermediate to full size.

TC-TX
November 7, 2006, 10:18 PM
Springfield EMP - Awesome 9mm!!! Smaller Frame!!!

1911 guy
November 8, 2006, 11:20 AM
Sig P230

das028
November 8, 2006, 11:30 AM
I would'nt consider a Glock 19 to be a small frame auto. They are medium frame auto. The Glock 26 is more of a small frame 9mm.

PX15
November 8, 2006, 12:02 PM
Walther P99c/AS*


*The Glock 26 on steriods that "denfoote's" lovely bride really wanted.. :D


Down boy!

Just kiddin' :)

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

Or?
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_6392_01.jpg

fineredmist
November 8, 2006, 12:22 PM
Kahr P9 (it is just a bit larger thtan the PM series)is the way to go, small, light weight and easy to conceal. The trigger is DAO and requires a bit of practice to get used to. I have shot my for several years and the only problems were ammo related. The gun is reliable.

Steve 48
November 8, 2006, 12:24 PM
I love my 3913 and its easy to conceal and carry. I have looked at others but still come back to the old reliable 3913. Steve 48

Lonestar
November 8, 2006, 03:43 PM
Glock 26...but no Glocks...well look at the following

all the Kahr 9mm

Kel-tec PF-9 and P11

Taurus PT111

Springfield XD Sub Compacts

diyj98
November 8, 2006, 03:47 PM
I've owned a few Kahrs, but just couldn't get happy with them. The Sig 239 I've owned were great guns. The Taurus PT111 might be the ticket.

Desk Jockey
November 8, 2006, 06:35 PM
I just got back from breaking in my spankin'-new Kahr MK9. Ran just shy of 250 rounds of Blazer and UMC 115-grain ammo without a single hiccup. Ran 2 magazines (12 shots total) of Remington Golden Saber 124-gr +P after that. The very last round stovepiped. It was past time for me to get back to the office, so I had to end on that note.

I'm guessing that it would like to be cleaned now, and then it will run another 200 without a hitch. We shall see...

I sure do like this little gun so far!!

jdmb03
November 8, 2006, 07:59 PM
Browning BDM is full size but it carries like a compact. It's very thin and holds 15 rounds.

modifiedbrowning
November 8, 2006, 08:37 PM
Bersa Thunder 9 Ultracompact.
www.bersafirearmsusa.com

texagun
November 8, 2006, 09:38 PM
Check out the Kahr PM9 as others have suggested. It's a great little 9mm carry gun that fits right in your pocket. There's a great writeup on it in the current issue of Handguns Magazine. Here's a photo of mine:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/w5lx/PM9RightSide.jpg

Slinger
November 8, 2006, 09:40 PM
I like my S&W 908. Very similar to the much loved 3913. Comes in both blue and stainless finishes. Slim, easy to conceal, and unfailing performance (at least for me).

Srigs
November 8, 2006, 11:24 PM
A Kel-tec P11 is an ideal small frame 9mm. :)

10-Ring
November 8, 2006, 11:41 PM
In that size class, the Kahr PM & KM 9s come to mind ;)

Coyote3855
November 9, 2006, 12:16 PM
If you are really set on a single action, I have a couple of Star BM's in 9mm that have functioned perfectly, can be carried cocked and locked, have decent triggers and the sights aren't bad. They aren't exactly a compact. Grip length is about the same as a 1911, with a 4 " barrel. I don't remember exactly what I paid for mine. One was 98%,the other showed serious holster wear (they were issue guns for Spain's Civil Guard). Seems like the worn one was under $250.

That said, my everyday carry gun is a Kahr P9 IWB with a Keltec 3AT in a pocket holster. In the badlands, it's a a Glock 23 with two extra mags.

bb21
November 9, 2006, 04:30 PM
Taurus PT-111, the best part about the Mil Pro is that you can get all fingers around the grip, much easier than the glock or the XD sc. Some say to stay away from Taurus, but do a search on the PT-145 and you will get a bunch of good feedback on all the Mil Pro's. The Karh CW9 or CW40 looks like a good deal. Good luck!

DRMMR02
November 9, 2006, 05:28 PM
I do like the Khar, but I much prefer DA/SA for consistency between carry weapons, and because I feel much safer with a manual safety. That Mil Pro in DA/SA looks like a great choice for a small concealable pistol that still packs a punch. I'll have to head to a store to check one out in person. And it's less than $300, so if it ends up sitting in some police evidence lockup for a year, no big deal. I would hate to use an expensive SIG in an altercation with a BG and end up losing it for a long time(maybe permanently).

How does the Taurus Mil Pro stack up quality wise? $280ish seems like quite a steal.

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