Thinking 9mm


November 6, 2006, 01:40 AM
Does anyone here have a 9mm carbine, that can share their experience with me? Are there any companies that still make one? Is a 9mm carbine accurate and practical for small game and defense? Thank you for any information you can share with me.:)

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November 6, 2006, 11:13 AM
The latest Shotgun News has an article on a new 9mm semi carbine.
There may be others in the ads too. Southern Ohio Gun has been selling a semi carbine for a while. It looks like the Smith 76.

There are uppers for the AR available from companies like Bushmaster and Olympic too.

My experience has mostly been with 9mm subguns. I haven't fired a semi 9mm carbine. If I was going to get a pistol caliber upper for my AR I'd be more likely to buy one in .45 ACP.

November 6, 2006, 11:30 AM
I HIGHLY recommend the Kel-Tec Sub-2000 if you want a 9mm carbine of any sort.

One, it folds down to 16", so it's a perfect stowable backpack long gun for hiking or SHTF. Two, it's well-made, three, it's fun and comfortable to use, and four, it's accurate as all hell. The first time I tried it, I just kept putting holes in the same tiny itty-bitty little group, and grinned.

If you're going to get a pistol carbine, I can't see why you'd NOT want one that folds up like that.

If you're talking about an AR-platform carbine, though, no idea. :)

November 6, 2006, 11:30 AM
I have had a RRA 9mm AR15 for about a year with 700 rds. through it. Aside from a bad Uzi mag (I now use Promags), it is a hoot to shoot. I topped it with a red dot sight, and shoot it at my local indoor range (no rifle calibers there). Highly recommended.

November 6, 2006, 11:33 AM
but I have heard good things about the Beretta storm. The only complaint that I have heard is the price.

November 6, 2006, 11:59 AM
I have a marlin camp 9, it's about as loud as a 22mag, fun to shoot and accurate. But, because of it's limited range, it stays home most of the time.

El Tejon
November 6, 2006, 12:02 PM
If anyone with a RRA 9mm carbine could please chime in here as well:

Especially your experience in letting kids shoot it.

November 6, 2006, 12:05 PM
I have one in 9mm and really like it. Very compact, accurate, enjoyable to shoot. Trigger could use a little lightening. I'm sending it out for a trigger job soon.

AJ Dual
November 6, 2006, 12:12 PM
A big plus 1 on the Kel-Tec folding carbine.

I have the older version the Sub9, but in the major details it's essentialy the same thing as the 2000. Very reliable, very accurate. Lots of fun to shoot.

I do ascribe somewhat to the "If you need a rifle, get a rifle, if you need a handgun, get a handgun" line of thinking, and that without F/A capability, to put a controlled multi-shot burst on a target, a pistol caliber carbine loses a lot of it's utility.

However, IMO, the Sub2000 with it's unique folding action does do something handguns and rifles cannot. You get the advantages of a sholder fired weapon and long sight radius in an extremely compact format without running afoul of the NFA. (Because of this, I think it also fulfills the "poor man's not-quite an NFA toy" category well.)

Mine's still a "toy" and a very fun plinker, but it does do something that many larger "rifle caliber" rifles cannot, so I think it has the edge when it comes to the 9mm carbine breed.

Mr White
November 6, 2006, 01:01 PM
Since the topic came up, I'll put in a good word for the Hi-Point carbines.

I have one and its a good gun for the price. It ain't pretty but the ghost ring sights are good, it hits what you aim it at and it goes bang just about every time you pull the trigger.

The trigger isn't the best and I'd be lying if I said it hasn't had a few FTFs. But then, any gun will FTF from time to time and it isn't a common occurence and certainly by no means regular enough to give me 2nd thoughts about using it for HD. The gun and 3 10rd mags for under $200 is hard to beat.

If you're looking for a good gun with nice fit and finish and a name that'll impress your friends, the Beretta Storm is your gun, but for a good, cheap, reliable and reasonably accurate gun for plinking or HD, I'd recommend a Hi-Point to anyone.

November 6, 2006, 01:12 PM
I think if I bought a pistol caliber carbine other than my .357 lever gun or other magnum handgun caliber, talking auto caliber, it'd be a Hi Point. The reason is I'd really have no use for such a weapon. Small game? I ain't got no shortage of .22s in my safe. I don't need it for self defense, have pistols for that. The high point would just be a fun gun.

9mm ammo has gone up a little. At the current price, near 9 bucks at wallyworld, I've broken out the old Dillon Square Deal again and started crankin' out my own. .22 are cheaper and more accurate in better rifles for small game. Don't need no 9mm for that, but that's just me.

The Kel Tec sounds like an interesting gun. I like how it folds down for transport, not sure if it'd fit in my bike's saddle bags, but looks like it could. I think I'd want the .223 version, though. I don't have anything in .223 currently, or any .22 centerfire. That's a hole I've never filled because I really don't have a hunting use for a centerfire .22, but it'd be cool to have one just because, kinda like the 9mm carbine. :D

I've fired a Cobray select fire sub gun. Heck of a squirrel gun, that one, ROFLMAO! However, I bet that Kel Tec is pretty accurate. That'd be the one you should take a serious look at. Don't know, might find a used Marlin camp carbine around for cheap.

November 6, 2006, 02:36 PM
I have a Marlin Camp Carbine and Hi-Point. I enjoy shooting both, the Hi-Point is a little more fun. Only downside of the Hi-Point is magazine capicity. Hopefully I will have another 9mm carbine. I am going shopping for a Kel Tec Sub 2000 this weekend.

November 6, 2006, 03:03 PM
I think I'm one of the few who has the Ruger PC9. It's more expensive than the Keltec or HiPoint, less expensive than the Beretta, and [dons flame retardant suit] probably sturdier than all three. It's also heavier and most people complain about it for that reason, saying a 9mm carbine should be lightweight. In my opinion, a 9mm carbine should always have the select fire option :D , but that's an argument for another day.

The PC9 comes with regular irons or ghost ring sights, and has a Ruger scope ring mount. I have a Weigand mount that adds a Weaver rail, and a Millet red dot on that. The combination will produce very acceptable groups out to 50 yards.

It will eat the nastiest ammo I can find (Brown Bear lacquered, absolutely filthy) without a hiccup. 30 round magazines are available for it, but I've been happy with the Mecgar 17 and 20 rounders.

The trigger is heavier than some of my other rifles, but not so much that I consider it unpleasant or distracting.

Not for everybody, but works for me.


November 6, 2006, 03:09 PM
What do people think of the Uzi rifles?

November 6, 2006, 03:24 PM
My Hi-Point has the ATI stock (very sexy) and a cheap reflex sight. I have maybe $250.00 into it, and it's the most fun gun I've owned in years. WWB ammo is $13.00/100 at Wally World. It's sighted in at 60 yards right now, and shoots about 2" groups, though I haven't tried much of a variety of ammo. It's quieter than any .22 rifle I've ever had, and I wanna try it on 100 yard and under coyotes.

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