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redneck2
May 19, 2003, 07:34 PM
we got some odds and ends stuff in our shop

one rifle cartridge was a squatty little military round. Bullet is .318. Kinda looks like a 7.62x39 but shorter and obviously the bullet is bigger. Slightly shorter than 2" OAL. Headstamp has 30 and 44 and 3 letters we can't make out

looks like a machine gun or assault rifle round.

Any ideas??? I just moved and my "Cartridges of the World" is buried somewhere.

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Fed168
May 19, 2003, 07:44 PM
Sounds like a 7.92 kurz?

Ian
May 19, 2003, 07:45 PM
7.92x33 Kurz (the early German assault rifle round for the Stg 44), perhaps? It has a .318" bullet, .460 casehead, and 1.299" case length.

Jim K
May 19, 2003, 07:48 PM
It sounds like the 7.9 Kurz (Short) cartridge for the German MP.43/StG.44, the original "Sturmgewehr" or "assault rifle". It had several other names: the 7.9 Infanterie Kurz Patrone, the Maschinenkarabine Patrone S, the Pistolen Patrone 43 m.E., the Kurz Patrone 43 m.E., and the 7.9x33.

Specifications are:
Bullet length 25.80 mm (1.016")
Bullet weight 8,19 g (126.39 gr)
Bullet diameter 8.20 mm (.323")
Case lenght 33.00 mm (1.299")
Cartridge length 47.60 mm (1.874")
Bullet velocity 690 m/sec (2264 fps)

Jim

Badger Arms
May 19, 2003, 09:51 PM
Concur with what everybody else said.

Mike Irwin
May 19, 2003, 10:01 PM
Odds are heavily favoring the 7.92x33 as noted above.

The letters could be any of a dozen or more makers.

If you can get the letters to the point where you can read them, one of us should be able to identify the plant where it was made.

hksw
May 19, 2003, 11:25 PM
Regular convention for most WWII German ammo headstamp was two digit lot number (30), two digit year (44), two or thre lower case letter for location of manufacture (including from occupied countries), and maybe a star burst.

redneck2
May 20, 2003, 08:13 AM
besides the 30 and 44, the letters are probably AUS (Austria?) and now the star burst makes sense

and here, we thought the "short and fat" craze was the hottest, latest, and greatest

Cute little thing. Nice and compact. If I wuz gonna be slogging thru the mud carrying a rifle and equipment, a bunch of these would be a lot easier than 30-06 or 8 MM's.

Thanks guys.

Mike Irwin
May 20, 2003, 12:58 PM
No, not Austria.

That's a 3-letter code for the plant that produced the ammo.

Nazi Germany used 2 and 3 letter codes to "hide" the production facility that made the particular item.

If no one else gets it, I'll look it up this evening for you.

If I remember correctly, the * or starburst signifies a steel case.

hksw
May 20, 2003, 07:57 PM
Can't find anything for 'aus'. (Location letters usually lower case.) Do have 'aux' but no location identified and 'auu' for Czechoslovakia.

Also, 'St' and 'St+' for steel case and 'a*' and 'S*' for brass case.

SDC
May 20, 2003, 08:34 PM
"aux", "auy", and "auz" were identifiers for three Poltewerke factories (Madgeberg, Germany); might it have been one of these? I've got some "aux" 8mm Kurz rounds in my collection, and I think they were one of the more common producers. HTH

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