OKC gun show- the last straw


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bubbaturbo
January 5, 2003, 02:27 PM
It seems like gun shows are anything but these days what with all the beef jerky, jewelry, hot wheels cars and black "tactical" holsters for sale and I have all but quit going to them. Yesterday however I had nothing to do and decided to go to the Oklahoma City show. Admission was $10 and I left without entering. Last time I went it was $7. I guess the outrageous admission price was because I would have had the "privilege" of hearing Bo Greitz (sp?) talk. They have priced themselves out of business as far as I am concerned. Usually the only thing priced decently was bulk ammo but you have to buy a lot to make up for a $10 admission. Just ranting I guess.

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Redlg155
January 5, 2003, 02:53 PM
I would have had the "privilege" of hearing Bo Greitz (sp?) talk.

You mean he's still making the rounds at the gunshows?

I saw him at the Tulsa Gunshow back in 1999. Didn't hear him talk, just watched him at the book signing for a sec and then went on to more important endeavors.

There were only a could of gunshows that I would go to when I lived near Tulsa. The rest were pretty small in comparison and full of beef jerky and doll peddlers. Ohh..and dont' forget the rubber band guns.

I'm going to the Pensacola Show this weekend. Hopefully it will be a bit better than the last ones.

Good SHooting
RED

2nd Amendment
January 5, 2003, 02:53 PM
It's a shame what appears to have happened to the gun show. The most recent one here was $5 admittance and half the tables didn't show. Almost no pre-ban or military rifles, no "unusual" pistols(one USP in the whole place), 1k+ asking prices on what few AR's were there...

Thing is this seems to defy logic. Shouldn't this be an excellent time for gun shows to be in their glory? As some things get tougher to find it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out those of us looking for those things are going to head for the biggest groups of owners and dealers we can find. With gun rights improving overall and more shooters coming along you'd think the potential customer count would be better than ever.

Maybe I should organize an event and sell only to firearms sellers, require a certain minimum amount of stock or type...pah, too much effort. When's the next Indy 1500? At least I can go and be disgusted amongst friends. :D

4v50 Gary
January 5, 2003, 03:15 PM
Gun shows use to be fun. Very few displays today and too much fun stuff is banned. Cost of ticket is one thing and parking is separate too. What do I get to see? T-shirts, jewelry, coins, nazi-stuff (some of it repro for the Neo-nazis). Bought some out-of-print books and knives at the last one, but all the good gun stuff, when it's not what it use to be. :(

Triad
January 5, 2003, 03:19 PM
The way I lokk at it, there's one enormous gun show going on all the time. The internet. You don't get to fondle, but the selection is great.

Tamara
January 5, 2003, 03:24 PM
This past weekend's gun show was the best I've been to in some time. One beef jerky table and one table with various sweet-type snacks, and everything else was guns, gun parts & accessories, militaria or western antiques. Great show. Scored some Russkie NVGs, a friggin' beautifully restored Kraggy-Jorgy Model 1896 Carbine, a Martini-Henry rifle, and a Model 31-1 Smith.

I feel temporarily sated. ;)

Triad
January 5, 2003, 03:31 PM
Temporarily? You think it's possible to be permanently sated?;)

motorep
January 5, 2003, 04:14 PM
I went to the one in Denver yesterday, hoping if nothing else, to run into friends that I haven't seen for a while. Same deal- overpriced AR's, way overpriced AR mags, lots of tables full of the kinds of junk knives you can buy on the Home Shopping channel, Beanie Babies, beef jerky, camo clothing, etc. The most interesting part was going in- I stopped at the "all firearms must be inspected" table, handed the guy my unloaded Commander. He says "are your magazines unloaded?", I say "no", he says "ok", zip ties the Commander, puts the little blue inspection dot on it and hands it back to me. I walk in thinking "???"

perry
January 5, 2003, 04:31 PM
Bubba you did'nt miss anything.I went looking to find some 9x18 and did'nt find anything cheaper then 7 bucks abox and i can order it for 5 bucks abox,so i let them keep it.The 10 $ fee was probably because they were letting vets in for free.I would have left also if i would have had to pay.Bo Gritz's belly has had far to many cheeseburgers and his medal collection has grown so big that it covers his whole shirt.For a sooner gun show,it was the worst i've seen,so take my word for it,you saved 10$ and missed Bo's big belly.:D

wardmclark
January 5, 2003, 08:40 PM
Motorep, I was at that same show. Both Crossroads and Tanner seem to be in love with the damned Beanie Baby and beef jerky vendors. And since we have to have NICS checks now for any transaction, you can't even find a good deal from a guy walking up and down the aisles any more. There's not a fifth as many people walking around to make deals as there was a few years ago.

Good news was I was able to unload a P.O.S. Turk 98 I've had collecting dust in my rack for a few years.

Okiecruffler
January 5, 2003, 09:10 PM
I had given up on all the OKC gunshows, even Claude Hall's has become a scam, but I went to a show in Ft. Worth right after moving down here and I was blown away. Walked out with 600rds of 7.62X39 for $50. But I made the mistake of passing up an M91 already cleaned up for $40, thinking I might find a better one. We all know how those stories end.

Gewehr98
January 5, 2003, 10:01 PM
Never regretted the Big Reno Show, at the Hilton. A true gun show if ever there was. ;)

geegee
January 5, 2003, 10:31 PM
I went to the Dallas Market Hall Show this weekend. The ticket was $7.00, which doesn't sit well with most of us, but IMO it is a pretty good show. I rarely leave there without buying something, even if only some ammo.

I have to admit, I believe the DFW area has some of the most competitively priced gun & knife stuff around. It's gotten to where if I see something anywhere near full retail, I ask myself "What the heck is this guy thinking?" :confused: geegee

Kahr carrier
January 6, 2003, 08:02 AM
Beef Jerky,Brownies ,Jewerly,and Books sounds like a PRK gun show.:neener:

DamnedDirtyApe
January 6, 2003, 08:44 AM
I would have had the "privilege" of hearing Bo Greitz (sp?) talk.

He's dead ain't he? I think he suicided over a woman.

Maybe the $10.00 was for a seance with him.

Ron L
January 6, 2003, 09:07 AM
I look at the shows as "entertainment". I'm usually willing to pay $5 to be entertained. And we use the shows as a chance for the guys to get together and chew the fat before we head out for the obligatory meal. The prices are usually not that spectacular, but I did find a fiber optic SG site that saved me $15, so I made the admission back. I also use the shows as an opportunity to show my kids a lot of various guns that they've never seen before but I've run into ad-nauseum.

The Beanie Babies, rubber band guns, and Ronco knife sharpener hawkers have got to go though.

And, sorry, but at the risk of sounding ignorant, who's Bo Greitz?

Col. Mustard
January 6, 2003, 09:42 AM
And, sorry, but at the risk of sounding ignorant, who's Bo Greitz?


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VaughnT
January 6, 2003, 09:59 AM
I'll agree. Here in West SC, the shows suck. Admission is cheap, but only twenty tables and never a good deal. Basically, the local shops move over to the show for two days and try to sell at even higher prices to recoup the costs of moving over to the show!

There's another show in Asheville NC, March 14-15, that I might go to. I don't know anything about it, but I haven't been there before and might just use it as an excuse for a road trip. Asheville's pretty in the spring.

Otherwise, I pretty much stay away from them unless I'm running low on .45 ammo; Georgia Arms usually has a booth at the G'ville show.

JohnBT
January 6, 2003, 10:22 AM
Gunshows...cheaper than seeing a movie and better exercise. JT

Diesle
January 6, 2003, 10:28 AM
Who cares about an extra $3 now a'days..... The cost of a damn hamburger.....

Id say you overreacted by boycotting the show. Did you go out to lunch instead...?


Diesle

pbman
January 6, 2003, 10:57 AM
Bo gitz has some interesting stories, i don't mind listining to him. He is a good patriotic american, even if you don't agree with him.

A good show is one wear i get a good deal.

A bad show is one wear i don't.

It's hard to tell the diff. until I go.

JMLV
January 6, 2003, 11:09 AM
with the other guy that is! $10 for the privledge of spending more of my money seems a bit pricy to me. Imagine if wal-mart charged you $5 just to shop in their store.:confused:

Ian
January 6, 2003, 12:29 PM
I was at the show in Denver this past weekend as well, and I had a very good time from the very beginning. Ex-Sheriff Richard Mack was at the door, offering his book, a 1-year GOA membership, and a show admission for $20. I'm now a GOA member. :) Inside, I noted a VZ-52 in 7.62x45 (in crappy shape, though), a couple 8x56R Steyr M95s, two .380 Colt 1903s, a couple Calicos, a Czech Mauser with a 20-round mag, and some cheap surplus .308 (now mine), among other things. I also picked up some AP .308 slugs for reloading. :p

It was a good show for me.

Carlos Cabeza
January 6, 2003, 12:51 PM
I went, left dissapointed. It seems everything is priced at or above what it could be had for elsewhere. What am I a MORON ! Obviously since I did pay the 10 dollar admission. A buddy was looking for a shotgun, found an 870 3.5"w/ syn. stock and rusty bbl. The guy wanted what I could get a new one for !!!!! THE NERVE ! I did invest in some mags and some ammo that you won't see at the wally world. And what is the deal with the AR's, 2000.00 ! for a decent one. I really want one but do not know what I should be spending for one. I did make some good contacts and will wait until the glitter wears off to call.........................

Dan Shapiro
January 6, 2003, 01:12 PM
SoCal gun shows have been poor since our wonderful state enacted it's AW and standard capacity magazine ban. There's really nothing good anymore. About the only thing I go for is primers and cleaning supplies. I can usually get a better and cheaper selection of projectiles online. I mostly buy pulldown 4895 -- you cannot get that at any gunshow I been to yet. Even with shipping, online deallers are cheaper for supplies.

I'm a Garand guy and for the most part these shows are a joke. Unserviceable parts more expensive then serviceable parts online, CMP rifles twice the CMP price, poorly faked stock cartouches.

The handguns, magazines and accessories are way overpriced. I could walk into almost any gun shop and beat the prices some of these guys are asking. But...I still go because every once in a while I find that gem.

RobW
January 6, 2003, 01:37 PM
Around here, Claude Hall's so called "gun-shows" are $ 11.00 plus $ 3.00 parking...

It seems that the gun-show loop-holes close the "gun-show-loophole" themselves.

As JMLV said: paying $ 14.00 to shop at Wal-Mart? At least, the ammo and the rifles/shotguns at the Wally-World are VERY much cheaper than at a "gun-toy-beefjerky-jewelery" show.

By the way, what about a tiny hot dog for $ 4.50 + tax?

King
January 6, 2003, 02:06 PM
Our gun show is every third weekend. Free parkling and $5 to get in. It has all the usual stuff plus the usual non-firearms tables as well.

I usually get ammo and mags there. Sometimes I locate a good gun deal. Nothing else, I kill a couple of hours and handle a lot of guns. It also helps me to stay on top of what's out here and what things cost. I also stay on top of things at my favorite gun stores plus the internet. Just trying to be smart and know the value of things. The folks who have tables are ususally helpful and don't mind giving you there opinion. Personally , I like to go.

I would imagine that they go home and complian about all the cheap skates that won't let go of a dollar also.

bubbaturbo
January 6, 2003, 02:20 PM
Sorry. I did spell the name wrong afterall. It's Bo Gritz and he is a former Vietnam veteran who, I believe, led one or more trips into Vietnam after the war looking for POWs. An internet search of his name will allow you to make up your own mind about him.

Carlos Cabeza
January 6, 2003, 02:47 PM
I WAS STARVING !!!!!!! But I didn't attend so I could eat and my waistline certainly wouldn't miss a coupla cheesburgers....:D

MLH
January 6, 2003, 02:59 PM
Do you live in a bank? Only thing I can think of with a big enough safe to hold all your toys.:D

stellarpod
January 6, 2003, 05:00 PM
Carlos Cabeza writes:

And what is the deal with the AR's, 2000.00 ! for a decent one. I really want one but do not know what I should be spending for one. I did make some good contacts and will wait until the glitter wears off to call.

Forget those guys Carlos. Give Mark a call at Brigadoon in Midwest City. Better yet, go by his shop (on Air Depot). He's a good guy and will treat you right.

stellarpod (who quit doing Claude Hall shows years ago)

Carlos Cabeza
January 6, 2003, 05:03 PM
THANKS POD !!!! Will Do !

JohnBT
January 6, 2003, 07:59 PM
And our best gun show is this weekend and I'm going to go pay another $6, with free parking, and have a great time looking at stuff.

I still can't get over the ammo dealer Saturday with 5 boxes of Wolf Match Target for $3.40 each. Seeing $1.50 ammo going for that was worth a couple of bucks. Saw a nice .338 bench gun built by the gentleman who owns our shooters association and it was only a grand or so. Very nice workmanship.

Doesn't anybody just like going to look at stuff even if you can't afford it?

I almost bought a very old Winchester 52 for a grand just to get the Lyman 15x scope off it.

I can't believe anybody prefers going to Wal-Mart.

John

wingnutx
January 6, 2003, 08:19 PM
Phoenix, AZ gunshow in december was great. I got good deals on AR mags, which was my main reason for going.

There were plenty of non-gun items for sale, but they were dwarfed by the amount of firearms for sale. It was freaking huge.

There was one booth catering to the neo-nazis, the irony of which (nazis at a pro-RKBA event) was probably completely lost on their tiny little brains.

Butch
January 6, 2003, 08:33 PM
Dadgumit people I cain't eat all that beef jerky by myself.


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Redlg155
January 6, 2003, 08:38 PM
Imagine if wal-mart charged you $5 just to shop in their store.

They do. It's called SAMS. And it's more like $35 these days.

Good Shooting
RED

firestar
January 6, 2003, 08:55 PM
Quote:
"Imagine if wal-mart charged you $5 just to shop in their store."

I bet they could get away with it too!
:D

Like someone else said, I look at gunshows as entertainment. The last one was $6 + $3 parking, $9! It is getting stupid latly. Just a few years ago it was $3 + $1 parking, $4. That was less than 10 years ago and the price has more than doubled! Whatever, I will still pay it as long as I am interested in guns and they continue to be decent.

The ones I go to seem to have very few of the non-gun related tables. I think I remember a big stink raised about them and the event people did something about it:cool: .

I have gotten a good deal at the last four gunshows in a row! That is what keeps me going. Sometimes I sell an item or sometimes I buy one but latly I have been really loving the deals!

Zip06
January 6, 2003, 10:02 PM
Entertainment. The price here in Portland ORegon is ridiculous also. $7.00 admission and $5.00 for parking. BUT WAIT... where else can you get to see the latest in velvet paintings; get your glasses cleaned for free; check out the Beanie Babies; oggle over the cheezy jewelry; see the worlds most expensive assortment of firearms and have an atomic hot dog. (the atomic hot dog will set off your GI tract when you get within 10 meters of the concession) Also, we have a world class of show goers, some with infants in strollers; some with military surplus clothing; some looking like they lost the last Iraqi war.

If you want to shop for guns stay on the internet; if you want entertainment go to the gunshow.

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