[Slinger]

Gun shows are always lots of fun! You meet interesting people who have seen unbelivable things. I had a short conversation with a vendor at the INDY 1500 this weekend, he claims to have actually seen a rare ceramic Glock that was owned by a buddy who didn't turn it in after he finished his super secret assignment with a secret government agency. Yep, they actually waved a metal detector wand over it and it didn't even chirp! You see even the ammonition is encased in a special polymer to make it metal detector invisable. Yes he really saw it! Why would he lie?:p

[Ndenway]

man...............I heard Lt. John McCain talk about those on DieHarder, but I never thought I'd ever hear about another.:D

[Heavy Metal Hero]

This deserves an "Oh Snap."

Oh snap!

[Geronimo45]

I have a rarer gun than that - the lexan 1911. Bulletproof glass, looks like a water pistol - orange trigger and all. Used it in my special mission to Tibet... you see, back in the good ol' days when I ran the Berlin Wall checkpoints for kicks, the Chinese and Russkies were sidewise with each other. The Russian ambassador had things all set up with an army general in the Manchuria area... he'd have the Kremlin's village idiot deliver a garbled transmission to the embassy, which would be interpreted as an act of war. The Manchurian Candidate would move in and take control of a few nuclear facilities... and 'misplace' the nukes, which would subsequently end up in Syria.
I got past the airports okay with my lexan 1911 - with it's orange-painted polmer-cased cartridges. I had just stopped the ambassador's car with my usual subtlety... RPG-7 volley. No sooner did I have the rear sight on him with the front one coming up then the guy keeled over. Saw a mean-looking customer with eyes that must've come from the blacksmith shop, and a sour look that immediately identifed him as Russian. The Chinese army cap worn backwards told me he must be KGB. He tossed the empty Makarov to me and left.
That lexan 1911 helped me to blast my way to a Chinese air force base. I took one of the MiGs but got shot down over Calcutta by a squirrely-looking Indian who must be one of the world's top Ghandi impersonators.
The KGB guy's face stuck in my head. It came back to the surface after the Breslau business. Don't know what name he was using back then, but he currently goes by the name of Vladimir Putin.

[wacki]

I have to be honest. I've seen all sorts of crazy materials in the local nano-labs. I'm kind of shocked there isn't some sort of non-ferric gun out there already.

[FTF]

I suppose the bullets were made out of ceramic as well?

The darn thing would shatter upon firing. Better bet would be some kind of plexiglass shank... or one of those dreaded "liquid bombs" you could assemble in 10 seconds with a home chemistry set, 4 friends, a bunsen burner and a freaking centerfuge.

:banghead: :banghead: Whatever happened to common sense?? Were people always this stupid? :banghead: :banghead:

[wacki]

I suppose the bullets were made out of ceramic as well?

Lead doesn't doesn't conduct VLFs. Therefore the actual bullets would be able to pass a metal detector easily.

[Finch]

I have a bullet made out of nothing but water sitting in the freezer, going to sell it on gunbroker. Still trying to figure out how to ship it though. :confused:

[auschip]

I have a bullet made out of nothing but water sitting in the freezer, going to sell it on gunbroker. Still trying to figure out how to ship it though.

List it as "some assembly required". :evil:

[Big Calhoun]

Perhaps a ceramic Glock is the reason for all the 'kaboom' stories. I'd have to imagine that's about what would happen if a gun was made from ceramics.

Being new to the 'gun scene', I gotta say...you find 'posers' no matter what hobby you choose to enjoy. This situation is no different than, say, one of those kids that buys a wannabe sports car, adds a fart muffler, a big wing spoiler, and orders an 'R' badge for his Honda so he can say it's been tuned by Honda for racing. :rolleyes:

[MechAg94]

You mean the cheap spoiler with the big bolts showing right? :)

[buzz_knox]

man...............I heard Lt. John McCain talk about those on DieHarder, but I never thought I'd ever hear about another.


That would be McClain, not McCain. Good movie and great character which shouldn't be associated with John "Wayne" McCain.

[psyopspec]

They're making a 4th for the series. It's called Live Free or Die Hard.

[quatin]

It was in a movie...you mean it isn't real?! :what:

Remember that movie/tv series that had an assassin shooting a bullet made of ICE to make it untracable?

Remember that movie where the guy snuck a PLASTIC pistol through airport security by hiding the bullet and firing spring/pin in a funky looking key chain?

[Rabid Rabbit]

I'd just smuggle the spring and firing pin in a clicky ink pen that just happens not to work at the moment.

FTF A ceramic bullet is not a problem, you could use a sabot or plastic driving bands so the ceramic does not touch the barrel. I can't find the site but I have been told by a reputable source that a Canadian company makes a 50 cal ceramic projectile filled with RDX for EOD work.

[EddieCoyle]

I'd love to see a ceramic spring.

[Lonestar]

Ohhh Yeaa That is nothing:neener:

When I go on my special missions to hunt for Osama Bin Laden, I use an all lexan M4 carbine. Its full auto, which is ok because I have a level III special agent's clearance. It fires special 6mm ammo that uses special "phased plasma" technology, which pushes these rounds 5X faster that any FN 5.7 round. The technology is cleverly deguised as 4 AA batteries. I should not tell you this :uhoh: but my agency's weapon research facility is located in a Walmart. If you want to take a look at this fantastic weapon, ask for "Q" in the sporting goods section. :p

[Joe Demko]

When I was a scout for the navy, I was briefly issued a handgun that was made entirely out of chocolate. Mechanically, it was a pretty close copy of the S&W Chiefs Special. It used special Tootsie Roll-based cartridges to propell Peanut M&M's (specially selected for uniform size) at a sufficient velocity for close range lethality. I was supposed to use it to assassinate an English industrialist (code-named Wonka) in Operation Oompa-Loompa. The basis of the idea was that after making the hit, I would consume the gun and thereby destroy all physical evidence linking us to the hit.
Oompa-Loompa was aborted to due to factors beyond my control and I had to turn the piece in without ever getting to try it in the field.

[NORTEXED]

I think it was "In the line of fire" that the would be assassin used a polymer/fiberglass derringer with a rubber band powered firing pin. The thing actually looked like it might work (it also used what looked like .32 short cartridges low pressure). That was the closest thing to an actual idea for this type weapon I've seen in the movies.

"Leary turns out to be incredibly resourceful; he opens a phony bank account in Los Angeles and is a master of disguise. He is also proficient at gunsmithing and builds a gun from epoxy plastic, so as not to set off any alarms at security gates."

[Jac]

...and I had to turn the piece in without ever getting to try it in the field.You can't tell me you didn't at least take a nibble...

[FPrice]

"Ding Ding Ding"

We have a winner ladies and gentlemen, no more calls please.

When I was a scout for the navy, I was briefly issued a handgun that was made entirely out of chocolate. Mechanically, it was a pretty close copy of the S&W Chiefs Special. It used special Tootsie Roll-based cartridges to propell Peanut M&M's (specially selected for uniform size) at a sufficient velocity for close range lethality. I was supposed to use it to assassinate an English industrialist (code-named Wonka) in Operation Oompa-Loompa. The basis of the idea was that after making the hit, I would consume the gun and thereby destroy all physical evidence linking us to the hit.

[buzz_knox]

I think it was "In the line of fire" that the would be assassin used a polymer/fiberglass derringer with a rubber band powered firing pin. The thing actually looked like it might work (it also used what looked like .32 short cartridges low pressure). That was the closest thing to an actual idea for this type weapon I've seen in the movies.

Both the CIA and KGB were reported to have weapons like this, made of polymer, fiberglass, ceramic, or some combination of those three. They reportedly fired rounds containing chemicals such as nerve agents or ricin.

[raytracer]

I was remembering the "In the Line of Fire" piece as well. I don't remember if he used it at a distance or not, but it seems fairly feasible as a contact weapon. Strong/thick enough chamber and you might even stand a decent chance of still having something - albeit numb and tingling - at the end of your arm after touching it off.

I was thinking the character in that used the ballpoint pen as a method of smuggling the firing pin and spring as well.

Also, I picked up one of those Blackie Cooper all plastic switchblades that uses a beryllium copper spring which is supposed to not set off a metal detector, although I never got around to testing that. Not long after I picked it up, I left it in the truck on a summer day and it's warped beyond all function now. Oh it's still as sharp as it ever was. If you need to cut warm butter it's just the thing.

Joe

[nbkky71]

Yep, they actually waved a metal detector wand over it and it didn't even chirp!

I'll bet the metal detector wasn't even turned on. :)

[kirkcdl]

That's because the AA batteries they were using to power the metal detector were actually Lonestars weapon,and not real batteries...:neener:

[Nick1911]

I hold that this isn't as far fetched as some people would think. I would think that many parts could be smuggled past security by hiding their true functionality in everyday objects. A short barrel could look like part of a heat pipe in your dell laptop. A spring placed in a bic pen could be used for a firing pin spring.

Other parts could be milled out of some solid plastic and carried on one's person. Now the only hard part is figuring out how to get ammo past, and another posted has indicated that ammo should pass through a metal detector's.

I clam that this is firmly within the grasp of today's technologies.

-Nick

[crunker]

Firearms that can't be detected by metal detectors are considered AOWs.

[Big Gay Al]

I've got a "CIA letter opener." ;)

[Nick1911]

Firearms that can't be detected by metal detectors are considered AOWs.

I did not know that. Do you have a reference?

Thanks!

[SIRVEYR666]

Has anyone consulted Gecko45 on this matter?:scrutiny:

I refuse to weigh-in on this topic until I hear from someone "in the know".

[salvador31c]

HAHAHA THIS IS FUNNY STUFF
I have a bullet made out of nothing but water sitting in the freezer, going to sell it on gunbroker. Still trying to figure out how to ship it though
Hey i saw that on MythBusters FUNNY Stuff:neener:

Yea Well i ran Accross a RentACop Last Night Who had a First Gen Sigma 40 With a "2lb trigger" and a Stage 2 Holster Funny right and then someone does a Beer run In Front of him and he just looks at them and does nothing HAHAHA

[Geronimo45]

"Has anyone consulted Gecko45 on this matter?"
Good idea. I'll have to check out the Galleria tomorrow, and see if the Patron Saint of American Malls is visiting. I have heard that he might be in a tactical Santa costume, with flash-bangs concealed in his beard and a NAA mini-revolver in his cap.
Through my black-ops connections, I was able to ascertain that the Swiss Miniguns have been used in violent crimes against pinball machines in some malls, though Gecko45 says that he hasn't noticed any yet. May need some contact lenses behind the NVGs.

[Ohen Cepel]

Since I can kill with my pinky toe (only the right one though) I have no need for such fancy toys:evil:

[10-Ring]

:what: I don't know if I should take that like a fairy tale or not...but my BS meter did go off :evil:

I've heard enough stories in gunshops to know not to believe what I can't see myself ;)

[Sunray]

"...Why would he lie?..." Drunk?

[slicknickns]

Sounds like a very good story, it also sounds like bullshiit

[Nickodemus]

Even without ferrus metal barrel, frame and slide you still need metal springs for it to function, but if you replaced all those with little polymer phneumatic struts...

[toocool]

When I go on my special missions to hunt for Osama Bin Laden, I use an all lexan M4 carbine. Its full auto, which is ok because I have a level III special agent's clearance. It fires special 6mm ammo that uses special "phased plasma" technology, which pushes these rounds 5X faster that any FN 5.7 round. The technology is cleverly deguised as 4 AA batteries. I should not tell you this but my agency's weapon research facility is located in a Walmart. If you want to take a look at this fantastic weapon, ask for "Q" in the sporting goods section.

Oh, man, you shouldn'ta hadn'ta told anybody that...now I'm afraid the "Q" section will be wiring some of that plastic-explosive to your car...I'd be careful when you start it up...you might be able to spot the stuff, though...usually comes in bright colors, and is found in the same area of Walmart (code name Play Dough)....:D

[Geronimo45]

The Russian mob crashed into my car when I got into the mall parking lot. My MP5 jammed (I need the Special Weapons products, I hate this HK POS), and I had to dodge lead all the way in. Took a .308 to the boot, with no major problems. The leather will need some polish, but the shank was made from a trauma plate, and the toe is level IV resistant steel. It did slice the bootlace, so I needed to visit the mall, anyway. The Tactical Team did a good job of driving off the Russians, and I was able to get Gecko45 - who kindly supplied me with a tactical shoelace and the information I required.
"We've seen several ceramic Glocks," he said. "Mainly the professional theives who hit the mall jewelry stores. I've had to institute the DEFCON system. We are currently at... DEFCON 3! DEFCON 3!" He said, after checking his tactical pager. He suited up for combat, and invited me to come along. I stuck a few trauma plates in my tactical overalls, picked up a Special Weapons SW5, and went out to battle.
We used less-than-lethal rounds to put an end to the 'Candy Craze' riot - about 300 rounds were fired by our team. Gecko45 said that he was looking at buying an FN 303, but the mayor hadn't vetted his request yet. The DEFCON level went back to 4.
"Ceramic Glocks are the most dangerous non-ferrous pistol we've had to deal with, because the users are so highly-trained. The rounds are a special vacuum-Mercury round which causes an implosion upon hitting flesh. The Mercury allows it to penetrate Level IIIA armor, so most jewelers are supplied with Level IV, plus a panic button connected to our Tactical booth."
"Have you encountered any shooters with .50BMG?"
"Not exactly. The Russian Mafia has been using a .50 Russian round, but most of its snipers aren't used to its recoil. Our SW3s can take them out when set to full-auto mode and fired in a volley.
"Our Stryker-II Tactical Armored Vehicles have M2HBs on a CROWS mount."
"So this is the Stryker? Looks like a golf cart."
"It is an up-armored tactical sport utility urban assault vehicle!"
"Sorry. But do you have any rapid-response vehicles?"
"Our Stryker-III High-Speed Up-Armored High-Mobility Tactical Vehicle."
"Looks like a tandem bicycle."
"A tactical tandem up-armored urban reconnaissance bicycle - the plating around the wheels reduces the chance of a shooter taking out a tire - but we have run-flat tires just in case they do. We have a surefire front lamp, and a laser to sight in our laser-guided weaponry on the handlebars. There is a SW3 mounted in front, aimed with the red-dot sight on this set of tactical handlebars."
"Brilliant idea."
"It is completely constructed of stealthed polymer so that it doesn't show up on primitive radar systems, plus it won't set off metal detectors."
"The Stryker II - it's your main assault vehicle?"
"Our primary fighting machine, and it can function as an armored personnel carrier. I like to keep a few Javelins inside, plus three hundred loaded spare magazines for the SW3 and SW5. Glock mags and towing gear are under the seats."
Gecko45 and I discussed several other topics... but since much of it has to do with top secret mall security, I can't disclose it to you. Suffice it to say that yes, Gecko45 has spotted ceramic Glocks in action - and their specialty non-ferrous ammo is extremely deadly.

[wacki]

Even without ferrus metal barrel, frame and slide you still need metal springs for it to function, but if you replaced all those with little polymer phneumatic struts...

Ya, this is the only thing that I can't figure out a way around. Given what I've seen in the nano-labs the firing pin, the barrel, etc can all be made out of non-metallic material and would last long enough for a covert mission. The springs are a tough one though. They have flat fiberglass springs but those don't have anywhere near the compression.

[Joe Demko]

You could replace the recoil spring with a stack of little rubber donuts around the guide rod. Way back in the development of quick-firing artillery, the Russians used a similar idea on a big scale to control recoil.

[Glockfan.45]

Yeah Mythbusters did the ice bullet thing. It did not work, athough the meat bullets did. They stuffed ground beef into bullet molds then froze them in liquid nitrogen. As I recall it had some pretty good effects on balistic gel. As far as covert weapons go why not hide them in plain sight? Have we all forgot about the pen gun? A ceramic gun may work with low pressure loads. I wouldnt want to shoot 10mm out of one. I was thinking of ceramic like the kind they use in knife blades. However Im not sure that would pass a metal detector.

[cdsdss]

That would be McClain, not McCain. Good movie and great character which shouldn't be associated with John "Wayne" McCain

I think it was speled McClane. And the Glocks he encountered were the rare "Glock 7" porcelein models. "European and very expensive."

I remember sitting in the theatre thinking "Well, they got Glock and Europe right..."

[SouthpawShootr]

Yep, they actually waved a metal detector wand over it and it didn't even chirp! You see even the ammonition is encased in a special polymer to make it metal detector invisable. Yes he really saw it!

Maybe he did. It could have been an AirSoft gun (but then again those have springs) or maybe one of those "blue" gun models. :D