7mm-08 vs .260 Rem?


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Tequila jake
November 9, 2006, 12:47 PM
Is the 7mm-08 falling out of favor? I'm finding fewer and fewer places in the San Antonio area that carry ammo for it. Conversely, I find that more and more shops are carrying ammo for the .260 Rem.

Tequila Jake:banghead:

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Essex County
November 9, 2006, 01:14 PM
I'd bet that nationaily the opposite is true. I have no figgures to back this up, but bet 7-08 rifle sales far exceed the .260. I have no problem finding either. Say Hi to everybody in South Texas for me........Essex

Shawnee
November 9, 2006, 02:33 PM
Hi Tequila...

I was in San Antonio last Sept., and last Dec, and again last May and Academy and Wallymart (N. side of town) both had 7mm/08 ammo with even some decent bullet selection. That little gun shop just west of New Braunfels had some too. :confused:

ArmedBear
November 9, 2006, 02:40 PM
I don't think 7mm-08 is going away.

I just think that .260 is finally emerging as a production cartridge. Even Remington offered few guns chambered in it until this year.

Now, you can get several mid-price production rifles in .260, so there's demand for ammo.

Sharps Shooter
November 9, 2006, 02:53 PM
I tend to agree with Essex, and like Essex, I have no figures to back up my opinion. My perception of ammo availability might me swayed though due to the facts both my wife and oldest daughter shoot 7mm-08s and we load our own ammo. The .260 Remington was introduced just about the same time our oldest daughter became old enough to start deer hunting and we did look at it as an option for a deer cartridge. In the end though, we decided it wouldn't do anything a 7mm-08 won't do, there is a greater range of bullet weights available for the 7mm-08, and to keep things as simple as possible, we decided not to buy our daughter a deer rifle chambered for a cartridge only slighly different than the one her Mom was already sold on.

asknight
November 9, 2006, 03:50 PM
Everyone is selling out of 7mm-08 now due to upcoming hunting seasons around the area... Don't be so paranoid! It will be restocked.

steelhead
November 9, 2006, 04:08 PM
Both are great rounds and you couldn't really go wrong either way. However, they are both more geared to the handloader. The factory offerings are fine but you can't really fully explore their capabilities unless you reload.

I went with the 7mm-08 but I plan to pick up a 260 barrel in the future. I have a lot of fun swapping barrels on my Savage with the .308 derived family of cartridges (.243, 260R, 7mm-08, .308, .338-08, .338 Federal, .358 Win., etc).

michael_aos
November 9, 2006, 04:54 PM
I've got 3 rifles chambered in 260 Remington.

I haven't looked at 7mm-08 ammo, but I did notice my local large gunshop has a bunch of older 260 ammo that's not offered anymore.

That suggests it isn't selling very well locally as well as nationally, since manufacturers aren't making as many loads as they once did.

Mike

kaferhaus
November 9, 2006, 06:28 PM
I own both... and while my personal opinion is the 260 is a better cartrigde, I'd be hard pressed to believe they out sell the 7-08....

The 7-08 is a great cartridge with a tiny bit less recoil than a 308 and about the same ballistics.

The 260's shortcomings are lack of a good variety of ammo, and the fact the most "hunters" still don't know what it is...

The "scarcity" of 7-08 ammo is as the previous poster said, it's hunting season.... most places don't carry a large inventory of 7-08 to begin with and it moves quick this time of year and sits on the shelf the rest of the year.

Omaha-BeenGlockin
November 9, 2006, 07:07 PM
Falling out of favor-----I sure hope not---have bought 2 7mm-08 rifles in the last month---Kimber Montana and Rem Model 7 Youth---both nice little rifles---esp. the Kimber.

Peter M. Eick
November 14, 2006, 04:20 PM
Remington will keep the 7-08 just so they have the 7mm bullet range completely covered with cartridges.

Here in Houston I see lots more ammo for the 7-08 then the 260. I would have guessed the 260 was on its way out from my experience because so few bullets for it vs. the 7mm bullets.

As a reloader the 7-08 is has just too many options in terms of projectiles.

ArmedBear
November 14, 2006, 05:16 PM
Remington will keep the 7-08 just so they have the 7mm bullet range completely covered with cartridges.

Completely plastered over ten layers thick!:D

.260 hasn't been around very long. It's considered a reloader's round. I don't think it's going away.

The problem is, there are so many deer rounds available in the US that the difference between each of them is very small. Is a .260 better for some applications than a 7mm-08? Probably, sure, and vice versa, too. If you have a 7mm-08 already, is it cost-effective to buy a .260 rifle for the times when the .260 is marginally more perfect than the 7mm-08?

AFAIK the .30-06 is still the most popular round. It's the rifle you buy when you don't know exactly what you will want, because regardless, it will work.

(Another issue: both are hunting rounds, not target rounds. Therefore, a little more or less recoil doesn't matter much.)

MachIVshooter
November 14, 2006, 09:10 PM
7mm -08 has never been terribly popular, but has had a steady following since it was introduced in 1980. It will be around for a long time to come.

The .260 really flopped (despite all the hype). Not sure why-it is a fundametally good cartridge with ballistics identical to the 6.5x55 Swede. Of course, the 6.5mm's have never been exceedingly popular in the US. The 6.5 Rem mag and .264 Win mag are both semi-obsolete, despite being very good rounds.

rangerruck
November 14, 2006, 09:15 PM
the 7 08 will proly never go out of production. That said, the 260 is really a handloader's dream. you can really load them up or down about a million diff ways.

Colt46
November 14, 2006, 09:23 PM
By the general shooting public and is offered in many foreign rifles madefor the US market. Sadly, the .260 still hasn't really caught on. Too bad. It's a dandy little starter rifle that is capable of taking on most North American game.

ECVMatt
November 14, 2006, 11:14 PM
I perfer the 7-08. I could never get any solid kills with the .260. I am not saying others haven't, it just never seemed to work well for me. I sold it and bought a 7-08 that works much better. I also like the availablity of bullets for the 7-08.

I know lots of folk swear by their .260's it just never worked for me.

Matt

Schleprok62
November 15, 2006, 10:47 AM
The 7-08 is a great cartridge with a tiny bit less recoil than a 308 and about the same ballistics.

Actually, the ballistics indicate that the 7mm-08 outperforms (http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/comparative_ballistics_results.aspx?data=R260R1*R7M081*R308W1) the .308 in all categories. As does the 260 Rem.

Now, for the record, I am not in any way saying the .308 is a lousy cartridge, or that it doesn't perform the way it was intended. The .308 is the yardstick by which the rest of the x08 family are measured and a mighty fine round to start with.

I have a 7mm-08 and love it. It does everything well. :cool: The 260, I can't speak for, I have only looked at them on shelves... :rolleyes: The 280 Rem is the one I can't figure out why never caught on... :scrutiny:

MCgunner
November 15, 2006, 10:48 AM
Roll your own. Handloading solves ammo availability problems and makes for a more accurate rifle to boot. How else could I shoot a 7mm TCU?

The .260 is the latest and greatest answer to a question that has already been answered. :rolleyes: Truth be told, the 7-08 is no great answer either. It's already been done a hundred times. While not quite as short, the 7x57 was chambered in short actions and I dare you to find a ballistic advantage in the 7-08. It's just that in order to boost sales, gun companies have to come out with a new "latest rage" caliber. If they just keep cranking out the old standards, their sales will languish. You have to have the "short magnums" and whatever else out there on the market to get folks to toss their rifle for something new.

For that matter, other than .264" bullets have higher SDs and BCs, there's not a lot of ballistic difference in a .260 and my .257 Roberts. I'd not dump my .257 for a .260, I can tell ya that! It's plenty effective, light on the shoulder, and 3/4 MOA accurate and besides, it's a family heirloom. The other two serious rifles I bought are to fill niches and in one case because I just like the gun. My 7 mag fills the elk and big boar hog niche when all I had was the .257. I felt it was advantageous on heavy game, though all I've ever shot with it was small hogs and deer. :rolleyes: Then, I got my Remington stainless M7 in .308 because I like the caliber and love the little compact, light rifle. I probably wouldn't have bought it (my old M722 .257 Roberts is quite compact, also), but I won a M700 in .25-06 as a door prize at a gun show and traded that for the M7.

I've got all my bases covered with 3 effective rifles. If I hunted some sort of varmints, I might want a .22-250, but I don't. They can come out with all the "latest and greatest" short magnums and various other versions of must have rifles and I'm quite content with what I have now, thanks. I'll never go to Alaska or Africa. I can hunt anything in the lower 48 with the calibers I have now in three rifles and most of what I hunt is on my own property, deer, hogs, and a coyote now and then. I'm a poor man, not an African white hunter. In fact, I've never had a desire for Africa, but would love to hunt Alaska. I've I tripped over a big bag of money or won the lotto I might want some heavy calibers, but living on my meager retirement I'm happy with what I've got. I really don't care what new "must haves" the gun companies create.

When I got my M7, the caliber I wanted was .308. I didn't want the 7. I don't consider the 7 in any way superior to the .308. Okay, the bullets have a little better BCs and SDs. I don't think a hog at 300 yards is going to know the difference in a 7mm bullet out of a 7-08 and my 140 Barnes boat tail X bullet in .30 caliber. If the 7 or the 260 is in any way "Superior" to the .308, it's on paper, not in the field. The .308 is an inherently accurate cartridge and up to 150 grains in bullet weight, pretty much duplicates factory .30-06, though I realize the 06 can be pushed a bit faster with modern powders. Still, the .308 is a fully capable short action .30 caliber for game up to elk and the rifle is far more handy in a stand or out in the mountains than a heavy long action. I don't think it gets no better for me, anyway.

kjeff50cal
November 15, 2006, 11:10 AM
The .260 is the latest and greatest answer to a question that has already been answered. Truth be told, the 7-08 is no great answer either. It's already been done a hundred times. While not quite as short, the 7x57 was chambered in short actions and I dare you to find a ballistic advantage in the 7-08. It's just that in order to boost sales, gun companies have to come out with a new "latest rage" caliber. If they just keep cranking out the old standards, their sales will languish. You have to have the "short magnums" and whatever else out there on the market to get folks to toss their rifle for something new.

The question that the 7-08 and .260 answered was how do you get 7mm X 57/6.5 Swede performance in a modern round without carving/blowing up classic millitary rifles ie 93/95 Mausers & Remington Rolling blocks chambered for those classic rounds.

MCgunner
November 15, 2006, 11:20 AM
Remington chambered the M722 in the 7x57. Modern short action guns could be chambered in the old Mauser, though I have no problem "carving up" a military rifle if I so please. I believe Ruger has chambered the 7x57 if they don't still chamber it. My comment was that there is little difference in the ballistics of a 7-08 or a 7x57 in the same rifle. However, when it came out, to read the magazines, the 7-08 was the best, a must have, etc, etc. Remington chambered 7x57 in a 700 classic in the 80s I think. But, even though it's just as good as any 7-08, better with really heavy bullets, there are few modern rifles chambered for it. Same could be said for the 6.5x55 and the .260.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976563325.htm

Ol` Joe
November 15, 2006, 11:28 AM
The question that the 7-08 and .260 answered was how do you get 7mm X 57/6.5 Swede performance in a modern round

Yep! And the 308 was the answer to a 30-06 in a short action that the military wanted.
I`ve owned all 3 at one time or another. Shot a few deer with the 308 - Ruger M77. Shot a couple more with a 708 - Rem M7 & 2 M700s. The last 5 whitetail I have dropped fell to a 260 - M700 & Kimber M84. (also have killed a few deer with the 6.5x55 and `06) and today I am still useing the 260, the 308 has been long gone. I haven`t seen a bit of difference in one killing better then another between all of them. The 260 has the lighest recoil and with 125gr and up bullets I wouldn`t feeel undergunned on elk. They all shoot flat enough for 300 yd at game, are highly accurate, and have more then enough Omphhh.
It is kind of like women, they all look better then they really are if they are in someones elses hands. Truth is they all do the same things in the end..... it all comes down to ones idea of "sexy" and what works for you.

MCgunner
November 15, 2006, 11:32 AM
Well put Ol' Joe:D

I'll throw in another old short action caliber that works.... .300 Savage. The .250-3000 and the .22-250 were based on that case. Folks, it's all been done before.

wanderinwalker
November 15, 2006, 12:52 PM
My opinion is that the .260 Remington (aka 6.5-08 to some people) is never going to be really popular with hunters, except those who use it as a "gun for the wife" or first gun for the kids. Shame really, because it IS a good cartridge with a lot going for it.

I also feel that as a target cartridge, the 6.5mms are superior to the 7mms. Witness the 6.5-.284, .260 Remington and various other 6.5mm spawns. Though I do know a long-range gun who shoots a .284 Winchester (he calls his 185gr bullets "golf pencils" ;) ), and another who shoots a .30-338 in a custom Savage (he's a gunsmith and can build whatever he wants). If I were going out to build a dedicated LR rifle tomorrow, I'd start and stop my search at the .260. I wouldn't bother with a 7-08, as the 140/142gr 6.5s have superior BCs and driven to 2750-fps or so have a proven record.

steelhead
November 16, 2006, 12:19 AM
Here is a pic of my Savage that started off as a .308 Tactical and morphed into a 7mm-08 sporter. As I mentioned before, I might convert it to a .260 Remington next but I don't have any complaints about the current performance.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/450077-big.JPG

.601, 5 shot group, @ 100 yards with 120gr Nosler BT's.
http://www.hunt101.com/img/450052.JPG

rugerfreak
November 16, 2006, 04:15 AM
I believe that's about the sharpest Savage I've ever seen in my life----and I'm not a Savage fan at all.

steelhead
November 16, 2006, 04:06 PM
Thanks, I finished and painted the glass stock myself. Here is another one I did for a 358 Winchester. This one has done a .749, 5 shot group, @ 100 but most hang out at 1MOA+-. Savages may be ugly but they still hold their own in other areas....

http://www.hunt101.com/img/450083-big.JPG

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