Assault Rifles


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.45 AUTO
November 10, 2006, 12:46 AM
Which is the better military assault rifle?

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Veprman
November 10, 2006, 01:17 AM
Im going to go with the fal. Its powerfull and extremly reliable.

roscoe
November 10, 2006, 01:28 AM
Better for what?

Try the search feature. You could revive 250 threads on this subject easily.

rockstar.esq
November 10, 2006, 02:02 AM
The .308 Winchester is burly and strapping:D

The FAL's nickname is "The right hand of the free world"

The .223 is for poodle poping and the 7.62x39 is too communist for a patriot:neener:

So uhhh FAL I vote FAL

Metapotent
November 10, 2006, 03:06 AM
Um only 4 of those rifles you listed are actually assault rifles. The G3 and the FAL are battle rifles.

I'd say the M16 is the best. Accuracy, fire rate, and with better long-range accuracy than the other actual assault rifles you listed. The M4 is a close second, it just has less velocity due to the shorter barrel. I would personally choose an M16 of the rifles you listed.

Waywatcher
November 10, 2006, 03:44 AM
I've always had a thing for the AK-47, reliability and durability. I also prefer post/notch sights.

And yes, I've shot AR's.

wayne in boca
November 10, 2006, 04:58 AM
I chose the M16 also.The G3 and FAL are battle rifles,the Aks make me want to start a collective farm,and the M4 is a truncated M16,so make it second.

Number 6
November 10, 2006, 05:11 AM
It's kind of a flawed question. Each rifle has its merits, and will perform better in different environments and on different battlefield settings.

Erinyes
November 10, 2006, 05:25 AM
Gotta go with the M16. FAL and G3 are full caliber battle rifles (might as well ad the M14 if you're going to have those two). AK47/74 is a cheap, though very reliable weapon most suited to conscripted peasants. It's also piss poor on the ergonomics front.

M4 is better at clearing buildings than the M16. M16 is better at intermediate/long range shooting than the M4. But I'd argue the M16 is better at clearing a building than the M4 is at intermediate/long range shooting.

So I choose the M16.

oh blanky
November 10, 2006, 06:13 AM
FNC

swingset
November 10, 2006, 06:46 AM
Sig 540 is the best MBR. 550 is the best AW.

What do I win?

:neener:

db_tanker
November 10, 2006, 06:58 AM
Fusil Automatique Léger


nuff said


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HorseSoldier
November 10, 2006, 07:41 AM
Like other guys have said, the G3 and FAL are not assault rifles at all (which is not to say they don't have their merits, but its strictly apples and oranges).

Of the assault rifles on the list, my vote was for M4, but M16 is a narrow second. The AKs just are not laid out for use in a gunfight -- most of the controls require the use of the firing hand coming up off the grip or some real complicated rolling manuevers. Mag changes ain't getting done in a timely manner either, compared to the AR-15 type weapons. Either the 47 or the 74 will still kill folks dead as cancer, but they simply aren't as good at it as the M16/M4, in my opinion.

iamkris
November 10, 2006, 07:47 AM
most...

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And not relevant because 1/2 of the rifles listed aren't even assault rifles

Then there is that obvious question of "better for what"?

.45 AUTO
November 10, 2006, 08:29 AM
Go to the website http://www.world.guns.ru and you will find that the H&K G3 and the F.A.L are on the list of "Assault Rifles".

RNB65
November 10, 2006, 08:46 AM
Someone please provide a link where the military officially defines either "assault rifle" or "battle rifle." I think you'll have a difficult time finding one.

I do agree that the FAL and G3 are in a different class. Full power cartridge rifles vs intermediate power cartridge rifles. But since all can be carried into combat, I don't think it's incorrect to include them in a comparison of "combat rifles."

stoky
November 10, 2006, 08:56 AM
Um only 4 of those rifles you listed are actually assault rifles. The G3 and the FAL are battle rifles
Um, only 2 of these are rifles, the rest are carbines.
Assault can be committed with a dinner fork.
Everything on this list is a Homeland Security weapon.

possum
November 10, 2006, 09:13 AM
Which is the better millitary assault rifle?
1st off which military do you speak of? thats a very broad generaization, because we the USA don't use but two of those the rifles listed, and two of which aren't "assault" rifles like they are labled. another generilization made by those that have never had to assualt anything in their lives. the others listd like the fal, g3 etc, are too big and are civilian "assault rifle " cool but don't make the cut for the job being done by the boots on the ground, i wouldn't carry one as an assualt/breech/mout gun no way.

Go to the website http://www.world.guns.ru and you will find that the H&K G3 and the F.A.L are on the list of "Assault Rifles".
Just because it is on the web makes it true? ever think that He, the author of the website is as uninformed as the others that think they are truely "assualt rifles"?

19-3Ben
November 10, 2006, 09:20 AM
Without more info I picked the AK. Each gun has its own purpose, and each is good at its own thing. But in each and every situation, you need a gun that will shoot 100% of the time, regardless of conditions, dirt, rounds fired, abuse, etc.... This is where the AK excells. There are better guns for individual jobs. But none better than the AK as an all arounder (unless you need really long range accuracy and hitting power in which case I would have picked the FAL).

But then again, I don't claim to be an expert, or know anything more that any other armchair soldier.

JShirley
November 10, 2006, 09:56 AM
Assault rifles are rifles with semi and FA capability, chambered for intermediate power rounds. There's a definition for you, if you're ever wondering. :) (Since "assault rifle" is not an ARMY definition, you'll never see it defined! A 5.56 mm, magazine fed, gas-operated, air-cooled, semiautomatic or three-round burst, hand-held, shoulder-fired weapon.-M4/M16A2)

I'd take the M4. According to doctrine, the M16 only has 50 meters more effective range than the M4. Since the M16 has an overlong LOP, I can't aim it worth a damn anyway, so FOR ME, the M4 is more effective at range!


http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/m16a2/m16a2-study-guide.shtml
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/m4/m4-study-guide.shtml

stoky
November 10, 2006, 10:36 AM
I don't seem to recall ever having seen an M4 on a 600yd DCM line.

JShirley
November 10, 2006, 10:43 AM
Notice the FOR ME in my post. 'Course, a 20" barrel with a short or adjustable stock would be the ideal compromise in such a distance shoot FOR ME.

John

aka108
November 10, 2006, 11:08 AM
I like the AK's. Totally reliable and no small parts to lose. Not much more refined than a cap gun, the simplicity is beautiful.

stoky
November 10, 2006, 11:22 AM
John,
I should have paid more attention to your location and the fact that you said at range, not at the range. :o

Thank you for your service.

.45 AUTO
November 10, 2006, 11:46 AM
Not to cause anymore controversy on the subject matter, but if you go to this other website http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=19066 the U.S. Navy states that the M-4 is an assault rifle.

MJ
November 10, 2006, 12:25 PM
:neener:

selector67
November 10, 2006, 04:26 PM
If it was me, I would choose an Israeli Galil Arm. A 223. with the reliability of an AK, plus I always liked the looks of the Galil.:evil:

30 cal slob
November 10, 2006, 04:31 PM
has anyone here shot a select-fire FNC?

gosh, what a beautiful gun.

strat81
November 10, 2006, 04:34 PM
I'll be the shallow, ignorant n00b and say I picked the AK-47 because I think it is the coolest. Don't ask me to define cool, I just know it when I see it. :D

And maybe "assault rifle" isn't the best term... maybe "military gun that isn't a pistol" is more appropriate.

benelli12
November 10, 2006, 04:35 PM
i like the AK-47. The 7.62 by 39mm is a good median between the .223 and the .308 win., and the AK extremely reliable

Evil Monkey
November 10, 2006, 06:19 PM
I know the DI system is messed up, but I still chose the M4 carbine. It's light, ergonomical, can use many accessories, 5.56mm is flat shooting and controlable.

I almost chose the AK-74 but realized that I've handled AK's, and they feel like a mis-shaped cinder block. Oh and uhh.............CLICK!!!!:neener:

AK103K
November 10, 2006, 07:11 PM
Um only 4 of those rifles you listed are actually assault rifles. The G3 and the FAL are battle rifles.
They are all "battle" rifles, and you use them to "assault" with. :)

It amazes me how so many want to argue the merits of rifles that were only issue for most major armies for a very short time. The AK's and M16's have been in "constant service" now longer than many who post are old.

Glockfan.45
November 10, 2006, 07:20 PM
Well whats available to most civilians isnt really an assault rifle. The rifles us subjects are permited to buy are semi-auto copies of select fire military rifles :p . As far as whats the best military style rifle that question has no one answer. It is a matter of personal taste. For me its the Kalashnikov style rifles for their simplicity, ruggedness, and reliability. For others it may be the AR for its light weight, and accuracy. Others still may prefer the FAL or HKG3 for its powerful round. Whats best depends on what you like and what you need it for. And I consider the FAL and G3 to be "assault rifles" and the Garand, and M-14 to be battle rifles. See the differance?

High Planes Drifter
November 10, 2006, 08:17 PM
Out of those, M16. But I want you to know, I am not happy that the M14 was not on the list.:scrutiny:

crunker
November 10, 2006, 10:10 PM
AK-47, cause even if you die using it, a family member can pick it up and use it without worrying too much about cleaning it.

It's powerful and customizable.

HorseSoldier
November 11, 2006, 10:06 AM
I don't seem to recall ever having seen an M4 on a 600yd DCM line.

I have seen a guy get more hits than misses, standing off hand, with an M4/Aimpoint combo shooting at a steel chest plate 400 yards out. The 14.5" barrel does what it needs to do, accuracy-wise, provided the guy behind the gun has the skills.

Newton
November 11, 2006, 10:28 AM
You missed out the SA80A2 :D

Ray P
November 11, 2006, 10:40 AM
Not to cause anymore controversy on the subject matter, but if you go to this other website http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=19066 the U.S. Navy states that the M-4 is an assault rifle.

Look at the tag line. Photographer's Mate Airman Kristopher Wilson He may be Navy, but he's an E-3 photographer wannabe journalist. Don't rely on journalists for accuracy. Especially government reporters.

To keep on thread, I vote for FAL

USN
USNR
USNR(ret) (happy place)

Spencer
November 11, 2006, 10:49 AM
There is a difference between assault and battle rifles, yes, but why is this getting so out of hand? Stop giving the guy trouble, or I might just have to assume that those who are were just too dumb to understand his simple question. Come on guys, you know what he meant.

MJ
November 11, 2006, 11:39 AM
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Glockfan.45
November 11, 2006, 06:12 PM
Ah I would love to have a M-14 copy (the real thing would be nice too :D ) its just too bad they are so :cuss: expensive.

Grunt
November 11, 2006, 07:22 PM
While I think the FAL is the best rifle of those listed, I voted for the M-4 as the best assault rifle per the definition of an "assault rifle". As far as world of guns web site goes, did you notice the .RU in the end of the link address? Isn't that a Russian web site? I guess I just don't accept the definitions of those that think "vodka" is Russian for "water".:neener:

CAPTAIN MIKE
November 11, 2006, 08:25 PM
Whoa --- That not an "Assault Rifle", Senator Feinstein. That my dear is a "Sport Utilitiy Rifle".

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