Shot to death.......the gun, I mean!


PDA






Bart Noir
November 10, 2006, 07:51 PM
Yesterday I watched a guy and his sons rent an XD in 9mm. Later they brought it back, with lots of apologies. Seems it was busted. The employees were very nice about it, took it apart, and that's when the "gee whiz" statements started. The frame-mounted feed ramp had broken off.

This gun had been fired untold thousands of times, in a year of service as one of the more popular rentals. And the employees were confident that Springfield would replace it. So I am not even starting to try to slam Springfield. But I cannot resist asking...

Who has ever seen a feed ramp break off, on any gun?

Bart Noir

If you enjoyed reading about "Shot to death.......the gun, I mean!" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
Chipperman
November 10, 2006, 08:10 PM
They must have loaded those new cop-killer armor piercing rounds in it. They're so hard, they punch right through the feed ramp.

Who has ever seen a feed ramp break off, on any gun?

Not me. My guess it that there must have been a metallurgical flaw in the steel at that point.

wally
November 10, 2006, 10:10 PM
Stuff breaks. If you've never broken a gun you just ain't shooting enough!

--wally.

real_name
November 10, 2006, 10:12 PM
I've never broken a gun... yet, I'm working on it.

strat81
November 11, 2006, 12:02 AM
Is this something +P or +P+ ammo could cause?

Bob R
November 11, 2006, 12:19 AM
I can think of a lot of things thay can go wrong with a gun.....but a feed ramp busting off would not be one of them.

bob

Shawn 357
November 11, 2006, 01:55 AM
My XD just recently started having some issues. I did not break off the feed ramp, in fact I don't really have any broken parts on the gun, it has just worn out. I have at a very conservative estimate of at the very least 20,000 rounds through it. I am sure SA will repair the rental gun that broke (SA's customer service is extraordinary) but I have not had any part actually fail on my XD.
On my XD40 the feed ramp is part of the barrel, where did it break?

10-Ring
November 11, 2006, 02:00 AM
I have...when my G21 kb in my hands :eek:

possum
November 11, 2006, 02:17 AM
shawn 357,

20,000 is alot of ammo in any pistol, i think when my xd reaches that point i will probally retire it, it deserves it after that! what kinda of issues are you having in particular with your xd?

Shawn 357
November 11, 2006, 02:34 AM
Possum,
I have decided to retire my XD unless I am just blowing stuff up in the desert. My XD still works reliably (not with wadcutters) the slides are loose causing it to shoot to the left and low a couple of inches. The trigger is also inconsistent. When I said I had shot 20,000 rounds through it I was being conservative, I very well may have close to 30,000 rounds through it but I can't promise that. The first time I did more than field strip my XD to clean it was at about 15k rounds and I only did that because someone loaned me a copy of "The Complete XD" and I felt inspired:)
Springfield was so great to deal with when I sent the gun back to them to check it out I am going to buy another XD instead of some other options I was considering.

possum
November 11, 2006, 02:47 AM
shawn 357,
thanks,i appreciate it, I was wondering what things might go aray in the far far future when i have that many rds through mine. hopefully might dosen't do that sooner with all the hell, and torture i put mine through. but i am pretty confident it will be good till i am long gone. It sounds like sa has a life long customer with you. see what great products, and great customer service will do for your business, now if more companies could get that aspect right we would be g2g.

Shawn 357
November 11, 2006, 03:00 AM
Possum,
I beat my XD pretty good and it still lasted all those rounds:D
Get this, I sent the gun back to springfield to check out the slides being loose and they refinished the upper because it had some surface rust! My XD is the SS version and had some surface rust when I sent it to SA but it didn't even dawn on me to mention it to them but they refinished the gun on there own, it looks like new! I just wish SA warranteed cars:)

possum
November 11, 2006, 03:05 AM
shawn 357,
They refinnished it for you!, yeah i heard about someone else that sent theirs back in, or called and said they would do it when ever they wanted to send it in. that is awesome, I though for sure that was one of those things,not covered because it is basic wear and tear like car tires and breaks. but that is awesome, i think i might have to give them a call. I have the blued slide model, you think they will re do it but with the melolite coating?, or would it actually have to have some rust on it for them to do it? thanks again man!

jlh26oo
November 11, 2006, 03:19 AM
Get this, I sent the gun back to springfield to check out the slides being loose and they refinished the upper because it had some surface rust! My XD is the SS version and had some surface rust when I sent it to SA but it didn't even dawn on me to mention it to them but they refinished the gun on there own, it looks like new! I just wish SA warranteed cars



XD refinishes their guns when they rust?! That's AWESOME! Based on that alone, I'm CERTAIN they'll replace the barrel with the broken feed ramp.

I have no clue WHAT customer service at GLOCK would do if one of theirs rusted. :uhoh:

CDH
November 11, 2006, 03:37 AM
Shawn357 said:
My XD still works reliably (not with wadcutters) the slides are loose causing it to shoot to the left and low a couple of inches. The trigger is also inconsistent.

Shawn, IIRC, the slides on the XD's (unlike some others) are replaceable as separate parts, and Springfield's shop does trigger work as well, so it sounds to me like if you send it back to Springfield, they could go over it and turn it's odometer back to "0".
Even it they didn't give you a break (being a loyal customer and all :) ), it would still be a less expensive way to end up with a new pistol.

My .02

Carter

Big Gay Al
November 11, 2006, 05:44 AM
If you play with plastic long enough, it breaks. ;)

HSMITH
November 11, 2006, 09:09 AM
20K rounds isn't much, less than a year for a competitive shooter. 100K is the minimum I would look for before having a serious problem needing the assistance of a professional.

armoredman
November 11, 2006, 11:10 AM
I worked on a rental range for over a year, and I saw all KINDS of big name guns take a dump. Due to that experiance alone, I will never own an HK USP, as they broke more than anything else I saw. The ones that kept on going without burping were the Ruger autos, the CZ autos, the SW revolvers, and (I HATE admitting this, but fair IS fair), the G-rocks. One G-rock DID break, but cracked the slide under the ejection port, after an estimated 200,000 rounds.
Look at how rental guns get abused - one year as a rental equals a lifetime of normal use.

Byron Quick
November 11, 2006, 11:29 AM
My select fire Uzi's feed ramp's weld has come loose and the feed ramp slides around on the frame now. Probably somewhere above 30,000 rounds. The feed ramp isn't broken. In fact it's still on the receiver, it's just loose. IMI gun

If you want a machine that will never, ever wear out-then you're in the market for one made of unobtainium that has not been designed or manufactured yet.

Even if of the highest quality, if you use it enough-you will wear it out. Sorry, fact of life.

Gunsmiths not only build custom firearms and modify production firearms. They also repair firearms. There's a reason for that training and activity.

Bart Noir
November 11, 2006, 07:48 PM
Well, if the feed ramp is really a part of the barrel, then I must be in error. They used the term "feed ramp" and the glimpse I got showed me a metal piece broken off, from about the location of the feed ramp in the 1911 design. But this must have been a surface that is just underneath the real feed ramp.

I think it might have been part of the camming surface, that move the barrel up into full lock-up with the slide. That would mean it gets a jolt every time the slide goes forward, and this is something that I would expect to maybe be the first thing to break.

Sorry about the less-than-accuracy in my post.

Bart Noir

sigma 40ve
November 12, 2006, 06:10 AM
Perhaps it was the locking block that broke. XD's have had some issues with the locking blocks cracking. SA will replace it.

If you enjoyed reading about "Shot to death.......the gun, I mean!" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!