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antagonist22
November 11, 2006, 02:45 AM
Anyone owned any Norinco (China North Industries Corporation) firearms before? I have seen them in catalogues and they are unbelievably cheap. I just doubt their quality.

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Erinyes
November 11, 2006, 02:49 AM
I have a Norinco M14 with some USGI and SA, Inc. parts. Plenty reliable, and more accurate than I am. They make some fairly decent guns. If you get one of their M14s, though, some had soft bolts so you may want to replace it.

jagdpanzer347
November 11, 2006, 08:08 AM
I've had a Mak90 since the mid-nineties. Solid performer with good finish and workmanship. Very good trigger for an AK as well. If I could find a M14 clone for a good price I would buy it in a heartbeat.

-jagd

hksw
November 11, 2006, 08:42 AM
Have a Norinco SKS. Like any product from a well established communist country, rough on the outside (as compared to comparable western offerings) but work like a Timex®.

aka108
November 11, 2006, 09:02 AM
Norinco SKS has been working good for me for the last 15 or so years. No problems and is more accurate than the AK's

bakert
November 11, 2006, 09:16 AM
I've owned a Norinco SKS for at least 15 or more yrs. Don't remember exactly. Never a problem of any kind and it's pretty darned accurate too. Only gripe I have is the trigger is kinda rough with a long drawn out pull.

rangerruck
November 11, 2006, 10:44 AM
yes, their jw 15, is a copy of the cz/brno weapons, and they are super accurate. But the wood and inletting job is usually done by a blind man, with a butter knife.

Drakejake
November 11, 2006, 11:40 AM
I suppose Norinco quality is variable. I also have a great MAK-90 which shows excellent quality. I also have an SKS-M which is not as precisely finished as my Yugo SKS but works well enough. You must look at the particular model and particular firearm.

Drakejake

Skofnung
November 11, 2006, 12:30 PM
I've had several Norinco firearms pass through my hands over the years. None have been pretty, but all have been more accurate than they had a right to be, and I don't recall any gun related malfunctions (magazine or ammo related problems notwithstanding.)

That said, I'll likley never get another one, and I'm planning on trading the one I have left off. I know it is silly, but I just can't bring myself to support Norinco's labor practices, much less the governmental system that supports them.

grimjaw
November 11, 2006, 12:52 PM
I have five Norinco SKSs. A couple of them don't look bad cosmetically, but none of them are anything to brag about. The parts will interchange between any of them (except the version that was factory built to take AK mags), although there's a little bit of play depending on what combination you use. At least two of them shoot like an SKS should. The others I don't have an opinion on because I haven't had them out for an extended period. They go bang every time and keep feeding. I don't think they're the prime example of an SKS (still think that's the Russian version) but they're OK.

I just can't bring myself to support Norinco's labor practices, much less the governmental system that supports them.

I thought Norinco firearms were no longer being imported? Any that you buy now don't send money to China, IIRC. Unless the dealer uses your money to go to Walmart, of course.

jm

Skofnung
November 11, 2006, 01:27 PM
I know they are no longer imported. I can't explain it, but holding a tool that was made by what ammounts to slave labor does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling. Like I said, I know it is silly. Perhaps I'm being too sensitive.

jaimeshawn
November 11, 2006, 01:40 PM
I have a Norinco M14S -and- a MAK90 -and- an SKS.

Fit and finish is so-so, but they always go bang and accuracy is reasonable. My dad and I bought the SKS first because we were both a bit ervous about buying a commie gun but it worked so well and the commie ammo was so cheap that I picked up the MAK90 a year later. Great fun shooting it. Almost no recoil and a great gun for bouncing beer cans. My dad used the SKS for killing gophers. It was great for that.

Then Clinton banned the cheap commie ammo for them killing all the protestors at Tinamen Square - which was a perfect political double play. It screwed Clinton's domestic enemies and let him _seem_ to be doing something without really doing anything, since they could still sell us everything else. Then they seized that 300M rounds of ammo in CA and the rifles weren't that cheap to shoot...

I got the M14 just a couple years ago. It shoots well enough. If you do score a Norinco M14S, check your headspace to check for a soft bolt - otherwise use it.

possum
November 11, 2006, 03:37 PM
i gotta norinco sks and a mak-90 as well. they both are great and they have done me well over the time i have had them. they both go bang everytime, i pull the trigger and thgey eat everything. the mak-90 especially likes the wolf 154gr sp's, that Is what it is most accurate with. i love my mak-90 and it ain't going anywhere!

MJ
November 11, 2006, 04:11 PM
Had several milled new ones in 1968 all worked fine. Got a sheet metal one in the mid 80's and several thousand rounds later it still shoots fine.


I would like one of the M14 or another 1911 copy they are super with forged receivers.

MJ
:neener:

mainmech48
November 11, 2006, 04:25 PM
My experiences with Norinco products have been generally quite positive, when one also takes the very low prices into consideration. As tools, they've been very servicable and practical.

My Type 56 (SKS) was manufactured for the commercial market here in the US, and its quality of fit, finish, and workmanship is a touch better than the run of Chinese military surplus examples I've examined. It functions perfectly, and is more accurate with its preferred ammo than any of my other specimens. I paid US $115 for it NIB w/accessories in the late '80s.

I also have one of their copies (manufactured without license from Browning, of course) of the Browning .22 TD auto. It has also proven to be quite servicable and surprisingly accurate. The quality of its fit and finish is adequate, but nowhere in the same league with the genuine article. I bought it used with one of the extractor finger broken, but otherwise in VVG-to-Excellent condition for US $35. A replacement part from Browning dropped right in with no fitting required and upped the total cost to about $50.

All-in-all, I'd agree with most of the other comments. Don't expect fine quality for your money, but it's likely that you'll get good value in terms of practical service for the price.

FYI: The reason that Norinco (which is owned and operated by the PLA) products were banned from importation into the US is that they were also selling advanced weapons manufacturing technology for ballistic missiles, nuclear devices, aircraft and submarines, along with components and expertise, to such "peaceloving" states as Iran, Iraq, North Korea, and Syria in direct violation of UN agreements and their trade agreements with the US.

Car Knocker
November 11, 2006, 05:05 PM
Not all Norinco firearms are banned from importation. For example, Davidson's has over 500 Norinco shotguns in stock.

antagonist22
November 11, 2006, 08:26 PM
Thanks for your answers. I guess I could take a look at Norinco rifles for christmas.Particularly the JW15.I might get that instead of the CZ452 I was planning on getting.This will save some money and since I am only going to use it for rabbits and possums,its longer range accuarcy wouldn't be of importance to me.

mordechaianiliewicz
November 11, 2006, 10:45 PM
Hey, in New Zealand, how much are those NORINCOs, and do you need a special license? Are they delivered to your house? Get 'em at a store? Details man. Details. In America, we haven't had NORINCO pistols or rifles importable since the early 90s.

PS

In the SHTF masturbation fantasy, it would be heavily ironic to bust a cap off in a Chinese soldier using a Chinese gun!

sailorjosh
November 11, 2006, 10:58 PM
I can't speak for new zealand, but here in canada they are super common and can be bought at (almost) any good gunstore...

rifles -

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/index-lg.shtm

handguns -

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/index-hg.shtm


The m14 clones are particularily popular, people do all sorts of mods to them..

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19215

Arcticfox
November 11, 2006, 11:31 PM
I have a Norinco SKS that I am very fond of. Finish is good, trigger is very good, and accuracy is pretty good as well. I'm not sure why some call them inferior copies. I hear that the Norinco is often times more accurate than the Yugos, and the Russians. What good is "better" workmanship on a product that gets out shot by a "lesser" rifle? For the $100 I paid for it, it's quite the bargain!

That said, I won't be parting with this rifle! Ever! :cool:

BTW, I know a guy that but a 50 rnd duck bill on his Norinco, and he claims it has never jammed on him!

antagonist22
November 11, 2006, 11:32 PM
Hey, in New Zealand, how much are those NORINCOs, and do you need a special license? Are they delivered to your house? Get 'em at a store? Details man. Details. In America, we haven't had NORINCO pistols or rifles importable since the early 90s.

Yes,in New Zealand, we can get Norinco products.

Guns like the JW103,Model 982 shotgun,JW23,JW15,JW27(as a matter of fact, all Norinco firearms) retail for around $300- $700 brand new($200 to 600 usd).

Most gun shops do not import brand new Norinco firearms that fall under the E category under the firearms act.

Refer to http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=233652

So that rules out the SKS,Mak90,etc...

But you can get mostly SKS and type 56 around here on the second hand market(people bring them into the country).They are quite popular and can be easily found in the second hand market between $300-1000(199.800 USD to 666.01 usd).Type 56 (usually E-category) can be found between $1000 to$2000(666.001 USD) while sks can be found for $700+ (466.200 USD)

Foxtrot427
November 12, 2006, 04:00 PM
I can't speak for new zealand, but here in canada they are super common and can be bought at (almost) any good gunstore...

rifles -

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/index-lg.shtm

handguns -

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/index-hg.shtm


The m14 clones are particularily popular, people do all sorts of mods to them..

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum...ad.php?t=19215damn $400 for an m-14. I wish it was like that here.

Prince Yamato
November 12, 2006, 05:11 PM
damn $400 for an m-14. I wish it was like that here.

Actually, with the exchange rate, it would be ~$365. :neener:

Foxtrot427
November 12, 2006, 09:26 PM
goddamn! I could get one for what? MAYBE $800

MilsurpShooter
November 13, 2006, 04:09 PM
I've been hunting trying to get one of the Shotguns they sell, the WWI trench broom recreation

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