AR-7 question


November 11, 2006, 02:33 PM
Were would you get a replacment pistol grip for an ar7 pistol ?
Also would it fit on the rifle ?
Is it ca legal to have a pistol grip on a rimfire rifle ?

i realy just whant to replace the bulky stock that came with it i kinda want to have a pistol grip without a stock

any links would be a big help

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B yond
November 11, 2006, 03:10 PM
Yes, an AR-7 pistol grip will fit on the rifle.
You may be able to get one on gunbroker or ebay, or at a gun show. The AR-7 pistol is out of production.

I'm under the impression that the CA AWB does not apply to rimfires, which would make it ok to put a pistol grip on your AR-7 rifle to make it an AR-7 pistol, but I'm not a lawyer so you should check it out for yourself.

This link will help:

The AR-7 and AR-20 are the same rifle with different furniture. AR-20 stocks will fit on your AR-7.

November 11, 2006, 03:26 PM
There are aftermarket folders and such, but the original AR7 Explorer II pistol had the pistol grip cast with it, was not removable, if that's what you are asking. I have a pistol and a rifle that I put a telescoping stock on. The grip is part of the frame on the pistol, will not remove. I don't know what's available now days. The explorer II was discontinued a decade or so ago.

Another note, the Explorer pistol varies from the rifle in that the notch the barrel fits into on the rifle is at the top of the barrel threads where the barrel screws on, on the pistol it's on the bottom. This is to prohibit the installation of the 6 or 8" barrel of the pistol onto the rifle frame. The grip is, as I said, cast into the frame of the pistol and grip panels of plastic installed. This is so you cannot install the rifle stock onto the pistol per BATF rules.

My rifle, does have a stock, legal length barrel.

November 11, 2006, 03:43 PM
You might want to give this one some more thought. IIRC, replacing your AR-7's buttstock with a pistol-type grip will convert it into an NFA "Any Other Weapon" ie: a "short rifle", which is in the same classification as a "sawed-off" shotgun and the Marble's "Game Getter".

The version of the AR-7 that was sold with a pistol grip was manufactured and sold as a handgun. In order for it not to be classified under the 1935 NFA, it had to be modified so that it would not accept the barrel or buttstock of the AR-7 carbine.

FWIW, "manufacturing" an NFA firearm without written permission from BATFE and obtaining the required registration and tax stamp is a felony. Good for 10 yrs or so in the non-"Club Fed" portion of a Federal prison and a five-to-six-figure fine.

November 11, 2006, 04:46 PM
never mind then thats way to much work

November 11, 2006, 04:57 PM
majestic arms makes a neat looking pistol grip stock.

B yond
November 11, 2006, 06:31 PM
wow MCgunner, i didn't even notice the notch was different, I stand corrected.

Are you sure there wasn't a version of the explorer with a removable pistol grip? I was handling one at a gun show and I could've sworn the guy said you could put a full stock on it. Not arguing, just curious.

November 11, 2006, 06:50 PM
B yond

I'm pretty sure all the pistol version's pistol grip frames are cast into the frame. At least I know mine is. However, mine is a Charter Arms, both the rifle and the explorer II pistol, and seems like the AR7 changes makers about every five years or something.:rolleyes: I'm not sure the Explorer II pistol was even built by anyone, but Charter, though. It's pretty ugly, big, and useless, LOL, just got mine cause a friend with an FFL said he was getting one for seventy bucks and did I want one? For seventy bucks, why not? LOL. It came with 8" and 6" barrels. It shoots well, accurate, but the same aweful AR7 trigger. Larry liked it because for some odd reason, he likes broom handles and thought it looked like a broom handle.:rolleyes:

I've seen folks bad mouth function of these little guns, but mine work great. I think the deal is nobody understands the way they work. These things have the feed ramp in the magazine. If it's nosing up bullets and jamming, or hanging below the chamber, just bend the feed ramp part of the magazine in or out as needed to adjust it with a pair of needle noses and you can make it work 100 percent.;)

The little guns are a lot of fun to play with and shoot and what I got my first AR7 for was because it'd disassemble and fit in a motorcycle saddle bag.

Carl N. Brown
February 6, 2007, 05:26 PM
Herter's in the 1970s used to sell guns made on the AR7 action:
.22 Thompson, M1 carbine and Broomhandle Mauser replicas.

The pistol was made and sold as a pistol.

Making a pistol out of a rifle yourself requires an approved
ATF Form 1 NFA registration.

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