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Sgt Stevo
November 12, 2006, 09:50 PM
I just got a smokin deal on a p-32 sig. Anybody have or carry this gun? whats the best defence ammo?

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cookekdjr
November 12, 2006, 10:15 PM
Stevo,
I just shot my p232 this weekend. Supposedly some of the hottest ammo you can buy is Santa Barbara, which is basically Spanish surplus. I've never chrono'd it, but it functions well and is very accurate. It's pretty interesting stuff; its neither a hp or a fmj. Its one of the few jacketed soft point sem-auto rounds I've seen. Anyway, that's what I carry. I've also heard the corbon 90gr jhp load is good. It does not expand but penetrates very well from what I have heard.
The p230 and p232 are two of the best shooting guns I've ever tried. They are very easy to shoot well. You have chosen an excellent firearm. Enjoy.
-David

19-3Ben
November 13, 2006, 01:15 AM
A year and a half ago my father gave me his p-232 as my 21st birthday present. I started carrying it as soon as I got my CCW permit, and have carried it every day for nearly a year now.

It points very naturally for me, and is remarkably accurate for such a small gun. It conceals beautifully. I keep it in an akj concealco holster.
www.concealco.com
For $55 it is the absolute best holster you will ever own. Its quality is on par with holsters costing double the price. The only downside is the 4 month wait time. But Andy Johnson does excellent work.

I like, and use Federal Hydra-shock for SD. Never had a malfunction with the stuff. Although I've only had one malfunction with Speer Gold Dot, so that seems to be good stuff as well. They are the only SD ammo that I have tried.

For purposes of penetration, when I carry, I always keep an FMJ in the chamber, backed up with a full mag of HP's.
So far, I haven't found a range ammo that this gun does not digest flawlessly. This includes WWB, Fiocchi, CCI Blaser, and S&B.
If your's does not come with the Hogue wrap-around grip with the finger grooves, I highly recommend getting one. It made a gun that already pointed very naturally, absolutely perfect for me.
Things to watch out for:
1)The mag release is slow to operate at first, but can be fixed with practice.
2)Limp wristing will cause the gun to jam. My dad limpwrists, and the gun has jammed on him before. I don't. It has never jammed on me. Unless warning #3 is not followed
3)You might want to give it a field strip every 700-800 rounds. I've found that when you get to the point where the feed ramp is jet black, and caked in burnt powder, the gun can stovepipe. Picky blowback guns. go figure.;)

All together, I'd say I've fired... i dunno. I'll conservatively say 1700 rounds through the gun, and I've had 3 jams. All of which were due to it being so dirty it was insane. It's a great gun. I trust my life to it every day. Enjoy!!!

Here's my review of it on my other forum:

http://www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/14096/

usp9
November 13, 2006, 08:38 AM
I just got a smokin deal on a p-32 sig. Anybody have or carry this gun? whats the best defence ammo?


I've had my P232 for a few months now. It has become my main carry in a perfectly fitting Galco Fletch...very comfortable. My carry ammo is Cor Bon DPX, a penetrating copper HP that is pretty hot. I'd feel perfectly at ease with Gold Dots or Winchester Silver Tips also, both reliable brands.

This gun has become a favorite of mine. It points naturally, has good sights, shows excellent accuracy, has so far been 100% reliable, and at 16.8 ounces it carries easily.

What was the "smokin deal", maybe we can smoke together? I bumped into mine while window shopping at one of the local gun stores. I saw a blue 232 for five something, a stainless for six something, then he pulls out a titanium rainbow for $400. :what: My first question, "Why so low?" I guess the color just wasn't popular and it sat there too long and the owner wanted to move it.

Sgt Stevo
November 13, 2006, 04:34 PM
smokin deal, $425 for the blued version. LC action police supply. san Jose ca. Ask for Kip. He owns the place.

This thing aint my detonices 9-11-01, but it feels nice, and I will keep it closer.

4719
November 14, 2006, 06:07 AM
I carried a P232 off duty for a couple of years. It was a nice gun. But I have to share an experience with you....

I used to carry it in an Alessi ankle holster. It was very secure and comfortable. (Allessi makes some great stuff - I highly recommend it) Anyway, I'm walking down the street one day, with my P232 on my ankle. When all of a sudden, the base plate slips off the base of the magazine. Naturally, the spring, rounds, and follower pop out of the weapon and scatter all over the sidewalk.:eek::what: :uhoh:

Fortunately, nobody was around to see this. I had just cleaned the gun, including the magazines. I must have not secured the base plates properly.

Enjoy your new Sig.:)

FWIW,

Jim

Captain Bligh
November 19, 2006, 12:55 AM
I have a p232 and don't like it much. Pros are slim profile for concealability and reasonable accuracy. Cons: Slide bite and grip comfort for my hand.

Lightsped
April 11, 2007, 06:11 PM
Where can I find one of the Titanium Rainbow Sig 232s that were made in 2005/2006?

loplop
April 11, 2007, 06:13 PM
Watch Gunbroker, and beat me to the punch :neener:

usp9
April 11, 2007, 06:45 PM
I just put some Nill grips on it and I love it.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/sigandnill.jpg

GrooveHolmes
April 11, 2007, 07:09 PM
Capt Bligh - since you don't care for your p232, how about I do you a favor and take it off your hands for cheap...:neener:

Sgt Stevo - I used to live in Campbell off of Union in the Woodleaf. Howdy, ex-neighbor!

littlelefty
April 11, 2007, 07:52 PM
UGH! you guys are killing me. I carry a full size 1911 as it's my only piece but I sure do like the looks of those P232s. What a beauty of a smaller piece that would be for times when the 1911 get difficult to carry!

Any other lefties out there with one? How do you do with it? I see the mag release on the left, which I don't think would bother me since that's where it is on the 1911 and I just use my trigger finger on it after emptying the mag with the trigger.

AK103K
April 11, 2007, 08:08 PM
The 230/232 has a "heel" mag release. The lever in the above pic is the decocker.

I have a couple of the P230's and have always liked them. You can pick them up a bit cheaper than the 232's, and often in almost new condition. I paid $250 and $300 for mine, and both were in "as new" condition.

I'm a little surprised by the "they bite" comment. Its usually the PPK's you hear that about. The SIG has no sharp edges or points like the Walthers. I've owned both and always found the 230's grip to be very comfortable, and one of the reasons the lighter 230 is much more comfortable, and easier to shoot well with over the heavier Walthers.

littlelefty
April 11, 2007, 09:22 PM
"The lever in the above pic is the decocker"
You're not helping me at all. That just makes me want one even more:banghead:
But than again, maybe that's good:D

Shipwreck
April 11, 2007, 11:29 PM
I've been tempted to buy one a few times. Very nice looking :)

mrgrinch
April 12, 2007, 01:43 AM
USP9, where did you pick up those grips and how much do they run? They look so much better than the black plastic stock grips on my P232.

Lightsped
April 12, 2007, 01:58 AM
What is the difference in a 230 vs a 232? What about a 232"SL"?

AK103K
April 12, 2007, 07:35 AM
Theres not a whole lot of difference between the two. Grips and weight of the stainless models probably the most notable. The P230 was also available in .32ACP.

Personally, I like the looks of the P230's better. Never liked the P232's grips.

P230
http://www.remtek.com/arms/sig/model/230/230.gif

P232
http://sigarms.com/images/catalog/product/232_Blk_left.jpg

1911 guy
April 12, 2007, 09:15 AM
My wife carries a p232. She's pretty petite and it hides very well for her. Due to penetration issues, she alternates hardball and HP's in it. I tried talking her into getting a 9mm, but she picked up that little SIG and fell in love with it. No problems with it, either. I do the cleaning, but she strips and lubes it once in a while and it keeps right on running for her. It does kinda point nice, too.

aubie515
April 12, 2007, 10:08 AM
I owned one a few years ago. It was the first pistol I ever bought. I liked that it was a Sig and it was built well, but I didn't like the recoil for the 380. I ended up selling it years later because I didn't enjoy shooting it. I have owned other 380s since and can say that I like the Makarov and Bersa 380s a lot better than the 230 that I owned.

usp9
April 12, 2007, 10:30 AM
USP9, where did you pick up those grips and how much do they run? They look so much better than the black plastic stock grips on my P232.

The grips I bought about a month ago from Sigarms for $99. Buy the correct screws at the same time, the original ones aren't long enough.

Coronach
April 12, 2007, 02:11 PM
I have no idea what the difference between a P230 and a P232 is...they're basically the same gun, with the P232 being the newer version.

Ammo: Hydrashoks work well for me. 100% feeding reliability.

As to the gun itself:

Pro

Soft recoil
Excellent pointability
Great ergos
Decent trigger
Reliability
Looks like a million bucks (a small plus, but a plus)
Fullsize grip (I hate pinkie dangle, or guns that are too small to shoot with a "proper" grip)

Con

Large for its caliber and capacity
.380 caliber ... not exactly anemic, but not exactly a blockbuster, either.
DA/SA (might be a pro for some)
Heel mag release (not a huge deal)

The very things that make it so pleasant to shoot are liabilities in some ways. I have no problems concealing it, however, and my major concerns are accuracy/shootability and how well I can carry it.

Mike

usp9
April 12, 2007, 05:43 PM
What is the difference in a 230 vs a 232? What about a 232"SL"?

The only differences I know of are the grips panels are different in the 230 and 232, but may be interchangable.

The slide serrations are more numerous in the 230 than the 232.

Both came in .32 and .380. The 230 also came in a rare 9mm Ultra or Police caliber.

Magazines are interchangable. There are probably some very sight internal differences.

The 232sl is the stainless model, sometimes marked as ss.

Kestrel
April 12, 2007, 05:55 PM
I was wondering the difference between the P230 and P232, myself. I like the looks of the P230, but I don't know if they had any problems that were addressed with the P232.

Anyone else know?

tydephan
April 12, 2007, 06:02 PM
I was wondering the difference between the P230 and P232, myself. I like the looks of the P230, but I don't know if they had any problems that were addressed with the P232.

Anyone else know?

My local gunstore owner said, during a discussion several months ago, the P232 was redesigned because people didn't like the mag release being in the heel of the gun. He said it was redesigned so the mag release was in the "standard" position. :banghead:

Obviously...that is not correct, as I learned shortly thereafter. :scrutiny: It really pays to do your own research, as this isn't the only time he just made something up when he didn't know what he was talking about!!!

I found the following quote from a 2003 THR thread on the P232 vs P230.

FWIW.
The primary differences between the 230 and newer 232 are that the slide serrations on the 232 are wider and the grips are different.

Coronach
April 13, 2007, 05:12 PM
Obviously...that is not correctIt sounds like he confused the Sig P230/232 series with the HK P7/P7M8 series. The P7 (and PSP) had a heel release, but the P7M8 sports a release in the American position.

Interestingly enough, the P7 is about the same size as the P232, carries more rounds, and the rounds are 9mm. If I was allowed to carry my P7, I would faaaaaaar prefer it to the P232, pretty much for those reasons (and the sweet trigger).

That said, I like my P232 as well.

Mike

tydephan
April 13, 2007, 05:32 PM
It sounds like he confused the Sig P230/232 series with the HK P7/P7M8 series. The P7 (and PSP) had a heel release, but the P7M8 sports a release in the American position.

Fascinating. I never made that correlation.

I'd be ecstatic with the P7 of the P7M8. But I need my kidneys and can't seem to get enough money just selling plasma. :D

usp9
April 13, 2007, 05:53 PM
It sounds like he confused the Sig P230/232 series with the HK P7/P7M8 series. The P7 (and PSP) had a heel release, but the P7M8 sports a release in the American position.

Interestingly enough, the P7 is about the same size as the P232, carries more rounds, and the rounds are 9mm. If I was allowed to carry my P7, I would faaaaaaar prefer it to the P232, pretty much for those reasons (and the sweet trigger).

That said, I like my P232 as well.

Mike


I carry either a P232 or P7 PSP (depending on my mood), and I can vouch that they are very similar in "carriability". The only difference is in the weight, as the P7 is a good bit heftier. Both guns are excellent CCW choices.

Coronach
April 13, 2007, 09:08 PM
Yeah, I was sitting there one day, fiddling with the P7 and stewing about the fact that my PD would not approve it for OD carry. I was thinking, "you know, this is almost as small as my P232." And you know? It is. I forget the exact dimensions, but it is REALLY close.

Mike

Holydoc
June 17, 2007, 02:02 AM
I posted this in the Sig thread as well but I am so happy with it, I just had to show off my new baby here too. Bought her on Thursday. Took her out to the range on Friday. Here is a picture of the first shots out of this gun:

http://members.cox.net/holydoc/Gun/Sig%20P232%20with%20Target.jpg

This was at 20 yards (the closest our gun range allows). This is by far the most accurate little gun I have shot right out of the box. I was surprising myself with each shot. This is my first sig and I am very happy. :)

Baba Louie
June 17, 2007, 09:12 AM
I remember reading that minor redesign and designation from 230 to 232 based on .32 acp req't for Japanese police agencies. Maybe the .380 wasn't adequate or perhaps it was too much power or too few rounds? I've never seen a 232 in .32acp. I think Marko wrote something about it in a thread back in 2003 or 04. Manual safety as well as a lanyard loop? :confused:

I'd like to see a side by side comparison, range report, etc between a PPK, CZ83 and SIG 232 some day. Maybe throw in a Colt .380 for grins and snickers since it operates differently (locked breech vs blow back).

AK103K
June 17, 2007, 09:32 AM
There was a P230 in .32 as you describe. I passed on one a couple of years back that was $400. Wish now I grabbed it, as I havent seen one since and of course now I want one. :)

usp9
June 17, 2007, 09:35 AM
My PPK experience is from a while ago but as I remember the gun was accurate enough, easy to conceal, well made of excellent quality, with the worst DA trigger I'd ever used. The SA trigger was fine. I did carry for a short time. I'd rate them a B+.

The CZ 83 is a pretty good gun overall. They are more accurate than expected, reliable, have decent sights and no huge drawbacks. They are however heavy, heavier than any other in your list. Rated B.

The Sig P232 is a very nice CCW. It features a slim profile, good trigger in DA or SA, excellent accuracy, and one of the most natural pointers out there. Night sights available and that's a plus. The profile is very clean with only the decocker lever and it is very close to the grip. Available in alloy/steel, alloy/stainless, or stainless/stainless with several grip options. You can "have it your way". Takes a good effort to rack the slide and some may find it too hard. Rate it A.

Had the oppotunity to shoot the little Colt last week so the experience is slight but my impression is that it was a perfect size, had mild recoil, useless sights, small magazine capacity (6) and was not very accurate. Ishot my Seecamp better than the Colt. That aspect was very disappointing. Because they are very expensive I rate the Colt a B-.

The Beretta 84/85 is also a "A" as well as the hard to find Sphinx AT380.

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