10mm Auto
BlkHawk73
May 20, 2003, 10:26 PM
Over the last few weeks, I've noticed a number of posts regarding the 10mm. Many are people in favor of having existing models produced in this cartridge. Surely there are people from the manufacturers that browse the various boards, so do you think they'll notice the interest and act on it? ;) Could there be a resurgance of the 10mm? :)
I'm neither for nor against the cartridge, but did always wish I bought one of the Colt Dbl Eagles. Always liked the look of it.
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Quintin Likely
May 20, 2003, 10:47 PM
I'll own a pistol chambered in 10mm someday, probably one of the Glocks, just so I can say I've got one... :D
Lone_Gunman
May 20, 2003, 10:52 PM
Supposedly Kimber will make a 10 mm soon ....
At least they will if you believe what u read on the net.
Not holding my breath, but I will buy all of them I can find.
euclid
May 20, 2003, 11:18 PM
I couldn't imagine a better platform for the 10mm auto than the CZ 97B. If CZ would ever produce it, I would TWO; one shooter, one safe queen.
poof...
QuarterBoreGunner
May 21, 2003, 12:44 AM
I have an original FBI issue Smith & Wesson 1076; more for 'cool' factor than anything else. I really like the 10mm cartridge and think that if it was a more popular choice for personal defense firearm and more stats were compiled, we'd see that it was a very effective round for personal defense.
I’ve always liked the Glock 20 as a 10mm platform and have lust in my heart for a Colt Delta Elite.
If it was possible in this state I love to see an Auto Ordnance Thompson made with matte stainless steel and black synthetic furniture in 10mm.
Now that would be rockin’ good times!
Handy
May 21, 2003, 01:21 AM
One of the best 10mm's out there costs less than $400. The Witness is a very good, accurate gun.
DougB
May 21, 2003, 03:45 AM
I would certainly welcome (and buy) more 10mm options. For example:
- SW99 in 10mm (not too big a leap, since they make a .45).
- HS USP Compact in 10mm.
- CZ in 10mm (though I'd really prefer something smaller and lighter than the CZ 97B).
In fact, I'd like almost any medium weight and size traditional double-action semi-auto. I don't have much interest in a 1911 or DAO 10mm, or a revolver (not to knock anyone's preference - they just aren't my favorite actions).
Doug
Mike Irwin
May 21, 2003, 11:50 AM
Another satisfied Witness ownere here.
I just wish someone would come out with a light, inexpensive lever action or semi-auto carbine in 10mm
litework
May 21, 2003, 12:44 PM
My Glock 20 arrives today. I would love to see this caliber make a strong come back.
jem375
May 21, 2003, 01:28 PM
I have a Witness 10MM compact on layaway until my permit to buy arrives by mail...........also Dan Wesson makes the 10MM, and after buying a Pointman Major and seeing how accurate that 45 is, I will probably buy the 10MM also later........
thisaway
May 21, 2003, 06:50 PM
I have two: a Glock 20 purchased in '91, and a S&W M610-2 purchased either last year or the year before last. I shoot the Glock 20 more than every other handgun I own!
Rob Pincus
May 21, 2003, 09:14 PM
I'm a huge 10mm fan...
I'll own a Bren eventually for the novelty of it, but I haven't gotten around to dropping the cash yet.
I have 2 Witness 10mm's (one full, one compact), 2 Glock 20's, a 610 and 1 Colt.
I think the USP would probably lends itself best to the 10mm of all the platforms mentioned so far for a "new" 10mm chambering.
Personally, I'd like to see a Sig 220 chambered in 10mm...
sanchezero
May 21, 2003, 11:12 PM
I have a 10mm Kimber Pro Carry.
:D
Doc
May 21, 2003, 11:37 PM
help me: "Witness"
who makes dat?
link?
thx
NordicG3K
May 21, 2003, 11:40 PM
http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/2689033.jpg
:D
Mal H
May 21, 2003, 11:52 PM
Doc - European American Armory (EAA) (http://www.eaacorp.com/index.shtml) makes (or imports) the Witness models.
nvrquit
May 22, 2003, 07:00 PM
... manufactured in Italy by Tanfoglio. The worst thing that you can do is to disparage a basically good design by calling it an EAA Witness. EAA is the importer and servicing agent for Witness pistol models that are imported into the USA.
Nice design that's aclone of the general CZ planform, but has some interior functional design changes. Still fits like a CZ. Just wish the servicing agent was more "customer oriented". But then with the history I(and more than a few others) have in dealing with EAA, my persoanl "opinion" may be a bit coloured.
NordicG3K,
Oooooo, I'm still turn'in green... that Oly 10mm is sweeet!
isaidme
May 22, 2003, 07:26 PM
I can say for certain that colt has NO plans to reintroduce the Delta Elite or anything else in 10mm!I just bought a stainless delta elite so im not worried anymore:neener:
Sorry,Im just so happy with my purchase:D
agtman
May 22, 2003, 08:02 PM
10mm in titanium?
Okay, recently at a local shop the owner showed me his latest "hot" item, a 4" S&W .44 mag with nice rosewood grips (w/ finger grooves) that's feather light due to its titanium frame.
I forget the model number (349?). He had exactly one in stock, so I was somewhat lost on why he considered it a "hot" handgun. Still, it was quite the looker with the finish and the nice grips. And the selling point was, of course, it's a big .44 magnum that carries like a Chief's Special for easy portability during all your extended outings in the boonies.
But in a titanium revolver the .44's recoil has to be painfully abusive, which got me thinking about titanium's application in autoloaders, where at least you've got the possibility of stiff springs to control felt recoil.
Just thinking out loud, but what if Smith brought out a limited run of 10mm pistols made, in whole or in part, of titanium - using as the pattern for the run, say, the 4.25" model 1066?
Any interest in something like this?
CZ-100
May 22, 2003, 08:13 PM
Ive have a Colt Delta Elite and LOVE it. :D
But it sure is expensive to shoot... ~$20/box 50 :mad:
Gotta love the 9mm
NordicG3K
May 22, 2003, 08:39 PM
Agtman, I think titanium could be a good choice for an autoloader frame, but I don't think it would work for the slide in a fast cycling caliber like the 10mm. Heavier springs will slow down the slide, but then you start to get increased battering on the other end as the slide slams back into battery. Personally I don't mind a little extra weight as long as I've got a good rig to carry it in.
agtman
May 22, 2003, 08:49 PM
Nordic:
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. It would probably have to be only partly titanium, and then only in the frame.
And you're right - usually in all-steel guns the trade-off for gaining some recoil-dampening effect over an "energetic" cartridge is a heavier autoloader, not a lighter one. :)
Helio
May 22, 2003, 09:19 PM
10mm is my favorite caliber, and I've never even fired one! I guess I just thought Miami Vice was really cool back in the day.
Looks like Shooter's Arms (http://www.shootersarms.com.ph/pistols.html#) is coming out with their inexpensive 1911s in 10mm!
I'd be interested to see how one of these would hold up. :cool:
MikeD29
May 22, 2003, 10:23 PM
Anyone have any info on the Shooters guns?? They do not list any pricing.
Any experience with them, durability etc.??
What I would really like to see is a commander or CCO 10mm from someone. I have a DW Razorback on order. Myself and others are lobbying DW to do a 10mm in the Commander or CCO, hopefully.
isaidme, congrats on the new Delta, I just got one myself.
CZ100, try www.georgia-arms.com better than $20/50.
blades67
May 22, 2003, 11:49 PM
CZ-100, If you start reloading you could shoot for a couple of hours on $20 worth of handloaded 10mm.:cool: My Glock 20 hasn't fired anything I didn't load in over a year because of my Dillon RL550B.
Flashpoint
May 23, 2003, 12:20 AM
Who developed the 10MM, when and why?:confused:
NordicG3K
May 23, 2003, 01:38 AM
The 10mm Auto, as we know it today, was originally developed for the Bren Ten by Dornaus & Dixon Enterprises with technical advice and assistance from Jeff Cooper. There have been numerous .40 caliber wildcats developed for semiautos, but probably the person most deserving of the credit is Whit Collins. He was working on a .40 caliber cartridge to use in a modified Browning Hi-Power. Jeff Cooper heard about the project and joined in. Whit Collins eventually got involved in other projects and it was about this time that Dornaus & Dixon contacted Jeff Cooper about their ideas for the "ideal combat auto." The rest, as they say, is history!
CZ-100
May 23, 2003, 08:39 AM
Anyone have any info on the Shooters guns?? They do not list any pricing.
Any experience with them, durability etc.??
What I would really like to see is a commander or CCO 10mm from someone. I have a DW Razorback on order. Myself and others are lobbying DW to do a 10mm in the Commander or CCO, hopefully.
isaidme, congrats on the new Delta, I just got one myself.
CZ100, try www.georgia-arms.com better than $20/50.
how does this ammo from Georgia arms shoot? There priced are good.
CZ-100
May 23, 2003, 08:40 AM
CZ-100, If you start reloading you could shoot for a couple of hours on $20 worth of handloaded 10mm. My Glock 20 hasn't fired anything I didn't load in over a year because of my Dillon RL550B.
Yes this is true, but I just don;t have the time for that.
agtman
May 23, 2003, 06:01 PM
Georgia Arms 10mm.
Shoots great. Priced very reasonably.
I've now gone thru several cases of the 180gn FMJs, and about a case or so of their 155gn and 180gn Gold Dot HPs.
The accuracy of the Gold Dots is excellent, perfect for duty or personal defensive use. The 180gn FMJs are great for plinking and practice.
HTH. :)
michiganfan
May 24, 2003, 02:36 PM
I love my Witness 10mm. Got it from CDNN for 329 plus a 25 ffl fee. Just shot it today. Another 100 without a hitch.
Gordy Wesen
May 28, 2003, 10:59 PM
Has anyone here actually shot a Razorback?
How id it go? Accuracy. Function....???
MikeD29
May 29, 2003, 06:34 PM
Gordy,
Go to www.1911forum.com and there is a Dan Weson forum, plenty of reviews. There have been some growing pains with a few, buy DW has taken care of them in a timely fashion.
JohnKSa
May 31, 2003, 11:44 PM
http://www.gunmasterinc.com/home/
2 hi-cap Glock 20 mags, used, excellent condition. $70 apiece.
They had four this morning. Now I'm $140 poorer... :(
12-34hom
June 1, 2003, 08:18 PM
I have #004, I've had some issues with it's performance, but DW sevice is outstanding.
I would rate the gun overall performance at an 8.
Fit, finish, accuracy = 10.
There have been feeding problems and also with the sites.
These problems are minor ones at best.
12-34hom.
raz-0
June 2, 2003, 02:06 PM
I couldn't imagine a better platform for the 10mm auto than the CZ 97B. If CZ would ever produce it, I would TWO; one shooter, one safe queen.
Man, when the 10mm came out, I wasn't old enough to buy a handgun, and I wanted one a lot. Then I got older, and the cost of both the guns (well mostly I lusted over the delta elite) and the ammo never really got cheaper (heck it got more expensive).
But a 97b in 10mm with teh nice blued finish for a similar price...
I'd be owning a 10mm
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