[starsandstriper]

I am new to blackpowder and am looking for a cheep starter (in line) deer gun. I have decided that the CVA buckhorn looks good for the price, any comments on this gun. One last thing i wanted to know is what i would need as far as acessories to shoot and care for this rifle (what are disks for and does this rifle need them):confused: .
P.S. We have plenty of 209 primers from shotgun reloading.
thanks in advance for you input. :o :o

[dispatch55126]

go traditional!!!

[dispatch55126]

Forgot the pic

[mrelijahgardner]

An inline is good to get started with. Get some 777 Pellets, Bullets, Some Traditions Orange Cleaner, A tool to remove the primers is defiantly a plus.

I like to use saboted bullets. I know this could bring up some debate, it's just what I like to use.

[dpote]

I would have to agree with Dispatch. Traditional is really the way to go when starting out. You learn a lot of the basics that translate over to the inline. I think only the Knight inline rifles use the discs. The discs hold the 209 primer.
For this rifle you will need a bore mop and brush, a jag, a bullet puller, bore butter for cleaning. The ram rod is threaded to accept the mop and other tools. Shooting is going to be tricky. It has a 1:28 twist which means sabots. These can be expensive, as they are handgun bullets with plastic sleeves. I have not shot patched balls through an inline. A traditional style has a 1:48 twist which is the "compromise" twist. Patched balls, conicals and sabots can be fired with acceptable accuracy.
Tradional styled muzzleloaders can be had for very cheap. CVA Bobcats were going for $60 at Wal-Mart before being discontinued. Used ones are now fetching $100. If you want to try a traditional style, scour the pawn shops. Take a bore light, though as any rust in the bore makes a great bargaining angle. As long as the rust isn't bad, it can be scrubbed out.

Dave

[dispatch55126]

I'm split. I will only use traditional as I believe something like a CVA to too much a modern rifle and defeats the purpose of blackpowder shooting in the first place. I will admit, however, if you know nothing about it and do not want to take the time to learn the details, then go with what "mrelijahgardner" said. As for my Hawkens, its all about the nostelgia. I feel anyone can pickup a CVA and will little knowledge, stuff a few pellets and a sabot down the barrel, stuff a shotgun primer in the back and pull the trigger. With the traditional, I use 90 gr. Goex Pinnacle loose powder measured and poured down the barrel. I then take a patch and round ball and press that down the barrel, put a percussion cap on the nipple and it MAY shoot. If it doesn't, then I did something wrong...though I cheat and always carry a nipple wrench and a frizzen primer. 4F below the nipple works every time.:D

[starsandstriper]

i want to get some kit guns and older style guns in the future, but i want to learn the basics with a more user friendly gun first. Thanks for the advice and keep it coming, it is very helpful.:)

[enkindler]

Even the traditional models are pretty easy to use, even flintlocks are easy after your figure out how to make it actually spark. Actually the hardest part about flintlocks is finding real black powder to use in the pan these days. Anyway all of them are fun but if you ever plan on hunting with it I would look at the state regulations. In Washington state hunting with a 209 rifle is strictly verboten unless you use it in the modern season.