Does a detatcheable shoulder stock for a Glock pistol require a Federal Stamp?


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The Real Hawkeye
November 16, 2006, 05:42 PM
I always thought that would be a good use for that hole in the bottom of Glock pistols, and recently someone has made a nice little shoulder stock for it. I've always figured it wasn't being done because it would be illegal without some kind of Federal tax stamp. Does it require this, or can you just buy one and put it on? Thanks. http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com/glockstock.html

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cslinger
November 16, 2006, 05:44 PM
Yep, turns it into a short barrel rifle.

wdlsguy
November 16, 2006, 05:48 PM
Glock shoulder stock. Polymer. This will fit on all glocks, except (20,21,26,27,30,33). Makes your pistol an SBR.

http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com/accessories.html

highlander 5
November 16, 2006, 05:50 PM
and without the proper permits turns you into a felon

GRIZ22
November 16, 2006, 05:58 PM
Definitely illegal. Legal under Federal Law are shoulder stocks for black powder guns and C&R guns that were orginally equipped with one. The way I uderstand it if you have a Mauser, Luger, Radom, Browning HP, or one of those guns originally designed to use one you can even if it's a replica. You can't change the mainspring housing on a modern Browning HP and use a shlouder stock on it. You can replace the mainspring housing on a HP made in the 30s and use it.

Of course you would have to check on your state laws.

Places selling these shoulder stocks for Glocks seem to be legal as long as there are no Glocks in the building. Its like those dealers that would sell M2 carbine kits minus one part you could buy somewhere else.

Stay away from this stuff as all it can get you is a job making license plates in a Federal pen.

wdlsguy
November 16, 2006, 05:59 PM
You wouldn't need a $200 tax stamp if you installed a 16" (or longer) barrel at the same time.

Zundfolge
November 16, 2006, 06:00 PM
I don't know about those guys, but Impulse Gun Barrels of Austria makes a carbine set for Glock and Steyr pistols that includes a 16" replacement barrel (I have one for my Steyr M40).

So as long as you buy one with a 16" barrel, and always assemble it in the right order (barrel on first), you're fine without a tax stamp.

http://www.impulsegunbarrels.com/

you can order stuff here:
http://www.igbaustria.com/catalog/index.php?language=en

http://www.impulsegunbarrels.com/onlinekatalog-nov03/images/slide0019_image103a.gif

CleverNickname
November 17, 2006, 01:55 AM
The way I uderstand it if you have a Mauser, Luger, Radom, Browning HP, or one of those guns originally designed to use one you can even if it's a replica.

Both the pistol and the stock have to be original. The C&R list gives an list of which pistols can use original shoulder stocks w/o being title II.

Keith Wheeler
November 17, 2006, 11:13 AM
Ok guys, I'm getting ticky on this one....

But

1) Making a "Short Barreled Rifle", a title II "NFA" weapon is not illegal. You have to pay a $200 tax though. Just like silencers, destructive devices, etc aren't illegal. You just have to pay a tax to make or transfer ownership. Making a short barreled rifle without paying the tax is illegal. Huge difference.
(note: this is at the federal level, SBRs may be illegal at the local level in some places)

2) Filing a Form 1 to make an SBR is not a "permit", it is paying a tax for the creation of this NFA item.

The Form 1 with the canceled stamp sent back to you is not a "permit", it is proof of tax paid on the firearm. Having a Form 1/4 with that stamp is nothing like having a concealed carry permit from your state. A CC permit/license is exactly that, a permit or license. A $200 series 1934 NFA tax stamp is proof that you paid a tax.

The reason I am ticky about this is because there's a lot of just plain incorrect info floating around out there about title II items, and if we are going to get these laws changed, we need to have a good understanding of what they are.

Personally I wouldn't own a stock for a pistol even with a 16" barrel without filing the form 1, it's just safer that way.

GunGeek
November 17, 2006, 12:52 PM
The following item from the store might be considered illegal under the Geneva Convention believe it or not.

http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com/firstaid.html

Keith Wheeler
November 17, 2006, 12:57 PM
The following item from the store might be considered illegal under the Geneva Convention believe it or not.

So are the JHP rounds I keep for my 9mms. Good thing private citizens aren't signatories to the conventions, huh?

GunGeek
November 17, 2006, 01:07 PM
Actually the rules on JHP are durring times of war.... the rules on the red Cross/Cresent I believe are in affect at ALL times, and the Red Cross symbol is copyrighted in the US by the American Red Cross.

Not trying to highjack the thread, was just a food for thought thing.

CoachVince
November 17, 2006, 01:34 PM
So what are the legalities of the MechTech CCU then?
They have new barrels that come with 'em, right?

mortdooley
November 17, 2006, 01:36 PM
I have a C&R pistol with a stock and in the real world they aren't worth the trouble. My accuracy doesn't improve and the action is too close to my face.

dogtown tom
November 17, 2006, 05:33 PM
Posted by GRIZ22: You can't change the mainspring housing on a modern Browning HP and use a shlouder stock on it. You can replace the mainspring housing on a HP made in the 30s and use it.

Hi Power's don't have a mainspring housing. The mainspring is contained inside the frame. The backstrap of the grip frame is milled out to allow for attachment of the stock lug.

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