Crappy glock trigger pull?


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Cheeseybacon
November 16, 2006, 08:59 PM
I finally have my permit and now I'm thinking about a sub-compact 9mm for carrying. A friend of mine in LE has a GLOCK 33 in .357 SIG which uses the same frame as the gun that I am considering, the GLOCK 26. He says they're a great gun and all, but the trigger pull in his opinion is unnecessarally hard due to the DAO/Safe Action. Any truth to this? I don't get to see the guy all that often, otherwise I would just try his 33 out and see for myself. Does the trigger pull really suck that bad?

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10-Ring
November 16, 2006, 09:02 PM
REALLY? IMO, the Glock trigger is diff't than most others out there but definitely you can learn it & master it...like I always say, there's no substitute for trigger time! ;)

daysleeprx
November 16, 2006, 09:06 PM
I think Glock triggers can be easily adjusted with an aftermarket connector.

Correct me if I'm wrong Glockers!

Froggy
November 16, 2006, 09:12 PM
Standard trigger pull on a GLOCK is 5.5 lbs.

You also can find them with (I believe) 3.5 lb triggers and the so called "NY trigger" at 12 lbs. If you are ordering one new from the distributor, specify your choice. And, yes, it is the connector that makes the difference.

Cheeseybacon
November 16, 2006, 09:17 PM
Why are the 12lb triggers called NY triggers? :confused:

Froggy
November 16, 2006, 09:19 PM
As I understand the story, the NYPD wanted a trigger pull that approximated that on the revolvers previously carried. Their concern was that the stress involved in the use of sidearms could too easily lead to ND if the trigger pull was too light. They had Glock design a trigger that met their needs before they would contract the buy.

georgeduz
November 16, 2006, 09:28 PM
( Does the trigger pull really suck that bad?) NO. sure its not as good as 1911,s but i would not say it sucks.i have a mod30 for my 120lb wife and she loves it.after all it still alot better than those double action autos.

GRIZ22
November 16, 2006, 09:29 PM
Froggy's right. The agency I retired from wanted a heavier trigger and Glock made up an 8 lb. I never had any problem with it and although I could change the trigger on the G26 I carried I left the 8 lb. Your friend might the NY or NY plus which is 12 lb and gives a long pull like a revolver. The 5.5 is fine. The 3,5 lb trigger is really for competition and not really desirable for a carry gun.

SDC
November 16, 2006, 09:34 PM
It's like learning to shoot a DA revolver, only with a lighter pull. The "rated" pulls on the connectors are somewhat misleading, since a 3.5 connector won't actually give you a 3.5 pound trigger (mine gave me a 5.5 pound pull after a bit of polishing, so it remained legal for IPSC Production).

Dienekes
November 16, 2006, 09:51 PM
Yes, it does.

jdmb03
November 16, 2006, 09:56 PM
Lightest is 3.5 pounds
Factory is 5.5 pounds
NY1 is 8 pounds
NY2 is 12 pounds

I find the factory pull to be very smooth. I personally wouldn't put a 3.5 spring in a carry gun.

Cheeseybacon
November 16, 2006, 10:03 PM
Wow, that's really interesting. I had no idea that Glocks had factory options for so many different trigger pulls. Being as my friend is in LE I guess it is possible that he has a NY trigger. That would probably explain his distain for the extra hard tigger.

CPshooter
November 16, 2006, 10:29 PM
I installed a rocket 3.5lbs connector along w/ the smooth glock trigger and it has made a HUGE difference, but i still think the Glock trigger is poorly designed inthe first place. I don't like that they are made with plastic, so i even ordered a nice, smooth aluminum trigger from some website and it also was a bad choice..especially for 100 dollars. The safety in the center of the trigger was actually much too wide so when you pulled the trigger you felt the center pad of your finger actually falling INTO the groove where the safety pivots in. This felt worse than the thin, uncomfortable, stock trigger safety. Basically, you can get the glock trigger light and even pretty short w/ any aftermarket trigger parts, but the damn things still hurt your finger after 150 rounds of shooting. My G19 w/ the 3.5lbs trigger pull and the smooth trigger from Glock(still plastic and crappy though) feels ok, but the totally stock trigger setup i have on my G27 carry gun makes it painful to shoot. I also think the trigger angle makes it a pain in the rear to shoot accurately, but I'm a picky person and alot of other people might think im way off here. My opinion i guess...

A 1911(of course), a sig, H&K, or even an XD offer a much more pleasant shooting experience when it comes to the trigger pull than a Glock does.

GunNut
November 16, 2006, 10:42 PM
Keep the trigger stock and practice dry firing.

The trigger is very easy to get used to and is actually pretty good once you get used to it.

It's a CCW weapon, so you will be well served with a 5-8lb trigger pull. If it were a competition gun, then a lighter trigger pull would be better.

All of my Glock's are equipped with factory triggers and all of them are still more accurate than me.

Steve

Cheeseybacon
November 16, 2006, 11:09 PM
It's a CCW weapon, so you will be well served with a 5-8lb trigger pull. If it were a competition gun, then a lighter trigger pull would be better.

You know, I never thought about it, but I think you're right. This gun will be carried often but probably seldom fired, so a very light trigger would make the gun more likely to accidentally fire if the trigger got snagged on something. Looks like a 5.5 or 8lb trigger is what I need.

Froggy
November 16, 2006, 11:29 PM
Yep, stay away from the light trigger if it is to be a carry gun.

I have the standard 5.5 lb trigger on my G19. As others have said, the Glock trigger takes a little getting used to, but mine (at least) is pretty smooth. If you like everything else about the Glock, you shouldn't let the reputation of a "crappy" trigger scare you away from it until you try it for yourself.

If you are not yet firmly set on the Glock, you might try a few other subcompacts for fit and feel while you are at it.

flip180
November 16, 2006, 11:34 PM
After taking two defensive pistol courses with my Glock and with a third comming up next month, the trigger is actually quite good for what it is. Glocks are combat pistols with combat reliability, combat sights, combat calibers, combat capacity, combat accuracy and combat triggers. You can modify the triggers with other connectors but, I opted to do the 0.25 cent trigger job which cut down on stacking while pulling the trigger initially for the first of multiple shots. After the first shot, Glock triggers have a great and easily learnable reset that makes follow up shots a breaze. This is due to not having to deal with the stacking of the trigger by squeezing the trigger for the second shot directly from the point of trigger reset and not from the full trigger stroke that is associated with the first full trigger pull of the first shot.

Flip.

UglyGlock
November 16, 2006, 11:50 PM
a little bit of flitz and a stiff dry cloth will do a lot to improve the glock trigger pull. it'll still be the same weight, but a LOT smoother.

http://www.alpharubicon.com/mrpoyz/glock/

Wedge
November 17, 2006, 12:10 AM
No issues with the Glock trigger pull. Best to try shooting one and see if you like it. Once you learn the reset your speed and accuracy will increase.

Desertscout
November 17, 2006, 02:13 AM
I have 2 Glocks with 2.75# trigger pulls. I don't have any issues at all with any of them.

GRIZ22
November 17, 2006, 02:14 AM
I think some may be making the same mistake I did when I first fired a Glock back in the 80s when they hit the market. I tried shooting it as if it were a double action trigger. Never liked it. The way to shoot a Glock is like a heavy single action. You take up the slack and when you hit 5.5 or 8 pounds it goes off. I'm comfortable using the 8# but the 12# is ridiculous.

jlh26oo
November 17, 2006, 03:32 AM
imo there is no definitive answer to this question- whether you like the glock trigger or not is highly ymmv.

It's not particularly light, but can be made so (I wouldn't WANT any lighter than the 3.5# setup in my G34). It's not particularly crisp, especially if you are used to a 1911 (even the XD's break is more crisp than the GLOCK). It's not particularly smooth, compared to a revolver DA. In fact, it almost has a "skid" at the end, which alot of people hate (what they refer to as "mushy" or "spongey").

Despite the above seemingly negative description- it is my FAVORITE trigger. I don't like SA triggers (gasp) no matter how light or crisp; I don't like the long reset of a true DAO; I even prefer the little skid at the end- you can kind of "cheat" it if you are slow firing, like a second stage; yet it gives you a consistent pull from the first to last round and short reset for rapid fire. Great all around, all purpose configuration (for me).

Highly recommend it, and moreso the GLOCK package as a whole; but as always, imo only and ymmv. Something you have to try to see if you like for yourslef.

Lonestar
November 17, 2006, 10:59 AM
Does the trigger pull really suck that bad?

Like others have said the trigger pull weight is adjustable. The trigger does not suck, it is just a different feel them most other triggers.

Navy joe
November 17, 2006, 09:40 PM
CPshooter, as far as the trigger hurting the finger I think that is the biggest impediment to shooting a Glock repeatedly, quickly, and with accuracy. As soon as I get one I lop off the two tips of the trigger rendering it flat, then shave the trigger safety so that fully depressed it is flush with the trigger. It takes a sharp knife, a little fine sandpaper, and 5 minutes.

As far as pull weights, There are a plethora of options. I use a Ghost Rocket #5 connector in my carry Glock along with a heavy trigger bar spring and a standard striker spring. Combined with some careful polishing, good grease, and keeping the striker channel clean I have a crisp 5lb trigger, it takes up much shorter than stock and thanks to the overtravel stop on the ghost rocket the reset is verrry short. I can shoot way faster than I can think with that trigger.

My play Glock has a #3.5 in it, reduced striker spring, heavy triggerbar spring, polishing and a few other things. It strokes more like a very light DA and breaks at 2.5lbs. I could get it way less, but it scares me.

As for trading out springs and such, keep stock weight springs if you are going to carry, no sense in reduced power springs causing reliability problems.

erict
November 18, 2006, 12:22 AM
My first handgun was a Glock so I never knew how "horrible" they really were. It was all I really knew so I got used to it pretty quick.

The funny thing now is, I actually prefer the Glock trigger since I've shot them so much (owned 6 Glocks so far). I can always pick up my Glock and unload a mag (fast or slow), and it puts the holes right where I want them to go.

Practice makes perfect and once you learn to take up all of the slack right away, or on follow up shots, it's really not a bad set up at all.

Hammerxc
November 18, 2006, 08:44 AM
What Grizz22 said.

1911 guy
November 19, 2006, 09:31 AM
Does the trigger bother you enough to discout the other things that are attracting you to Glocks? Only you can know the answer to that. If you absolutely can't deal with it, shop around for other pistols with the features of a Glock with different triggers. If the other options available through a Glock are Muy Bueno to you and you can live with the trigger, embrace the suck and get one.

Patrick Henry
January 30, 2007, 03:58 PM
I just got a Glock and I think I would prefer a heavier trigger pull than it has, mainly for safety. 8 lbs. sounds good. Does changing the connector affect this or the trigger spring, or both?

BsChoy
January 30, 2007, 04:36 PM
I was warry about putting a 3.5 in my off duty 19 but with one range session it was natural and not too light. Also shoots much better. Groups were very good.

jayhway
January 30, 2007, 04:53 PM
Another option is to use a 3.5# connector and a NY-1 (olive) trigger spring. The result of this combination is a pull similar to that of the stock setup, but with a smoother overall pull and a more pronounced reset.

..
January 30, 2007, 05:25 PM
It's not that bad, more different than anything. People just like to cry about it.

dogloose
January 30, 2007, 05:57 PM
Suck is in the eye (or mind) of the beholder! Even where many might agree that Glock triggers suck (many do)... it still doesn't suck if you like it. You will always find folks on both sides of this debate.

I shoot a Glock and have mastered the trigger. I especially like the quick reset for follow-up shots. Like with any other weapon... dry firing and range practice will gradually improve your skills and confidence. Wouldn't matter if it were a double action revolver or another semi-auto... it's all in your hands.

tango3065
January 30, 2007, 10:41 PM
I have a 12lb in my G19 and have no complaints.

universal
January 30, 2007, 10:55 PM
Being as my friend is in LE I guess it is possible that he has a NY trigger. That would probably explain his distain for the extra hard tigger.

The law enforcement Glocks are shipped with the 5.5 pound trigger. Unless your friend is NYPD, he probably does not have the heavier trigger.

To each their own, but for me the 5.5 pound Glock trigger is great. I may be a bit off but I actually do not care for really light trigger pulls like the 1911 or the single action pull on most revolvers.

Black Snowman
January 30, 2007, 11:52 PM
After a little de-burring both of my Glocks have fabulous triggers that are smooth and don't stack (get heavier as you pull). The very short trigger reset lets you shoot them very quickly and accurately. I do as well with my Glocks as my true single action guns.

CountGlockula
January 31, 2007, 01:11 AM
Two words: TRIGGER RESET.

You'll know what I mean.

thales
February 7, 2007, 09:34 PM
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Of the thirty or so guns that I have the Glock has by far the worst trigger. I have spent considerable effort and funds to correct it, with some improvement, but it is still the crappiest. The problem is not the weight or stacking, it is the irreparable creep. Does this keep me from easily grouping minute of bad guy at fifteen yards? No. Does it keep me from grouping six inches at twenty-five yards? Yes. It stinks. Some people like it. Some people like Twinkies and chocolate milk for dinner 365 days a year. More power to them.


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Desertscout
February 8, 2007, 12:26 AM
If you can't shoot less than 6" at 25 yards, it sure as hell isn't the trigger's fault. ANY Glock should shoot less than 3" at 25 yards if the shooter does his part.
I have 2.75# triggers on 3 of my Glocks and a hair less than 4 on the rest of them.
Here's a group I shot at 100 yards a month or so with G 23. The 6th shot is the one that opened it up to 9.875":
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/Desertscout1/IMG_100yds.jpg

Here are 2 5-shot groups shot at 7 yards from a standing position. The top one can be covered with a dime.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/Desertscout1/IMG_ORH.jpg

g5reality
February 8, 2007, 12:36 AM
I switched out my factory 5lb trigger for the 3.5lb. no need to do anything else. It now feels more like my 1911 and shoots tighter groups.

Went to Glockworld: it was only 14.95. I also got a Storm Lake barrel. You don't need a spring just the 3.5# connector. easy to install.

http://www.glockworld.com/triggers.htm

Skpotamus
February 8, 2007, 01:37 AM
I put a glock 3.5# connector in all of my glocks, polish them till they double as mirrors, and then treat them with militec. My triggers break at about 4lbs, and are smooth. I can shoot fairly well with the stock triggersbut shoot a lot better with the 4lb range (maybe because my 1911 triggers break there too?).

Some people do well with the stack on the glocks, I found it detrimental to my shooting. A little polish on the contact points and the stack goes away.

The two best shooters I've seen in person shoot glocks. One of the sherrif's dept trainers likes to piss off the new guys. Someone will invariably say their sights are off, or their gun is junk, the trainer likes to shoot a free hand 50 yard group in the head of a B27 target. Then tell them to dry fire more and complain less.

BamBam-31
February 8, 2007, 01:38 AM
Glocks suck. Buy a Sig. :evil:

glocktoberfest
February 8, 2007, 03:14 AM
It's not that bad, more different than anything. People just like to cry about it.





How true :


All my hand guns have different trigger pull / weight / feel / grip angle ( non Glocks) I adjust to what I'm shooting . It's not really that difficult after the first 4 or 5 rounds . Glocks are all pretty much all the same . Is that really a bad thing ? Shoot what ya like and don't shoot what ya don't like . Pretty simple .

thales
February 8, 2007, 05:56 AM
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If you can't shoot less than 6" at 25 yards, it sure as hell isn't the trigger's fault. ANY Glock should shoot less than 3" at 25 yards if the shooter does his part.

The great majority of pistols in good condition will group 3" at 25 yards if the "shooter does his part". However, I concluded long ago that shooting a pistol from a bench rest is completely irrelevant to practical accuracy. If you routinely shoot 3" groups offhand at 25 yards then you really ought to run down to Camp Perry and show those good ole boys how it is done. Be sure to show us all the medals you win.


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Desertscout
February 8, 2007, 11:31 AM
If you routinely shoot 3" groups offhand at 25 yards then you really ought to run down to Camp Perry and show those good ole boys how it is done. Be sure to show us all the medals you win.

Disregarding your smart remark, I'll address the original issue. I said any Glock ought to shoot within 3" at 25 yards. I didn't say any shooter. OF COURSE I'M TALKING ABOUT OFF THE BENCH! The whole issue here was what the gun could do. If we all had Ransom Rests, we would all know exactly what the gun was capable of and set our goals accordingly. I get so sick of guys that can't shoot talking about "practical accuracy" or "combat accuracy" when someone asks what kind of group they should be able to shoot. Remember that your very best day out on the street will likely be about half as good as your worst day on the range. It pays to know exactly what your gun is capable of.

And one more thing. Yes, I can routinely shoot 3" groups at 25 yards and that is not nearly as good as some of the guys at Camp Perry do.

thales
February 8, 2007, 03:01 PM
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I'm not sure what this has to do with Glock triggers, but OK, the next time I need to shoot bad guys in the head at 100 yards I'll be sure to bring along a bench rest. Not very practical, but at least I'll know that I'm getting the best out of my pistol.


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CountGlockula
February 8, 2007, 03:18 PM
What's so great about Glocks: you don't like the trigger pulll? Change it.

Glocks are the most versitle pistol out there.

BamBam-31
February 8, 2007, 04:48 PM
Gotta agree with Desertscout: 3" groups at 25 yds. isn't too hard. My buddies and I had a friendly competition once--placed 3" orange stickers on our targets and rolled them back to 25 yds (max distance at that indoor range). I got all ten shots in the sticker, offhand. If I can do it, it's not Camp Perry stuff. :p

Oh, and like the Count says, the Glock trigger can be upgraded, and you don't have to leave it at the shop for weeks, either. You can buy drop-in trigger kits from www.triggerkit.com or www.pistolgear.com, and they'll drop the trigger down to something like a relatively crisp 2.5# pull. Pretty nice. I've got the former in my USPSA G17. :)

thales
February 8, 2007, 04:52 PM
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I'm not sure what this has to do with Glock triggers, but more power to you regarding accuracy.

Actually, the drop in trigger kit I used, IIRC, was from triggerkit.com. It did reduce the pull weight to 4 pounds, measured with an RCBS gauge. I would not, however, use the term "crisp" to describe the trigger pull. Maybe I'm spoiled, but it is still very creepy. And it did increase the ability of the pistol to fire out of battery. I think that has to do with the firing pin safety plunger.


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Outlaw Man
February 8, 2007, 04:56 PM
I'm not a Glock fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I have to admit the G34 I shot with the 3.5lb trigger was pretty nice - much better tahn the heavier triggers on other Glocks I've tried. Easily as accurate as I am capable of.

BamBam-31
February 8, 2007, 07:28 PM
Actually, the drop in trigger kit I used, IIRC, was from triggerkit.com. It did reduce the pull weight to 4 pounds, measured with an RCBS gauge. I would not, however, use the term "crisp" to describe the trigger pull. Maybe I'm spoiled, but it is still very creepy. And it did increase the ability of the pistol to fire out of battery. I think that has to do with the firing pin safety plunger.


Wow, doesn't sound like the trigger kit I got at all. Although not 1911 crisp, it is relatively crisp, especially compared to the spongy OEM trigger pull. Good enough to where if you miss, it's you, not the gun. Mine breaks under 3#, and I've never had any kind of failure whatsoever (and I run it pretty hard). Maybe you need to contact whomever you purchased your trigger kit from and report your problems?

Anyways, the point being, you claim your Glock trigger hinders you from shooting anything less than 6" groups at 25 yds. I'm saying I can shoot 3" groups at 25 yds. with my Glock.

thales
February 8, 2007, 10:01 PM
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Well if you can do that rapid or timed fire that will make a perfect score. The only way anybody at Camp Perry can do better than that is to get more X's. I'm sorry I can't shoot perfect scores any time I want to like you guys can, but I'm glad to know that it must be something wrong with me rather than my Glock's trigger.


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RSanchez
February 8, 2007, 10:54 PM
I agree with Grizz22 and Froggy. The 5.5 lb trigger pull that comes with it from the factory is about ideal for carry. I would tend to agree the 3.5 lb trigger is great for the range or competition, but NOT for carry. Dude get the Glock26. The gun is awesome and you can put any Glock 9MM magazine up to 33 rounds. You can make the gun nice and compact when you want to carry or get the 15 or 17 round mags for the range or to extend the grip. You WON'T be disappointed. You will get used to the trigger as soon as someone shows you how to reset it without going all the way forward. It's an awesome piece.

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