help:something wrong with the ruger 22/45 MKIII?


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sig1911
November 17, 2006, 03:00 PM
my friends' ruger 22/45 MKIII 5.5" experienced problem. after last round fired,the bolt went rearward,he put the another full round mag in,and pull the bolt,but bolt stayed and didn't go forward. he had to push the bolt lock button down to let bolt go forward.

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gunhappy
November 17, 2006, 04:26 PM
the pistol is designed that way. I, too, would love to slingshot it foreward, but the 22/45 mark III just does not do this.

ZeSpectre
November 17, 2006, 04:36 PM
I haven't had my MK III for long but I've already got over 600 rounds through it. In that time I've come to love it for it's accuracy and feel when firing. I've also come to hate a few other items like...

The controls aren't southpaw friendly. You can't "slingshot" the bolt (as mentioned above) without moving the slide release down manually. I've learned how to do it with both hands but what a pain in the butt.

The MK III "magazine safety" is the biggest pain in the backside I've ever seen (I finally said the hell with the warranty and disabled it).

The idea that you have to catch the hammer pin in that little cup as you re-assemble... ummm DUH! I can think of at least three better designs for that part.

Still, the "evil plinker" has somehow won a solid place in my heart, go figure :confused:

Whirlwind06
November 17, 2006, 05:06 PM
So glad I bought a MKII 22/45

brownie0486
November 17, 2006, 07:17 PM
Mine put the first 10 rds into a dime sized group at 30 feet with a red dot on it [ the range I was on makes you shoot minimum distance from the line ].

I adjusted the dot for POA/POI after that first 10, and it now sits waiting to do duty on rabbits, pocket gophers [ very destructive ] and little critters in the back yard.

It runs flawlessly so far with about 900 rds through her. Will be getting a trigger job in Jan/Feb, it needs it.

Brownie

wally
November 17, 2006, 11:13 PM
So glad I bought a MKII 22/45

Yeah but the 22/45 MKIII fits my hand so much better. Too bad the mag safety makes an already PITA takedown/reassembly even more so.

--wally.

Norb
November 19, 2006, 03:28 PM
Can someone explain to me why the magazine disconnect is constantly complained:confused: about?

SoCalShooter
November 19, 2006, 03:50 PM
because the magazine disconnect is a pain in the arse, you cant dry fire the weapon without a magazine you cant completely reassemble the weapon without it either, its generally a pain in the arse.

ZeSpectre
November 19, 2006, 05:12 PM
DISCLAIMER: I am NOT a gunsmith and I am in NO WAY advising you to disable, fiddle, or even look, at the innards of your firearm. You do so it's your own choice and I bear no responsibility. Guns aren't toys and if you don't know what you are doing then DON'T DO IT!

Okay, the deal with the "magazine safety" is that it disables the trigger anytime there is no magazine inserted into the pistol. While I understand that Ruger was trying to prevent incidents of people thinking the gun was unloaded because they'd dropped the magazine (not realizing a round was still in the chamber) I think this is a prime example of trying to idiot proof the world rather than teach these dumbasses the correct way to handle and check a firearm.

So they build in the "magazine safety" and suddenly in order to do just about anything with the gun you have to have a magazine inserted which is just unnatural to me (I have YEARS of training that says if you are going to work on a gun the magazine should be OUT of the gun).

Additionally it adds EIGHT extra steps to the disassembly/reassembly of the firearm (now being called the Magazine Cha-Cha) along with Ruger's usual "point it up, point it level, point it down" colorguard routine.

See below...all items in RED are due to the "magazine safety" and are no longer necessary after you disable the damned thing.

Ruger MK III 22/45

Disassembly
1. Pull Mainspring Housing Latch open
2. Swing mainspring housing out, removing mainspring housing and bolt stop pin.
3. Insert unloaded magazine
4. Point muzzele updard in a safe direction and pull trigger, bolt will drop out of receiver.
5. Remove unloaded magazine
6. Sharp rap forward on the rear of receiver will unlock barrel/receiver which can be lifted from grip assembly.



Re-Assembly
1. Safety must be in F (fire) position for reassembly.
2. Place Barrel/Reciever on grip frame, click into place (rearward).
3. Insert unloaded magazine
4. Point barrel up and pull trigger (to make the hammer fall flat)
5. Remove unloaded magazine.
6. Hold pistol flat, insert bolt
7. Insert unloaded magazine
8. Point muzzel at ground, pull trigger (hammer should fall full forward)
9. Remove unloaded magazine
10. Insert mainspring lock bolt assembly
11. Now point muzzel skyward, look for hammer strut
12. Guide hammer strut into mainspring cup
13. Close mainspring lock bolt assembly, being careful to capture hammer strut in mainspring cup.
14. finish latching mainspring lock bolt assembly.

Test assembly by pulling slide back and releasing, it should slide freely. In order to test fire (and release spring tension) you must Insert unloaded magazine to deactivate magazine safety and then the trigger will work.

After test fire Remove unloaded magazine and put pistol away.

Norb
November 19, 2006, 07:00 PM
I think you people have things a bit too easy.
Oh my gawd! 8 whole extra steps that add 30 seconds to the whole job.
Are we gonna make it? Take a few deep breaths now and just relax.

If the take down and reassembly is too tough, you shouldn't be shooting the gun to begin with.

Divided we fall.

wally
November 19, 2006, 07:08 PM
If said idiot can't check the chamber after removing the magazine every one of those "insert magazine" steps that should not be required offer said idiot an opportunity to introduce a round into the gun.

On a .22 these things are only a nuisance, on a SD gun it could get you killed if the mag has been lost, I demand the one up the pipe go bang when needed, nothing is 100% reliable or foolproof so this one may be all you ever get!

--wally.

JohnKSa
November 19, 2006, 09:25 PM
I don't care about the extra steps. I just don't like paying for features I don't want. So no Mk IIIs for me.

ZeSpectre
November 19, 2006, 11:19 PM
I think you people have things a bit too easy.
Oh my gawd! 8 whole extra steps that add 30 seconds to the whole job.
Are we gonna make it? Take a few deep breaths now and just relax.

If the take down and reassembly is too tough, you shouldn't be shooting the gun to begin with. -Norb

Norb,

You've never handled a MK III with this "feature" have you. :evil:

That's eight whole steps -if everything goes right- on reassembly. If you should somehow miss the "cup" in step 12 of reassembly then it turns into a whole other set of magazine in, trigger, magazine out, rack slide, magazine in, trigger, magazine out, pull out spring housing in order to get the thing to unlock and release so you can try and re-seat the hammer strut, then the Cha-Cha again to close everything back up and test. Believe me, it's a royal pain.

Seriously, I'm GOOD at disassembly and reassembly of a MK III but after a while the "Magazine Cha-Cha" really gets on yer nerves.

Norb
November 19, 2006, 11:48 PM
I take mine down every time I shoot. Minimum once a day.

1 in 5 kids go to bed hungry every night in our country, the magazine disconnect is'nt a problem.
Be happy that you are able to buy that gun at all, and get it at such a great price.

Stephen A. Camp
November 20, 2006, 10:57 AM
Degenerated into a "can too/can not" situation.

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