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Desertdog
November 17, 2006, 08:15 PM
I wonder if the problem might be the fact that the honest citizen can't shoot back, or the BGs don't get to spend a lot of time in jailwhen are caught..

District slayings usually with gun
By Matthew Cella
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20061116-111332-8159r.htm


The District is among the major U.S. cities with the highest percentage of people being killed by firearms, despite having one of the strictest gun-control laws in the country.
A recent Metropolitan Police Department report on homicides from 2001 to 2005 states that 901 of 1,126 homicide victims, or about 80 percent, were fatally shot.
"It's a problem," Chief Charles H. Ramsey said. "It may be something that's with us for a while."
Firearms last year alone were used to commit 157 of the District's 196 homicides, or about 80 percent. That percentage has remained relatively consistent since 2001, when a five-year low of 78.4 percent of homicides were committed using guns.
FBI crime statistics for 2005 show 10,100 of the country's 14,860 homicide victims, or 68 percent, were killed by guns.
The District's percentage of gun homicides is comparable to those in other big cities, according to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics.
In 2004, the last year for which comprehensive statistics were available, the 79.3 percent of homicides involving guns in the District was higher than the 61.1 percent in New York. Chicago reported 75.2 percent, and Baltimore had 77.5 percent.
Atlanta had a significantly lower percentage of gun homicides than the District, 73.2 percent, despite less-restrictive gun laws. In Georgia, gun owners are not required to obtain a license or a permit, there is no waiting period to buy a handgun and no background check for second-party sales.
The District did have a lower percentage of gun homicides than New Orleans at 92 percent, Los Angeles at 80.9 percent and Detroit at 80.5 percent.
D.C. law restricts ownership of most guns that were not registered before 1977. Privately owned rifles and shotguns must be kept at home and stored unloaded, disassembled, or bound by a trigger lock or a similar device.
Michael Campbell, a spokesman for the Washington field office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said that part of the problem is the District being surrounded by jurisdictions with less-restrictive regulations.
"You can't seal the borders," he said. "There's always going to be a market for guns."
Chief Ramsey agreed.
"We have tough gun laws, but most of our guns are coming from Virginia and Maryland," he said.
D.C. police have recovered nearly 2,400 guns thus far this year, the most during the past five years. Those figures do not include the 337 guns turned in as part of a gun buy-back program in September.
Chief Ramsey thinks most gun owners are responsible, thus is not in favor of eliminating gun ownership.
"Guns and our society go hand in hand," the chief said. But he favors "very, very stiff penalties" for people who violate the law.
The District's firearms restrictions, which were passed in 1976, include a maximum one-year penalty or $1,000 fine for first-time offenders and a maximum five-year penalty or $5,000 fine for second offenders.
"To me, that's not strong enough," the police chief said.
Carrying a pistol without a license in the District can be either a felony or a misdemeanor charge, depending on whether the offender was carrying the pistol someplace other than in his or her home or business.
Felons convicted of firearms possession can get up to 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Felons who use a firearm during the commission of a violent crime can receive a maximum 15-year prison sentence. Possessing unregistered ammunition always is a misdemeanor.

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Standing Wolf
November 17, 2006, 09:20 PM
The District is among the major U.S. cities with the highest percentage of people being killed by firearms, despite having one of the strictest gun-control laws in the country.

"Despite?" No. Sorry. Here's how the opening line logically ought to read:

The District is among the major U.S. cities with the highest percentage of people being killed by firearms as a result of having one of the strictest gun-control laws in the country.

Leftists are the most illogical people on the planet.

razorburn
November 17, 2006, 10:47 PM
Michael Campbell, a spokesman for the Washington field office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said that part of the problem is the District being surrounded by jurisdictions with less-restrictive regulations.
"You can't seal the borders," he said. "There's always going to be a market for guns."
Chief Ramsey agreed.
"We have tough gun laws, but most of our guns are coming from Virginia and Maryland," he said.

Then how come they don't have the rampant problems with murder and homicide that D.C. has?

RNB65
November 17, 2006, 11:04 PM
Trying to keep guns out of DC is like trying to use a bucket to dig a hole in the middle of the ocean. Ain't gonna happen.

The folks in DC just like to whine. Richmond has a higher homocide rate than DC, but no one here is screaming for tougher gun laws. Richmonders have enough common sense to know that criminals don't get guns by legal means.

What these news reports always leave out is that *most* of the people who were killed by guns were themselves criminals. I don't have much sympathy for them.

If the DC Metro Police could figure out how to stop the drug trade, most of the gun violence would disappear overnight. Where there are illegal drugs being sold there will always be gun violence. And all the gun laws in the world are never going to change that.

thexrayboy
November 17, 2006, 11:13 PM
If the DC Metro Police could figure out how to stop the drug trade, most of the gun violence would disappear overnight. Where there are illegal drugs being sold there will always be gun violence.


Nice sentiment but not gonna happen. The police will never be able to stop the drug trade. As long as there is a demand there will be a supply. This holds true not only for drugs, but for bookmaking, prostitution, guns, etc.etc.

The root of the problem is not going to be addressed by enforcement efforts. The only way to solve drug abuse problems is education of children before they become involved. Once they start down the road of illicit drug use it is difficult to turn your life around. Not saying we should decriminalize drug use and possession but focusing efforts on interdiction at the expense of prevention gives a very poor return on investment.

Just like education is the key to safe ownership and use of firearms as opposed to government interference, so to is education the key in preventing
drug abuse.

Easy to say, unfortunately humans being humans this is really a tough thing to accomplish.

slzy
November 17, 2006, 11:41 PM
advice for evryone,but particularly apt for DC: stay out of the drug market and don't talk to women you have not been properly introduced to.

crashresidue
November 17, 2006, 11:57 PM
Cheers all,

My father, grumpy old man that he is, has come up with a way to not only solve the drug problem, but the gangland "drive by" shootings.

The "drug problem" - not only make all drugs legal, make them free! In six months, there will be no more "drug problem."

"Drive by shootings?" - teach them marksmanship.

I rest my case.

cr

MikeK
November 18, 2006, 01:54 AM
Getting guns from MD and VA. Obviously the solution is to ban all private gun ownership. It would have worked well in DC except for those dumb a**es in VA and MD that provide all of the guns for the DC residents.

Home rule was the worst thing that happened there and now they will likely get a congressional (national) vote.

Soybomb
November 18, 2006, 02:44 AM
"You can't seal the borders," he said. "There's always going to be a market for guns."
Chief Ramsey agreed.
"We have tough gun laws, but most of our guns are coming from Virginia and Maryland," he said.
Clearly the problem is virginia and maryland...if they had strict gun laws there wouldn't be a problem. Other than the other states, but they could pass laws too. And then there'd be other countries...but they could pass laws too. :banghead:

Nice sentiment but not gonna happen. The police will never be able to stop the drug trade. As long as there is a demand there will be a supply. This holds true not only for drugs, but for bookmaking, prostitution, guns, etc.etc.You could make the illegal things legal and end the black market...

El Tejon
November 18, 2006, 08:18 AM
Or, we could make guns in D.C. even more illegal.:D

jazurell
November 18, 2006, 09:14 AM
You can't seal the borders," he said. "There's always going to be a market for guns."
Chief Ramsey agreed.
"We have tough gun laws, but most of our guns are coming from Virginia and Maryland," he said.

Sounds like a deficiency on the part of the DC police department. Typical-- "place the blame on others" and "don't take any personal responsibility" activity. Externalize an internal problem. It's always someone else's problem that we have a problem.

romma
November 18, 2006, 09:35 AM
DC - District slayings usually with gun Duh! I am shocked I say!

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