[brookstexas]

Several months ago I was in a Taco Cabana in Austin and noticed a "no
weapons etc" sign on TacoCabana letterhead. I asked did they intend for
that to include "Licensed Carriers". "Yes" seemed to be the answer. I
called corporate and was given the run around for weeks. I finally
contacted Mark Phillips VP Ops and he said he would inquire. After a
month plus wait I finally spoke to him today. I'm paraphrasing his reply
here- "They felt that they are more of a bar at night and for safety
reason don't want guns in that environment"
I asked if their official position was "Concealed Carry Licensees were
drunks who would shoot up their place?" He said no but couldn't explain
what they did mean.
SO Taco Cabana doesn't want your business if you LEGALLY carry a gun.
They seem to be alright with criminals doing so however as they affirmed
that they don't read signs as they are criminals....
PLEASE email everyone you know that has a TC near them and call to
complain to their customer service at 1-800-580-8668
Actually even if you don't live here call and tell em'!!!

[Henry Bowman]

Was this one of those sacred "30.06" signs?

[mec]

Unless they have a PC 30.06 sigh, their business isn't effectively posted against licensed carriers. I find it generally prudent to avoid doing business with any establishment that puts up an anti-gun sign even if it doesn't constitute a legal notice. Spending money with them just promotes the growth of surplus population and the proliferation of more business like Taco Cabana.

The Taco Cabana people seem to believe that their customers and / or employees are low, irresponsible drunks and they may be right.

[joeislove]

Personally, I would just ignore the sign until they get one that's legally binding. Maybe they put the sign up to make someone feel better, but you and I both know that a criminal would just ignore a sign, even the 30.06 sign.

[HankB]

Some businesses in Texas deliberately put up "non-compliant" signs to appease the sheeple, knowing full well that CHL holders know - or ought to know - the law's signage requirements and will ignore non-compliant signs.

I don't patronize fast-food taco places, as I've never felt a need to increase my intake of grease. Hence, my question - is Taco Cabana really a bar at night? If they make 51% of their business by sale of alcohol for on-premesis consumption, then they're off limits to armed CHL holders. (And they ought to have a "51" sign posted.)

[Standing Wolf]

I don't do business with anti-Second Amendment Bigots.

[rock jock]

Some businesses in Texas deliberately put up "non-compliant" signs to appease the sheeple, knowing full well that CHL holders know - or ought to know - the law's signage requirements and will ignore non-compliant signs.
Hank,

Do you know this for certain or are you speculating? I just assumed these people were just plain stupid.

[Freightman]

The one here went out of business as you can get much better Tex/Mex at the same price or cheaper.

[Jerrywahid]

If anyone who works there who is in any way in a position of authority and they tell you not to carry you cannot carry. It doesn't matter what signs are posted. 30.06 is for non verbal. A verbal communication is a legally valid way to communicate that no guns are allowed. If there is no 30.06 then it's best to not ask. Then no one has told you anything and you're legal.

[Frohickey]

Has there been any gun crimes committed in shall-issue states where the private establishment posted "No CCW" signs?

Might be nice to have a collection of these incidences.

[jsalcedo]

They only have the no guns sign in a few restauraunts.
I worked for the corporate offices of Taco Cabana for 2 years
and also helped set up several stores..

Having said that....

Taco Cabana Inc is clueless they have no corporate policy to speak of and every restaurant will be different.

Every store gets a sign package when they remodel or open a new location. The company that send out the sign pack always has a couple no guns signs (gun with circle and cross through it)

The manager who may or may not be able to read puts these signs up indiscriminately until the windows are filled with
signs he cannot decipher or comprehend.

The managers, district leaders and executive VPs cannot even get
a tortilla to come out round much less have a gun policy for each store.


Ignore Taco Cabana they are not anti-gun they are just anti-good food and anti-customer service and pro-lobotomy.

[PWK]

Ditto what jsalcedo said. Taco Cabana is definitly "anti-good food"

[cratz2]

To slightly drift... is Pancho's still around down in Texas? Sort of a Mexican cafeteria... you told them what you wanted then you could go back through the line and if you needed help with anything, you raised your little Mexican flag for assistance? I loved that place. Back in the early '80s we would eat at the one in Bellaire (maybe just outside of it) all the time after shopping at the guitar store close by.

Now I'm hungry. :p

[SoDFW Jason]

Yes Cratz, Pancho's is still kicking.

[geegee]

I think if I really look hard, I'll be able to find another place around these parts that will serve up some good Tex-Mex. :p geegee

[jsalcedo]

In San Antonio, Chachos on IH10 and Callahan road is the best
fast and by far the best fast Tex Mex.

There are quite a few mom and pop joints but none quite like Chachos

[El Tejon]

rock, I have always thought that those "No Guns" signs I see down in Tejas are present for the sheople. When I first went down in '95 there were non-compliant signs of every description, now I see wierd red and blue signs. Note: I have only been to a very limited area of Tejas.

I always figured that it was the corporate office of general counsel attempting to have it both ways (darn lawyers). Petting the sheople but keeping the pro-gun crowd satisfied that the stores' actions are feckless.

BTW, Mamacita's in Kerrville has the best Tex-Mex in the RoT. I saw that new commerical they are running ("In this country, we are free to do our best"--I almost cried); I would believe that their political philosophy would be pro-carry.:D

[Double Naught Spy]

If you think about it, Taco Cabana isn't exactly a real loss to CHL folks in Texas. Between Taco Cabana and a poke in the eye, I think I would have to go with th poke in the eye, definitely now that they have a no guns policy.

[Thumper]

Look...Taco Cabana is awful...but it's the only drive through game in town for tex mex at 3:00 A.M.

As far as I'm concerned, that's it's raisson d'etre.

Coincidentally, I almost started this same thread a few days ago. The sign is not a 30.06, by the way.

Please call 1-800-580-8668 and state your views.

They put the number at the bottom of the sign...it's almost a challenge.

[Jeff OTMG]

Why would I support a business who does not have my best interest at heart? If they don't want my gun then they don't want my business, 30.06 or not. Bye-bye Taco Cabana.

[rock jock]

BTW, Mamacita's in Kerrville has the best Tex-Mex in the RoT.
Can't believe that one got by me, but I grew up in SA and found plenty to be satisfied with there.

[nemesis]

We have a lot of very official looking signs, here in the Rio Grande Valley, that all seem to prohibit the carry of weapons. The secret is to read it closely. It says the "unlicensed carry" of weapons carries the penalty of 10 years in the calaboz but you have to read it carefully and closely to note that they are referrring to illegally carried weapons.

As mentioned previously, it appears to prohibit the carry of weapons and the concerns of the Sheeple are satisfied.

I have only seen one sign that was close enough to a 30.06 to be observed and that was at a Popeye's (Poh Payas) Chicken place and it's not at any of their other places in town.

[HABU]

OK, at the risk of being identified as an Ignant Yank, wassa 30.06? :confused:

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

I've been to a Taco Cabana exactly 3x in the last 8 years. I'd much rather spend my pesos with the nice, friendly Hispanic family-owned mamacita-papacita place down the road from me; it's less expensive, it was made fresh- sometimes at my table, they know me by name, as I do them; the quality is always there.

You're right, the gun with a circle/line through is is for sheeple fuzzies. Unless it's got a 51% sign and a 30.06, I'm gonna be carrying- even then, I sometimes consider it my 'local option', but then I'm not one to frequent bars anyhow.

FYI for the yankees- 30.06 refers to the Texas Criminal Code statute number for the limitations on concealed carry. Cool, huh?

by the way, at risk of a blatant commercial, the restaurant is Don Pepe's Rachero@ Coit and Arapaho in Dallas.

Regards,
Rabbit.

[Elminster]

In San Antonio, Chachos on IH10 and Callahan road is the best
fast and by far the best fast Tex Mex.

There are quite a few mom and pop joints but none quite like Chachos

YES!!! Chachos is awesome! I used to work in the big building right next door and we'd go there 2 - 3 times a week.

I'm kind of suprised that location isn't 51% considering how much alcohol flows through there, especially on the weekend. :confused:

Good stuff really.

[Thumper]

Cool...we all agree...Taco Cabana bites.

I trust you all still called, correct?

1-800-580-8668

[BB93YJ]

From the Texas Department of Public Safety, Concealed Handgun Section, here's the specifications on the 30.06 sign.
The term “30.06 sign” is a reference to Section 30.06 of the Texas Penal Code,
which describes the sign that must be posted on a property where handguns are to be prohibited by the property owner...

PROHIBITING HANDGUNS IN A BUSINESS OR OTHER ENTITY

In order to provide notice that entry on property by a license holder with a concealed handgun is forbidden, Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(A) requires that a written communication contain the following language:

"PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN."

"CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO UN ARMA DE FUEGO."

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Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(B) further states that a sign must meet the following requirements:

includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;

appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and

is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

[rick458]

A 30.06 is a sign reading

"Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person Licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun".
if you carry into that establishment, you can be charged with criminal Trespass (Class A Misdomeaner)
BB93yj beat me to it

[mnealtx]

Another great Tex-Mex in the SA area is Jacala's., off of West Avenue. It's been around since the 50's and is a tradition with 'old-time' inhabitants of San Antonio.

http://www.jacala.com/5.html

Both the food and their prices are very good....

[rick458]

We Used to have Taco Bueno's Very good for Chain Tex Mex but they all closed said they couldn't make any money???
every one I ever went into was packed and the average I spent was $15-20
somebody was making some money

[Thumper]

Taco Bueno is still alive and kicking in and around DFW.

Still recommend almost any Taqueria.

"Tres lengua tacos con tortillas de maize y aguacate...y dos Shiners."

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

well, let's qualify Taco Bueno being alive and well in DFW. I've seen 3 in the last 2 weeks that closed, mostly in 'questionable' neighborhoods. They have spent a lot of money on refurbs and new, nice locations, so it could be an offset philosophy. For fast burritos, though, you can't hardly beat it- and real avocados in the guacamole.

Regards,
Rabbit.

[Skibane]

In San Antonio, Chachos on IH10 and Callahan road is the best
fast and by far the best fast Tex Mex.

The Bexar County Health Department might beg to differ!

As with most mexican food restaurants, the whole secret lies in knowing what to order. With the chains, you also need to pick one that is well-run – some of the Taco Cabanas are toilet bowls. However, find a good one, stick to the Chicken Flameante, and you'll do fine...

[resmeth]

Both of the Taco Cabanas in Alb. NM are severe health hazards. If you need to loose 5 pounds in a hurry eat at one and they will empty you right out, the food poisoning way.
There is so many better mexican places, I am amazed they are still open. Maybe we have a lot of people immune to amebic dysentery :barf: :barf: :barf:

[Jim Washburn]

How is the chile relleno at Jacala?

[El Tejon]

Skibane, is the Mamacita's in Saint Tony's open yet? Be back in October--can hardly wait. Yum.:cool:

[nemesis]

El Pocito, the Hole In The Wall, in old downtown McAllen. Great food and the roaches are the size of chihuahua's but you'll be the only guarro in the place.

[Carlos]

Man, you guys are killing me. I can't think of a single, close TexMex place worth a *#$$# around here. :(

Going to have to do Chinese or something tonight. I'm not cooking.

AS far as the signs go, I look at it this way. Concealed is Concealed. Stay that way, no trouble comes your way.

[springmom]

Noticed this thread from a few years ago, and thought I'd mention that Taco Cabana is still like that - newest version is a 30.06 sign that may or may not be legal (something for lawyers to argue about, I guess), and an owner / manager who assured me that "since we serve alcohol we HAVE to ban guns" (that's wrong, btw).:banghead:

Anyway, newcomers to THR since '03, if you're in Taco Cabana service areas, you should know that they do not want your guns, even though they assured my husband that they DO want your business. HAH!!:neener:

springmom, who hasn't gotten involved in a boycott in YEARS

[TexasRifleman]

Yes Cratz, Pancho's is still kicking.


Oh God. They may be kicking but you won't be if you eat there.

The sickest I've ever been in my life was after an evening of "rasing the flag".

I prayed for death before whatever that was left my body......:evil:

As for Taco Cabana, the one near me has a 30.06 posted, not that I'd eat in the place anymore anyway. I did stop there for some cheap margaritas a while back (not carrying, and not the one driving). It was not a clean place and I wasn't planning on going back.

[jason10mm]

Is Chachos the place where you can get a MOUNTAIN of nachos, buried under 5 cows worth of cheese, and smothered in beans? I've seen 1-2 guys demolish that plate and am always suprised EMS doesn't show up afterwards!

[CatsDieNow]

I have never seen a completely compliant 30.06 business down here. Most are the 8.5X11 "unlicensed carry" ones; some not also in Spanish, or not in big enough letters.

I think the mall in Arlington was the closest to being compliant, but since they don't have EVERY door posted, I ignore those signs too, and go in the unmarked doors.

[orionengnr]

late last week, and saw the "letter" on Tacao Cabana letterhead.

Regardless of the degree of legality of the posting, it tells me a lot about the business. And no, it was not in reference to "unlicensed", it was in regard to "concealed" weapons.

When I noticed it I wrote down the number and vowed to call. Thanks for the reminder, now I will probably write, too.

[elric]

The Taco Cabana in Austin near Fry's (Mopac & Parmer) had 2 non-compliant 30.06 signs on its doors as of a couple of months ago. Both of the side doors were posted, but if you came in the doors off the patio they were not posted. The signs on the other doors weren't compliant either ... they seemed to have the right wording, but since both the english and spanish versions were printed on a single 8.5x11 sheet of paper, the letters were far smaller than the 1" minimum height. Don't know if they've corrected that ... haven't been back since then.

[#shooter]

They have the right to refuse having weapons on their property. You have the right to not give them your business. Let them exercise their rights and you should exercise your rights.

[TexasRifleman]

I have never seen a completely compliant 30.06 business down here. Most are the 8.5X11 "unlicensed carry" ones; some not also in Spanish, or not in big enough letters.

I think the mall in Arlington was the closest to being compliant, but since they don't have EVERY door posted, I ignore those signs too, and go in the unmarked doors.

Where did you see a sign at the Arlington Mall? I've never seen one there at all.

[TheEgg]

This thread started almost 3 years ago, so some things may have changed????

Taco Cabana is iffy at best on their food.

I was in one just a few days ago (it was a desperate Taco Attack late at night during an all night work session -- we took a chance!:D ).

The only signs they were sporting were the ones that they are required to post as a business selling alchohol (beer) and not a 51% site. These are the signs that indicate that it is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in jail for the UNLICENSED carrying of a weapon on the premises. This does not apply to you as a CHL holder.

This is the same sign on liquor stores, places like Applebees, Chili's, etc, and is, I believe, required by law. I have not yet seen a 30.06 sign or even one of the silly 'circle crossed out gun icon' signs at a Taco Cabana.

[bigdaddyb]

I've been to a Taco Cabana exactly 3x in the last 8 years. I'd much rather spend my pesos with the nice, friendly Hispanic family-owned mamacita-papacita place down the road from me; it's less expensive, it was made fresh- sometimes at my table, they know me by name, as I do them; the quality is always there.

Here Here!!

I'm of the belief that no ethnic food should ever be prepared by a chain.

I put it rather simply for those who don't want my gun but say they'd still like my business.

"My gun and my money travel together. One won't go where the other isn't welcome."

brianb

[beaucoup ammo]

Use to swing by there 30 years ago around 2AM and the chow was GREAT. Now-a-days I'll settle for a La Fogata Margarita and the mom and pop at Walzem and Austin Highway!

Anti Gun? Won't get my dough.

Take Care

[GEM]

Old thread - it has been mentioned elsewhere that stores are sprouting noncompliant 30.06 signs. 1604 and Bandera has one.

I have called the service number to no avail - so they lost my business.

[springmom]

However, these are the recent developments....

Hubster and I were at the Taco Cabana near our church one night after Liturgy. The too-small-lettering 30.06 sign was posted OVER THE DOOR between the kitchen and the register area!!!! No sign at all on the front doors. So we called the number on the sign. As of now, we have talked to the public relations person for the corporation that owns Taco Cabana and the franchise holder for the Houston, Texas area. He stated that he *had* to have those signs because he is required to, since they sell liquor! :scrutiny: Hubster told him he was wrong, and he said, "Sir I am a retired police officer, I KNOW THE LAW!" :what: Hubster politely allowed as to how gee, the law must have changed since you retired because you have it wrong.

The franchise owner vowed to ensure that all entry doors on "his" Taco Cabanas would be posted properly at once. At this point, the two I have gone to (the one down off Beltway 8 north of Hammerly, and the one in Spring on I-45) do indeed now have the doorways posted. Mind you, they are posted with the right wording but too-small print. However, as hubster pointed out, we have now been given verbal notice by an official of the corporation that that they do indeed not want us in their businesses carrying firearms. And verbal notice counts just as much as a proper 30.06, so that's that.

We'd love to see a real boycott of Taco Cabana but from the noses in the air on here about their food, sounds like nobody eats there anyway :uhoh: :uhoh: We have, because during fasting seasons in the Orthodox Church, their black bean tacos were vegan and therefore okay on our list of foods we could eat. I'll miss those.

Springmom

[mrmeval]

If I were there I'd have printed a thousand "Criminals carrying guns welcome" stickers to place near those signs.

[MrMex]

Anyone is SA around the northside ever eat at Las Palapas? Great for the sleepless nights.

[The_Shootist]

...although on galveston around X-mas when my mom was in town she wanted to try one out ao we went. Didn't see any anti-gun signs, 30.06 (why do I always think "rifle" when I see that sign? Guess its better than having a part of the law with a section under AK.47 :evil: ) or otherwise.

Anyways, I always eat at tortuga on the Seawall - best Mexican food in Galveston ....and NO signs to spoil my digestion :D

[CatsDieNow]

Where did you see a sign at the Arlington Mall? I've never seen one there at all.

Been over a year since I have been there, maybe they have taken them down. They were on the mall entrances, not the store entrances. I always went in at what used to be Galyeon's, so it was not a problem.

[No_Brakes23]

Geez, I actually like Taco Cabana, and all you TX fokls are hatin on it. Course I only ate at the one by Hobby in Houston for about a month in early '96, and I was on a construction job, so everything seemed tasty back then. And the concept of getting a beer with TexMex fastfood seemed kinda novel.

Still think it is pretty funny that Texas anti-CCW signs are 30.06 signs. Pretty Ironic.