Rifle carry on bicycle


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kungfuhippie
November 20, 2006, 05:17 PM
I'm day dreaming, it evolved into a question.

Story first, deep breath...

First off I don't really like horses. But my dream is to move outta the PRK and buy some nice wooded/farm land 50-100 acres. I plan on having a cow or 10:D (pets not food) and farm part as well for personal use. I will need to patrol my land on occation for hunting, fence mending, etc. I've had bad expirences with horses so I don't want one. I love mountain biking so would probably either ride my bike or walk. I don't want an ATV or dirt bike for daily use. My fat butt could use the exercise anyway.

How should one carry a rifle on his bike? I would probably use a lever action or semiauto. Maybe a deer rifle too. Over the sholder could be bad with offroad riding, maybe a holder like CHP uses on their motorbikes?

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

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bartsimpson123844
November 20, 2006, 05:50 PM
How about a really snug sling? Would that be sufficient enough?
If I were you, though, I would just get an ATV...:rolleyes:

jesse485
November 20, 2006, 06:02 PM
I recently went to a Honda shop that had an gun rack for basically anything with handlebars. It was made for an ATV, but said it would work on a bike as well. I wish I could remember the company that made the product, but I doubt it would be too awful rare.

de
November 20, 2006, 06:05 PM
My knees are getting worse, and at age 56 I ain't what I was. When I can't ride my four-wheeler, I ride my mountain bike while coyote, deer, ect., hunting. I let the sling out and put the sling over my head like an old fashioned arrow quiver. Works just fine.

Cosmoline
November 20, 2006, 06:13 PM
Carrying a rifle on a bike? That's crazy talk! But as luck would have it, I've done it many times. If you're on your own land and can open carry, then you can simply sling the rifle over your shoulder. That's probably the easiest. If you need more cover from elements or whatnot, there are other solutions. For longer rifles, such as Mosins, I put them in a lined heavy canvas gun sock I got from DGW and waterproofed with wax. I've rigged up a simple sling system that grips the rifle and is redily adjustable:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/Vets1.jpg?t=1164064158

You can also affix the rifle to the back rack, but with smaller racks you might consider a board secured down to give it sufficient surface area:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/rr1.jpg?t=1164064226

For shorter carbines, you can use a backpack scabbard rigged to the basket:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/carb2.jpg?t=1164064279

Or you can simply secure the scabbard to the backpack, and carry it on your back:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/scab.jpg?t=1164064332

If you have a straight framed utility bike, you could rig something up like this (I think that's Jamie Hyneman's great grandfater)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/gmnsldrbik.jpg?t=1164064364

dm1333
November 20, 2006, 06:23 PM
I used to have an ATV rifle mount attached to my mountain bike handle bars because I hunted grouse on my bike. Any motorcycle shop that has ATV accessories should have a set and they should bolt right up to your handle bars. Here in CA I have been using an Uncle Mikes neoprenene sling on my Mossberg while quail hunting. I sling the shotgun across my back and ride with an empty chamber. I use the sling here because the coveys of quail on the coast are small and pretty far apart so what I end up doing is riding till I know I am coming up on a spot where I have seen quail, I stop and lock the bike to a tree, hunt a little, then ride to the next spot.

soul_rapier
November 20, 2006, 06:24 PM
check wartmart they got them here have gun racks for atv like $20 .you would have to do a little work to make it fix a bike's handle bars good luck and dont wreak the bike with a gun on it .

Boats
November 20, 2006, 06:32 PM
I think bicycle troops are what you should emulate as they actually did what you are proposing. Some used panniers with a sort of rifle scabbard. Others used rifles cross-slung across the body as opposed to over the shoulder.

It should be noted that some rifles, particularly milsurps, come with side mounted slings, not the usual bottom located swivels. These slings are harder to use as support, but more comfortable to carry cross-slung, as the rifle lays flat across the back, not digging into it with the butt, trigger guard, magazine, etc.

Ian
November 20, 2006, 07:16 PM
Here's another twist on the idea, from the Boer War:

http://www.goldiproductions.com/images/boer/people_bw/theron_bike2hc.jpg

However, on 50-100 acres, I really don't think you would need a bicycle at all. Eighty acres in a rectangle has a perimeter of about 1.5 miles - not exactly death march.

GRIZ22
November 20, 2006, 07:38 PM
I would think wharever you decide it should be attached to the bicycle and not you. A long gun strapped across your back would provide a fulcrum to injure your spine if you should take a spill. The holders I've seen the military use on dirt bikes attach to the handlebars or front fork.

velojym
November 20, 2006, 08:39 PM
The military does use bicycles now, as they've tested 'em and (finally, after over a hundred years of other countries usin' em... the Viet Cong used 'em to chase off the French, after all)
This photo is an older military bike, with some features you may find interesting.
http://www.pedalinghistory.com/PHmuseum.html
http://www.pedalinghistory.com/Images/PHMil01.jpg
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/montague-military/paraopenlrg.gif
http://www.militarybikes.com

I picked one of these up, and I've been modifying it (new bottom bracket/cranks, seatpost, among other things) to be my bug-home bike, as I'm away all the time and my first priority will be to make it home to my family. I keep my 336 in a smaller case with the buttstock removed, but will want it to be more ready in a
bug-home scenario. I was going to rig a leather scabbard along the maintube, with the butt end protruding a bit past the head tube. This way it won't interfere with the bike handling, and will be (I'll have to test it) fairly accessible.
Of course, a .45 will be kept handy in case I don't have time to draw the rifle.

A bicycle requires no fuel, beyond the food you eat, though I'd suggest you get fit to ride it *now* rather than when you really need it.
I'm not going to put down motorized transport, and I'll drive back as far as possible before I have to break out the bicycle. I can't carry a motorcycle
in the minivan on a daily basis, and as I said, the bike is an 'escape pod' for the car.
I'm still working out saddles and bags. I've been leaning toward a Brooks saddle and something like the big Baggins-type bags. Currently I have a Topeak QR rack/trunk combo, and a smallish front rack/bag I haven't installed yet.
http://static.flickr.com/50/140522023_5780c4ce17.jpg?v=0

jd46561
November 20, 2006, 09:24 PM
Here is a Swiss example...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/jd46561/SchweizerArmeefahrrad640OS.jpg

crunker
November 20, 2006, 09:32 PM
Just sling it across your back.

PAC 762
November 20, 2006, 10:33 PM
I've tossed underfolder AK's into a backpack and riden my motorcycle to the range.

If you need immediate access to a firearm when riding a bike, a suitable sidearm and a lot of practice may be a better choice.

GooseGestapo
November 20, 2006, 10:53 PM
The best way is either a handle bar rack such as the ATV clips horizontal and left-right orientation- easy to set up but likely to be "grabbed by brush", or modify these where the but is on the seat tube and the forward one is on the handle bar tube. (runs horizontal with the top horizontal frame tube) longitudinal to the bikes axis. Less likely to be "grabbed" by a passing limb. My preferred method. Muzzle of weapon is already in the likely direction of use (foward).

A friend of mine regularily hunts from his mountain bike. He is VERY successful with it.

Recommened: Replace the knobby tires with a smooth tread. It will make substantially less noise and allow closer approach without alerting any game.

I used a bike very successfully while on the job to quietly and quickly infiltrate violators very intent on poaching fish. Didn't expect me to so quickly and quietly "emerge" upon them !!!! Another of the many incidents I could and should write a book about.

cmb3366
November 20, 2006, 10:53 PM
When riding an ATV, I just sling it across my back, not over the shoulder. Very secure, and allows you to remain in control of the rifle and manuver it around obstacles and brush which would otherwise scrape and ding it.

kd7nqb
November 20, 2006, 11:20 PM
I agree with the handle bar or the sling idea. But a better idea might be a little carbine. What about the Su-16 or something with a nice folding stock then its much easier.

kungfuhippie
November 21, 2006, 12:11 AM
Wow that's more response than I guessed. I know it's a short distance, but on an occasion where I may just want to get lost on BLM land for an afternoon it would come in handy too. I think the front mounted scabard is the best choice. I've been mountain biking for more than a decade (though I don't look it) and I've crashed enough to know I don't want a wood/metal bar diagonal across my back. I thing the handlebar mounted belt fed MG would be nice too. I'd use it to hunt today's super animals; the electric eel and the flying squirel:neener:

I think I'll be busting out the leather working tools and making a scabard over Christmas break. Try it on some jackrabbits, there's an area I like in the desert where some hot spots are about 4 miles apart and once you disturb one you may as well go to the other... anyone have another odd rifle carry situation?

TimboKhan
November 21, 2006, 12:21 AM
Kungfu,

If Cosmoline wouldn't have posted, I was actually going to refer you to a thread he started a few months back. I actually plan on buying a bike exactly like his at some point! If your interested, it's an Electra Rat-Rod, and it is a really cool bike.

kungfuhippie
November 21, 2006, 12:30 AM
as cool as the electras are...

I'm more of a biking techie dork. I'm that way with computers too.

Guns, cars, other, I like the older stuff...

I love my Specialized FSR as much as my GT Force (road bike, yes it's a little old)

And I've been trying to convince myself to get a nice single speed. (disc brakes and front suspension) I've been a knobby rider all my life and a cruiser isn't my style. I've even had cyclocross tires on the road bike at times.

My gun hobbie has made me cut back on my bike budget, I'd just sell my car but then how would I get to the range, or get a deer home?:neener:

Should I blue the bike to match the gun?

Cosmoline
November 21, 2006, 01:43 AM
I find modern bikes too light and sporty. I like old-school steel bikes. The Rat is pretty good for around town, though it's hard going in choppy terrain. My dream bike is the new Swedish Army bike, with an integral front rack rated to take a 50 lb. ammo box!

http://www.dutchbikes.us/images/bikeshow/17.jpg

Sunray
November 21, 2006, 02:38 AM
Slung on your back where it belongs.

gila_dog
November 21, 2006, 11:11 AM
Here's how I do it. All it takes is a padded rifle case and 2 bungees. I don't like having stuff hanging on my handle bars. Makes it hard to control the bike on rough terrain. I don't like stuff hanging on my back or shoulders either. That raises your center of gravity and makes it easier to wreck. On a bike it's best to keep any extra weight down low.

This way it's safer for you and the rifle, and it's out of the way. Of course you have to stop, get off, un-bungee, and un-case the rifle in order to shoot it.

MCgunner
November 21, 2006, 11:20 AM
I'll keep my little dual purpose 200cc dirt bike, thanks. I'm old and don't WANT the exercise. :D I just sling my rifle over my head/shoulder when I'm out on the bike, not a problem. I also hunt a lot with a contender I carry in an uncle mike's shoulder holster which makes things simpler yet.

Heck, just get a little lever carbine and sling it over your head/shoulder. No need to get too fancy and you'll have it with you when you see that coyote or feral dog pack after a calf.:D

My place is pretty muddy when it is wet. Wouldn't wanna pedal there. The dirt bike is work enough. It also allows me to haul 100 lbs of feed corn to my feeders and haul out the harvest. However, I got an 8 pt this year and had to drag it out on my "deer sleigher" with the bike because I couldn't pick it up on the bike and didn't have any help. But, I'd been on foot with a bicycle, for sure.

And, when you're fencing, you're going to need staples, hammer, fencing pliars, stretcher, wire, posts, etc, etc. You might wanna rethink that ATV thing. :D

benEzra
November 21, 2006, 11:55 AM
This photo is an older military bike, with some features you may find interesting.

http://www.pedalinghistory.com/Images/PHMil01.jpg
Yeah, that handlebar mounted machinegun is interesting. :)

Wouldn't have to worry so much about cars cutting you off, that way... :D

Max Velocity
November 21, 2006, 12:04 PM
A Stevens bicycle rifle.

http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/2919/steven1898me0.jpg

benEzra
November 21, 2006, 12:17 PM
Here's what you need (from another thread):

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=48155&d=1164004076

kungfuhippie
November 21, 2006, 02:03 PM
here's my idea;
http://www.geocities.com/lawnrevenge/gun-bike.JPG
I know it will conflict with the fork a bit, that's why it's still a drawing. I think I'll be making is out of light brown leather (not blue) with some nice tooling work. MAybe a metal subframe so it can just mount to the fork leg. Of course it will be a lot of unspung weight which is bad... I'll make it to fit a lever gun, another reason to get a lever gun. This way I can stop, draw rifle and shoot without even dismounting or taking my eyes off the target.

Does an orange bike count as enough hunter orange?:neener:

What should I line it with to protect the rifle? Leather will wear the finish off quickly...

Cosmoline
November 21, 2006, 02:19 PM
For an example, look at Alaska Sportsman's scabbards:

http://www.alaskasportsmanproducts.com/BackPack.html

I've used these and they're very tough. If you're making something like this from leather, be sure to reinforce the bottom or the rifle barrel will wear through from friction. For lining, sheepskin is the best I know of.

velojym
November 21, 2006, 05:44 PM
Hey, kungfu.
I went the opposite direction insofar as road bikes go. I picked up a Kona Jake-the-Snake and pulled off the Michelin knobblies and installed some
Axial Pros. After a few centuries and many miles with the local club, I'm now
running Panaracer Paselas on that bike. Unfortunately, the bike takes up too much space inside the minivan (which can't have anything noticeable on the outside... nature of my job) so I have the Montague.
As you can see, if you scroll back to my picture post, the folding Paratrooper has one thick-assed frame tube in place of the top-and-down tubes.
My rifle is a Marlin levergun, which is excellent for the purpose, and after much consideration, I'm looking at securing a scabbard parallel to this main tube. It'll protrude a little out front, but that's fine (I'll have a rack up there anyway).
I've put a lot of thought into your fork mount, and the only problem I'd have with that is all the extra weight on the steering assembly, but that's obviously been dealt with in the past with some success and I'd imagine it's more a matter of getting used to it than anything else.
I also considered leaving the rifle home, and relying on my XD. The bike's job, however, is to get me home over a considerable distance, and I'd feel more comfortable if I had a rifle handy, for the long term.
If, for whatever reason, I feel I shouldn't have a rifle on the bike (say, a societal breakdown which leaves a lot of law-enforcement intact) I may break it down and/or find a place to cache it before heading home.
Of course, ya can't do this sort of thing without some support for the bike, too. A Park roll-up toolkit, Topeak Morph pump (thing o' beauty. I didn't have a floor pump for nearly a year after I got my first Morph), tubes, lube, etc.
Then, of course, the Jym-supportin' stuff, like food, water, and such.
The list gets longer, but I'm sure most of you are familiar with the contents of a decent mobile survival kit.
Remember, even if you have a few hundred pounds to haul (for whatever reason), you can walk the bike with the load on it (say, a deer), without much more energy than it'd take to walk under a far smaller load. That's what the VC did in 'nam, and just ask the Frogs how well that worked out.

Keith Wheeler
November 21, 2006, 06:06 PM
I don't have the 50 to 100 acres, only 30. I use a bike for quick dashes around the property, never tried it with a rifle, thanks for giving me something new to try! :) Like others have suggested I think choice of rifle would help. I'd just sling it though. I'm fond of my SBR Uzi for handy carry. It won't do as a deer rifle, but for general defense/fence checking it's fine.

There's a nifty article on wikipedia about "bicycle infantry", has some cool trivia and pictures:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_infantry

Also found a Stevens bicycle rifle on gunsamerica...for nearly $1k. From my quick web search a couple of companies made .22 "bicycle rifles".

velojym
November 21, 2006, 06:19 PM
That'd be a neat collector's item, but I don't guess I'd carry around a thousand dollar .22 on a bicycle much, when I can use something like an AR-7 or my 10/22 with a folding stock. It was a really cool idea, and looked like it was perfect for
kids like me (well, like I was... once) who liked to go places, and to shoot.
Of course, it wouldn't be PC to advertise such an evil item to innocent children.

Rexster
June 2, 2007, 02:52 AM
jd46561, I just got a Swiss milsurp rifle scabbard from a evilbay auction, and it's just like the one in the photo you posted of the Swiss military bicycle. :) Do you have any more info on the bike in the photo?

TheDisturbed1
June 2, 2007, 03:07 AM
to legally ride down to the range, have the rifle slung over your back with muzzle pointing at the ground with magazine detached/empty... right?

I think thats a legal method over here... have yet to try it tho :D

theken206
June 2, 2007, 03:12 AM
"First off I don't really like horses."

lol well why not damn it??;) whats wrong with you??:neener:

pkm
June 2, 2007, 04:36 AM
Bicycles have seen much military use in Finland during the 1941-1944 war
and after that even in UN operations. They are still used in conscript training.
After all they offer low maintenance, decent speed even in poor roads and are very quiet.

Picture from Cyprus 1964 UN peacekeeping operation.

http://www.hel2.fi/kkansl/jugendsali/Nayttelyt/1960/images/5.jpg

Cosmoline
June 2, 2007, 05:28 AM
PKM, do you know what kind of bikes the Finns are using now? IIRC they used Swedish made bikes during the WWII era, but the Swedes have gone over to a hybrid three speed made by Monarch.

dprice3844444
December 19, 2013, 10:13 PM
http://us.yhs4.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=bicycle+gun+racks&hspart=att&hsimp=yhs-att_001&type=att_lego_portal_home just google bicycle gun racks

Quiet
December 19, 2013, 10:30 PM
I'm day dreaming, it evolved into a question.

Story first, deep breath...

First off I don't really like horses. But my dream is to move outta the PRK and buy some nice wooded/farm land 50-100 acres. I plan on having a cow or 10 (pets not food) and farm part as well for personal use. I will need to patrol my land on occation for hunting, fence mending, etc. I've had bad expirences with horses so I don't want one. I love mountain biking so would probably either ride my bike or walk. I don't want an ATV or dirt bike for daily use. My fat butt could use the exercise anyway.

How should one carry a rifle on his bike? I would probably use a lever action or semiauto. Maybe a deer rifle too. Over the sholder could be bad with offroad riding, maybe a holder like CHP uses on their motorbikes?

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

Since you are in CA...

Per CA laws...
The unloaded rifle will need to be in a case.
If the case is designed for a firearm, then the case can be unlocked.
If the case is not designed for a firearm, then the case needs to be locked.

Quiet
December 19, 2013, 10:32 PM
How the Swiss legally carry machineguns (SIG SG-550) on a bicycle.
http://id.glock.com/assets/feed-posts/full-6055-9286647-swiss2.jpg

Float Pilot
December 19, 2013, 11:17 PM
When I was a kid we did it all the time by strapping our 22s to the frame.
One of my shirt-tail cousins in Germany sells the electro boosted bikes . Those are pretty cool, even for an old guy like me.

BTW: I tried pet livestock... eventually after lots and lots of work and money, they start to look tasty...

barnbwt
December 19, 2013, 11:55 PM
http://freeflowmtb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/swiss-arm-bike-anti-tank.jpg
Those STGWs are really long guns, btw :D. I'm guessing it was slung. Imagine biking all that stuff up and down the freaking Alps all day :barf:

TCB

oldpapps
December 20, 2013, 10:59 AM
I'm jealous.
I've got a 4-wheeler and can't get around more than 1/3 of my lands perimeter, total. Flat-landers.... bicycle or trail bike, powered or not, too much up and down and those d@&N thorn trees. I just walk it, take a bit but I enjoy the wandering. Always looking for those piggies :)

O-neg
December 20, 2013, 03:28 PM
In Wisconsin because a bike has no motor, you can ride the forest trails with your gun loaded and slung or in a scabbard. On paved roads you have to be unloaded but do not have to be cased.

I small game hunt and sometimes deer hunt from my mountain bike. Its nice and quiet and you see more game.

Palehorseman
December 20, 2013, 03:35 PM
I made this rig up last year. So long as under 1hp and can't do over 20mph, it is street legal without insurance, title, driverís license or plate in AZ. The 3 wheeler is a Schwinn Meridian, a 34cc Honda 4-stroke for power, the reduction gearing was calculated to handle any of the hills around here. Wife and I have ATVs, but this rig is just plain fun. The LED running lights and turn signals are my design, a small 12v lead acid battery is charged by a 6 watt, 12v, wheel driven generator, over 125 mpg.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TANSTAAFL-2/P1010512.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/TANSTAAFL-2/media/P1010512.jpg.html)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TANSTAAFL-2/P1010519.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/TANSTAAFL-2/media/P1010519.jpg.html)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/TANSTAAFL-2/P1010515.jpg (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/TANSTAAFL-2/media/P1010515.jpg.html)

johnnydollar
December 20, 2013, 07:34 PM
Keep the rifle away from your body in case of a crash (even crashing with a concealed pistol on the belt HURTS--ask me how I know), and away from the bike to prevent it from getting fouled up in the drivetrain and/or handlebars. How? A trailer! Take a look at the BOB models for mountain bikes. I've hauled a pair of rifles 15 miles round trip with a bicycle and a trailer.

mac66
December 20, 2013, 07:41 PM
Those nylon rifle/shotgun scabbards are inexpensive and have molle straps on them to attach to just about anything. I put one on the front fork of an old Honda Trail 90 with velcro straps. No reason why that wouldn't work on a bicycle.

FinnComm
December 21, 2013, 01:41 AM
Just read an article on this very subject in a Finnish hunting magazine this morning. The company with the kit:

http://www.cogburnoutdoors.com/

(see pic of rifle on a bicycle on the first page)

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