Glock has got a shorter trigger reset than XD


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combatantr2
November 21, 2006, 08:21 AM
Ive heard reviews and comments that GLOCK has got a shorter trigger reset than that of XD, how come? I thought XDs are single actions? Now my definition of a single action - is a short trigger reset just like the 1911s. Being an avid 1911 fanatic Im also wanting to expand to polymer and I thought XDs are great, especially the XD45. But my transition to trigger pull must not be too alien from the 1911. So how come glocks have a shorter reset? Its not single action, its not even DAO, but more of a chopped DAO version.

Everyones thoughts appreciated.

Thanks.

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Lennyjoe
November 21, 2006, 12:46 PM
Ive noticed that the reset was not only shorter but there was no slack in between the pull before you hit the wall so to speak with a Glock. Unlike the XD (my son as the XD-9), the Glock will reset and be right up against the wall for the next shot. The XD, after reset, has a bit of travel until it hits the wall.

For that reason, I like the Glock trigger much better than the XD.

Hope this helped.

mmike87
November 21, 2006, 12:47 PM
Few guns out of box can match the Glock's trigger reset. I'd have one if the grip angle didn't suck so badly for me.

rich52us
November 21, 2006, 01:37 PM
Now my definition of a single action - is a short trigger reset just like the 1911s.

"Single action" refers to what functions the trigger will perform. A true single action will only fire the weapon when pulled. A true double action will cock and fire the weapon. Therefore, a true DA semi-auto has a double strike capability if the primer doesn't go off. Glock is somewhere in between because pulling the trigger finishes cocking the partially cocked stricker (firing pin) and fires the weapon (no double strike).

Anyway, trigger re-set is a seperate issue.

Owen
November 21, 2006, 02:35 PM
The grip angle on a Glock is easy to fix.

1.) buy 50 rounds of ammo.
2.) shoot it
3.) buy 50 more rounds of ammo
4.) shoot it....

After 250 rounds or so, you shouldn't be having any problems. There is nothing natural about shooting a gun. Steep grip angles also have some some ergonomic benefits that the 11 degree grip angle don't have.

GunNut
November 21, 2006, 03:13 PM
Owen,

I agree, the grip angle is very easy to adjust to. The only problem is that once you get adjusted to the Glock grip angle, other guns will now not point naturally for you.


One of these days I will take the time to actually use the short reset of my Glock's to my advantage. Lately I've been working a bit on trigger control and becoming more accurate, next will come speed.

Steve

ugaarguy
November 21, 2006, 04:26 PM
The grip angle on a Glock is easy to fix.

1.) buy 50 rounds of ammo.
2.) shoot it
3.) buy 50 more rounds of ammo
4.) shoot it....

After 250 rounds or so, you shouldn't be having any problems. There is nothing natural about shooting a gun. Steep grip angles also have some some ergonomic benefits that the 11 degree grip angle don't have.

Owen, with all respect, I'm calling BS. Shooting a gun a bunch to learn how to compensate doesn't "fix" anything it teaches you to compensate :neener: . By the way, several hundred rounds thru a G22 never "fixed" the grip angle for me - I sold it and have bought other guns that point naturally for me. For some folks the Glock grip angle does point naturally. For others even the Luger grip angle points naturally. For others yet, gun X, Y, or Z's grip angle points naturally for them. All I' saying is that there are so many good guns on the market there's no reason to have to compensate. Find a gun that points naturally for you in the first place and get that. I've become a firm believer in gun fit because it's helped me so much in my shooting - which went from crappy to mediocre with guns that fit me better. Then they deployed to the sandbox so no range time for me now. :banghead: I can't wait to get home and go shooting.

isp2605
November 21, 2006, 07:24 PM
, a true DA semi-auto has a double strike capability if the primer doesn't go off.
Not so. Double strike is just another feature and has nothing to do with if a firearm is DA or not. There are a lot of other DAO guns out there, like S&W, that require a pre-set for them to fire DA. There are DA guns that are double strike capable and DA guns that are not double strike capable. It's just a feature one way or the other but has nothing to do with DA functionality.

Whirlwind06
November 22, 2006, 01:45 PM
After reading this thread last night I dry fired my XD a bit, and the reset is pretty short. No more then a 1/8 of a inch or so. The trigger does not need to go all the way forward. I don't own a Glock to compare it to. But doesn't seem like it is that big of a deal. It is not like a DAO pistol / revolver that needs to go all the way forward to reset.

PO2Hammer
November 22, 2006, 02:39 PM
After firing Glocks and 1911s, I find myself short stroking my Sig's trigger, but not the XD's.

Dollar An Hour
November 22, 2006, 03:39 PM
Walther P99's reset is right there with Glock - short & crisp! In fact, my P99c's trigger spoiled me to where my Sigs DA/SA trigger reset seems painfully long, and detracts from shooting enjoyment.

S&W 3rd Gen pistols also have a nice reset. :cool:

XDKingslayer
November 22, 2006, 03:58 PM
I don't understand why people consider trigger performance as a buying decision. It's something that is easily changed/adjusted to the users preference.

Lennyjoe
November 22, 2006, 05:14 PM
I agree, the grip angle is very easy to adjust to. The only problem is that once you get adjusted to the Glock grip angle, other guns will now not point naturally for you
I must be one of the lucky ones cause I can shoot my Glock, BHP, Springer, Kimber and Rugers the same. ;)

CDH
November 22, 2006, 09:59 PM
While I like my XD's trigger(s) just as they are, it's a simple thing to ship it back to the Springfield Custom Shop where they offer the simple service of shortening the XD trigger stroke to either a competition (only) configuration, or a shorter but still safe trigger for defensive carry.

It's just a personal preference that can be easily and safely modified by Springfield.

tlhelmer
November 23, 2006, 10:37 AM
I prefer the Glock trigger over my XD's, but the XD is a great gun. Especially in .45. My XD45 is as thin as glock 17/22/31

wally
November 24, 2006, 02:15 PM
Few guns out of box can match the Glock's trigger reset.

True enough but no other "quality" gun has such a mushy trigger break.

The 1911 rules for crispness of break and short reset. I'll always choose crisper break over faster reset because if the first shot is good, you hopefully will not need the followup! Some famous pistolero once said "you can't miss fast enough to win" :)

--wally.

10-Ring
November 24, 2006, 02:45 PM
Once you dedicate yourself & put the trigger time into mastering the Glock trigger, it becomes very easy to use & use quickly.

possum
November 24, 2006, 06:24 PM
i don't mind the glock trigger and though my 19 has the 3.5lb trigger, i still like the feel of my xd service model better which is stock, and has done nothing but gotten better with time.

Owen
November 24, 2006, 07:10 PM
ugaar said...
Owen, with all respect, I'm calling BS. Shooting a gun a bunch to learn how to compensate doesn't "fix" anything it teaches you to compensate . By the way, several hundred rounds thru a G22 never "fixed" the grip angle for me

I'm going to break this off into another thread...

shooter71
November 24, 2006, 08:33 PM
all the info on triggers youll prb ever need and then some

http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/www.Pete-357.com/xddasa.htm

Stevie-Ray
November 26, 2006, 01:39 AM
I agree, the grip angle is very easy to adjust to. The only problem is that once you get adjusted to the Glock grip angle, other guns will now not point naturally for you.
Hmmm........I've never noticed this, and I take all my CWs to the range with me. Kimber UCDP, G26, H&K USP45C, KelTec P-32, usually in that order, and I shoot rather well with them all the time.

Is it just that mine is a 26?

GunNut
November 26, 2006, 01:44 AM
Hmmm........I've never noticed this, and I take all my CWs to the range with me. Kimber UCDP, G26, H&K USP45C, KelTec P-32, usually in that order, and I shoot rather well with them all the time.

Is it just that mine is a 26?

Yes, the G26 size guns really don't have much of a grip anyways. So yes, I think its more you gun.

Having said that most guns point fine for me too, but when I pick up some guns i've got to physically adjust them from pointing high or low.

Steve

dstorm1911
November 26, 2006, 10:50 AM
XD ALL THE WAY!! especially if your accustomed to 1911s, the trigger is an easy fix if ya don't like it, I've retuned my reset, pretravel and stop to exactly match my 1911s on all of my XDs, ya simply cannot do that with a Glock due to the Glocks partially cocked trigger, the XD is a true single action, secondly and more importantly the grip angle of the XD is exactly the same as the 1911 makes transition to polymere that much easier. The XD has a hammer forged barrel with fully supported chamber that rivals many match grade barrels right outa the box.

want custom sights? The XD uses the same sights as Sigs so there are ALOT of options. Want durability? The Glock was designed to meet POLICE issue specs and it does so nicly........ The XD was designed to meet MILITARY issue requirements from the beginning as the Croations needed a super durable ultra reliable sidearm for their military forces, in case ya've never seen any of the AK47s or other weapons that came outa Croatia following the Croation/Serbian war........ they are extremally hard on their guns, much tougher on em than we are in the USA and far much harder on em than the POLICE officers in Austria that the Glock was designed for.

I was a diehard 1911 fan untill I got the first 5" tactical .40 XD (the .45 hadn't come out at that time, I got one of the first tacs that hit Az) that gun actually gets more use than the XD .45 that later followed it home the really nice thing is I can load for minor or major in the same gun, I load 155 grn Hornandy XTPs to the exact same POI as my 180 grn XTPS and my cast bullets in each weight are also loaded to the exact same point POI, one gun just swap mags and change classes!!

I now have the entire XD lineup, sold off my Glocks except one M17 that just sits in my collection to at least represent Glock (I have quite an extensive gun collection and the glocks are the ONLY guns I've ever sold from it) Glocks just really don't do it for me the grip angle is just wrong, the lockwork... its just no comparison to the super simple single action plus the XD has the extra grip safty that ya will never even notice if ya shoot 1911s but it sure is handy when something like a holster strap or shirt etc.. gets into your trigger gaurd with the glock....... BANG the XD.... nothing the grip safty wasn't depressed as well...

Still 2 Many Choices!?
November 26, 2006, 04:48 PM
They are true single action pistols along the lines of the 1911, and not held at half-cock? Well then I see why grip safety makes people feel better. I only have one small qualm about the end of your post DSSTORM1911. The grip safety does not mean you get a free pass on safely handling your weapon. You give two examples of how the grip safety MIGHT prevent a ND/AD, BUT conveniently leave out the fact that it still won't stop an ND/AD if you are not paying attention. Let's say you are holstering your weapon(I assume most people actually hold/grip their firearm while doing this), and that same strap(or your shirt) gets into the trigger guard, what happens then? BANG!!!:eek: :confused: :uhoh: !!! I hope you see the point I am trying to make...

Still 2 Many Choices!?

mmike87
November 26, 2006, 07:16 PM
it still won't stop an ND/AD if you are not paying attention.

True. But nothing will stop a ND if you're not paying attention!

Redneck with a 40
November 26, 2006, 07:21 PM
My response to the trigger reset issue is....so what!:p I seriously doubt its going to make much difference in the real world.

HSMITH
November 26, 2006, 11:49 PM
The simple truth is that it doesn't matter one bit how long the reset distance is. If you are riding the trigger and feeling for a reset you missed the bus. Reset is all done in recoil and even with a DAO like a Smith or Beretta can be done in very small parts of a second. It should take no more than a tenth and a half of a second to touch the front of the trigger guard and prep the trigger for the next shot, .20 seconds shot to shot won't be very hard with good trigger control.

We worry about lots of things that just don't matter. Makes the hobby more interesting I suppose, and gives us different things to talk about.

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